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On May 12 2015 02:52 Vivax wrote:
On my read so far I also had the feeling JAT was mafia but I really had nothing I could justify it with. On the other hand lots of people seem to think the same but I will need to find something tangible on my own.
The nuke business was pretty interesting. Trfel was in the scummish list of BH during N0 and D1 BH didn't really bother to even figure his alignment out before deciding the anti-nuke. He only asked a question but doesn't seem puzzled about whether he should use it or not.
If Trfel and BH are both scum, it's obviously a must-do to just prevent it. Them both being scum makes sense. If BH is scum and Trfel town, then it doesn't make much sense to prevent it (better save it for a teammate). It only makes sense if he has lots of uses for it and he doesn't need to worry about wasting it. If BH is town, it *somewhat* makes sense to immediately use it (considering the random way BM went about using the nuke) but it's still quite weird to just use it so easily.
All in all I think the most sensible explanations are BH+Trfel being scum or BH being scum and Trfel being town, but BH having enough uses of the ability to afford using it on a townie.
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Well the main point was that it makes more sense for BH to be scum either way, it's not necessarily very indicative of Trfel's alignment.
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Hm I guess if BH was town and had tons of uses for it, it might make sense to just shoot down a badly planned nuke. I still think it would make far sense for town BH to wait a bit and see if anything interesting comes out of it / Trfel actually just wasn't scum being shot.
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On May 12 2015 03:12 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 01:58 Half the Sky wrote:15/60 Pfff, you ninjaed me BM. On May 12 2015 01:51 Bill Murray wrote:
I realize now what you meant but I guess I misread it before
and the differentiation between the lurkers is because Trfel is obviously mafia to me this game
if my nuke doesnt land on him im going to vote him. I am admittedly a little behind this game and need to catch up Alright, so you still think Trfel is the way to go then. Do you think anything he HAS posted is screaming scum? Second part of this post aimed at Damdred - On May 12 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote:
Can we not policy lynch vivax today XD maybe a day vig could just take him out lol.
I agree roughly that the pregame where BM gave his posts up and didn't do much is kinda meh. It helped me immensely at that juncture though. As such the excuse that BM used to fire the nuke isn't necessarily the least believable thing I've ever read. It's based on meta yes but I didn't feel it was horrible, it could of led to some really useful information and its a pity that it didn't. (10) I explained prior that BH's anti-nuke could be town or mafia motivated. Where do you stand on this (given the bolded statement)? Theres really not much to say? I think it was dumb of BH but I don't think him being dumb is really indicative... Anyway I actually like Yamato at this point, hes not useless per scum game. He seems to have actual thoughs behind what hes posting, I think he is an ok town lean presently. RS can you give me something to work with? Xata, I agree with you that LS still is scummy and that post is a good example. However, you used the post count restrictions the last time I caught you as well </3. Tell me what you think of Jat, Palmar and Marv. (11?)
Hehee. It also works well as an excuse precisely because it's true
Don't really know Palmar that well. He's been pretty light-toned and active from what I saw so maybe a slight town lean?
I think jat was more proactively leading discussion in the other game (Ippo). So far he's seemed a bit too nitpicky and reactive to my liking... Might be scum, I guess. We'll see.
I've had little success reading marv in the past. Last game (Ippo) I also thought he seemed a bit disinterested / detached, but he was town all the same. I'd strongly oppose lynching him D1 just based on some vague feeling when he has the potential to almost single-handedly figure the game out.
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Maybe we just need to policy BM out of the way haha...
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Otherwise I'm mostly considering LS and BH at the moment.
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Is it usual for there to be fake nukes? I don't think there were any in the only nuke game I played ages ago. There's also nothing like that in the OP.
Various countries with nukes or antinukes. Nukes arrive at end of cycle.
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On May 12 2015 03:31 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 03:22 Xatalos wrote:On May 12 2015 03:12 Damdred wrote:On May 12 2015 01:58 Half the Sky wrote:15/60 Pfff, you ninjaed me BM. On May 12 2015 01:51 Bill Murray wrote:
I realize now what you meant but I guess I misread it before
and the differentiation between the lurkers is because Trfel is obviously mafia to me this game
if my nuke doesnt land on him im going to vote him. I am admittedly a little behind this game and need to catch up Alright, so you still think Trfel is the way to go then. Do you think anything he HAS posted is screaming scum? Second part of this post aimed at Damdred - On May 12 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote:
Can we not policy lynch vivax today XD maybe a day vig could just take him out lol.
I agree roughly that the pregame where BM gave his posts up and didn't do much is kinda meh. It helped me immensely at that juncture though. As such the excuse that BM used to fire the nuke isn't necessarily the least believable thing I've ever read. It's based on meta yes but I didn't feel it was horrible, it could of led to some really useful information and its a pity that it didn't. (10) I explained prior that BH's anti-nuke could be town or mafia motivated. Where do you stand on this (given the bolded statement)? Theres really not much to say? I think it was dumb of BH but I don't think him being dumb is really indicative... Anyway I actually like Yamato at this point, hes not useless per scum game. He seems to have actual thoughs behind what hes posting, I think he is an ok town lean presently. RS can you give me something to work with? Xata, I agree with you that LS still is scummy and that post is a good example. However, you used the post count restrictions the last time I caught you as well </3. Tell me what you think of Jat, Palmar and Marv. (11?) Hehee. It also works well as an excuse precisely because it's true Don't really know Palmar that well. He's been pretty light-toned and active from what I saw so maybe a slight town lean? I think jat was more proactively leading discussion in the other game (Ippo). So far he's seemed a bit too nitpicky and reactive to my liking... Might be scum, I guess. We'll see. I've had little success reading marv in the past. Last game (Ippo) I also thought he seemed a bit disinterested / detached, but he was town all the same. I'd strongly oppose lynching him D1 just based on some vague feeling when he has the potential to almost single-handedly figure the game out. Ok so aside from those three where are the rest of your reads to the actives in the game at least?
Let's see.......
Not sure about rsoultin. I think someone said it well when they said "reading her posts gives me brain cancer". She seemed somewhat similar to the other game (Ippo) though so maybe town?
sandroba I think is probably town. He was just abysmal in the other game (Ippo) as scum and he seems to have put in plenty of effort here. The difference is so big that I'd even go as far as call him strongly town for now.
Trfel gave me some of the same uncomfortable feeling as LS (fluffy posts and questions etc.), but less severely. Might be worth looking into but I think LS would be a better lynch atm.
You feel somewhat towny so far being pretty "sharp" and focused (I mean for example focusing on me like that and not in a way to push a mislynch, felt more like actually interested in my alignment). Town for now I guess.
KSC has been pushing stuff pretty aggressively so maybe a town lean?
If I didn't mention someone it's probably null or nothing special just happened to come to mind.
Left Vivax and TD off specifically because I'll need to look into their filters next.
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Well the only stronger reads I have so far are a scumread on LS, a townread on sandroba and a townread on Damdred. Can't say something is strong if it simply isn't.
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Could lynch Vivax so far. He hasn't done much and what he's done is sheeping thread sentiment on myself and randomly scumreading Damdred for a pretty far-fetched reason. Both targets for suspicion-spreading are probably town. I think his scum meta was being useless which fits here well enough.
Not really sold on TD. I think his reads seem decent enough and he's put in some effort. How exactly is he "blending in" or something?
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On May 12 2015 04:01 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 03:57 Bill Murray wrote:
I guess I'm just going to keep my vote on Vivax. I was the first to call him out on not posting for 3 days and what he has done since coming back has been 2nd worse in the entire thread
I realize my play this game has been shit and put an easy target on my back for the mafia
I'd like to point out that Onegu is clearly anti town too if you want to look into that ok, I think we can leave the nuke discussion for now, BM is either mafia or an idiot so probably going to lynch him but don't need to discuss it. does anyone have thoughts on Obi, Oats and Bats? they're in the game and posted a bit but no one has really bothered to give a read on them
Well I guess those three would fit the bill of "blending in" better than TD Dunno... Pretty null IMO. Did you have something specific in mind?
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Oh yeah...
##Vote LightningStrike
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On May 12 2015 04:06 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 04:00 Xatalos wrote:
Could lynch Vivax so far. He hasn't done much and what he's done is sheeping thread sentiment on myself and randomly scumreading Damdred for a pretty far-fetched reason. Both targets for suspicion-spreading are probably town. I think his scum meta was being useless which fits here well enough.
Not really sold on TD. I think his reads seem decent enough and he's put in some effort. How exactly is he "blending in" or something? If every time a town lynches mafia, they followed thread sentiment.
Every time a scum mislynches town, they followed thread sentiment.
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On May 12 2015 04:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Seriously Xata you got a scumread on me yet you never interacted with me like come on dude entertain me -_-
@Vivax: Can I get your reads and thoughts so far?
Could you give your current reads in a readable manner, preferably focusing on the stronger reads?
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On May 12 2015 04:22 Damdred wrote:
Xatalos could you give your full TD read now, I think you skipped it to this point ya?
Something specific about him? I said earlier that he looked fine from the quality of his reads and for putting in some effort. I think there was a case against him somewhere but I can't remember being particularly impressed by it. Could someone make a summary of what makes him scum?
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On May 12 2015 04:25 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 04:17 Xatalos wrote:On May 12 2015 04:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Seriously Xata you got a scumread on me yet you never interacted with me like come on dude entertain me -_-
@Vivax: Can I get your reads and thoughts so far? Could you give your current reads in a readable manner, preferably focusing on the stronger reads? I got HTS as town she seems to try to get discussion going and not afraid of interacting with others plus her opening was very similar to her opening in the latest Titanic game when she was town. I got KSC as he trying to interact with others trying to give his thoughts and stuff and haven't been blue hunting like the time I ran into him when he was scum (Carol). I got Sandroba as town he actually had some good analyses early on that was insightful and isn't afraid of giving people a piece of his own mind. I got rsoultin (tina) as town even though she was being a pain in the butt (which I don't blame her because of Damdred being a pain in the butt towards her) she actually got some decent content. Vivax is my strongest scumread he haven't really posted much and not being crazy like I normally would expect from him when he's town.
Could you clarify how you read Vivax? I don't remember playing with him when he's town (probably have but forgot). I think I've played with him when he was scum two times and both times he spread some random suspicion and was overall quite lazy/useless, especially later on.
I kind of liked your post after this one where you explained your read on jat. It felt like you were actually considering his alignment.
Gotta go to sleep soon but I'll consider alternative lynches when I get back to reading.
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On May 12 2015 05:58 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 05:54 Xatalos wrote:On May 12 2015 04:25 LightningStrike wrote:On May 12 2015 04:17 Xatalos wrote:On May 12 2015 04:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Seriously Xata you got a scumread on me yet you never interacted with me like come on dude entertain me -_-
@Vivax: Can I get your reads and thoughts so far? Could you give your current reads in a readable manner, preferably focusing on the stronger reads? I got HTS as town she seems to try to get discussion going and not afraid of interacting with others plus her opening was very similar to her opening in the latest Titanic game when she was town. I got KSC as he trying to interact with others trying to give his thoughts and stuff and haven't been blue hunting like the time I ran into him when he was scum (Carol). I got Sandroba as town he actually had some good analyses early on that was insightful and isn't afraid of giving people a piece of his own mind. I got rsoultin (tina) as town even though she was being a pain in the butt (which I don't blame her because of Damdred being a pain in the butt towards her) she actually got some decent content. Vivax is my strongest scumread he haven't really posted much and not being crazy like I normally would expect from him when he's town. Could you clarify how you read Vivax? I don't remember playing with him when he's town (probably have but forgot). I think I've played with him when he was scum two times and both times he spread some random suspicion and was overall quite lazy/useless, especially later on. I kind of liked your post after this one where you explained your read on jat. It felt like you were actually considering his alignment. Gotta go to sleep soon but I'll consider alternative lynches when I get back to reading. Vivax as town is usually calls everyone scum at one point or another and actually engage people with somewhat reasonable manner till later in the game. As scum he's much lazier and loves to bus. You had played with Town Vivax in Carol 
Could be, can't remember him from there. Probably because the game was so short (I think it was the game where I was busted D1 and the game ended in a draw because of host failure or something)
Tbh he's kind of been calling people scum so far. Not sure if that metric is so accurate.
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Back. Sorry about the long AFK streak but I simply haven't been able to catch up for a while and even now I missed an IRL event just to get some time to read these games.
I still can't get quite over LS. Just as I yesterday thought that I might have misjudged him when he went on talking about meta reads etc., he posted this:
On May 12 2015 13:47 LightningStrike wrote:
Hello guys I had caught up and people are now wanting to policy lynch BM even though I think he's town for the fact he's to trigger happy to be scum with his nuke o.o Also people are suspecting Xata(His filter looked okay but I can be convinced that he's scum if someone can case him pretty good) now too along with Oats(He seems lazier than Office Mini and Void when he was lazy town) plus BH(Which I kinda agree with some of the thoughts from others about BH regarding his content regardless of his power). rsoultin is getting extremely angry at Onegu since Onegu is being a pain in the butt to her... Also GB looks very townie atm and I pretty sure he will catch scum very fast like he did in Carol :O
@KSC: Yes I actually do have High Functioning Autism I did tell you that I think in our latest game together when you or someone joked around using Autism as a insult -_-
@Bill Murray: Don't feel discouraged man I believe you are town and I want you to prove to everyone how you are town!
It's... just... so sheepish/inconclusive. Like he's wanting to make friends and blend in rather than to progress the game.
Dunno what rsoultin was going on about with the "conveniently forgot about Carol" or something. First I was a townread and suddenly scum for some nonexistent reason when people started doubting me? Frankly I can't remember most of my games too well and I only remember something like trying to antagonize marv, slipping in PM's and getting lunched in that game. I think jat was also in my team but that's about it. rsoultin might as well be scum for that rather convenient read progression.
I don't think sandroba's lack of reaction to specific events really makes him scum. Did you see his last scumgame Palmar? It was abysmal. He's clearly trying here so that's enough to make me think he's not scum for now.
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