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##vote: ritoky
I know its post-game, but I still think he's mafia with the crap he was pulling earlier tbh. Horrible reasoning.
On May 11 2015 05:13 The Shining wrote:
I'm gonna get no cred for that association case, huh? SOMEONE FEED MY EGO.
Which specific association case, out of interest? Linky, I'll feed your ego if I can read it and its good. 
y0su you just got really unlucky tbh. Especially with prpl who did pretty much literally nothing for you. Nice try though; I'd definitely try again because I don't think its normal to have someone so totally inactive that doesn't actually get replaced. >_>
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On May 11 2015 05:21 Half the Sky wrote:
Celestial gets an award for the craziest tunnel: scumreading ritoky post-game.
If I am ever in a game with him again I am literally 100% voting him day 1 for lynch and every subsequent day until he dies. His townplay here just resulted in confusion. >_>
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On May 11 2015 05:23 ritoky wrote:
-c- donkeyed it up :D
Go screw yourself.
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Also note that I had red reads on two of three mafia Night 1 and helped force through a correct lynch D2.
But sure, I'm terrible at this. Oh lol.
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On May 11 2015 05:22 y0su wrote:
It didn't help that BH (coach) had a very different schedule (time zones). I came into d1 completely cold (hence so many "how does this work? What's going on? questions)
That's pretty unfortunate. :-\
Worked out not too bad though. Look at it this way: you managed to be the last surviving mafia on your team in your first game. That definitely counts for something. 
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On May 11 2015 05:26 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 05:24 -Celestial- wrote:On May 11 2015 05:23 ritoky wrote:
-c- donkeyed it up :D Go screw yourself. it's a game dude, don't take things personally or you won't survive in mafia.
I take things personally when you start insulting me. So yeah.
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Damn, looking at the obs QT, scott31337 got pretty close there with even his very first read of disformation / prplhz / studders.
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On May 11 2015 05:29 ritoky wrote:
Never once insulted you. I will maintain this until the end of time. No mod contacted me about my play. Everything I stated was a direct relation to your play and nothing about you.
I'm not surprised. I didn't end up actually complaining to anyone about it.
You did insult me. It was a direct insult. And its amusing you have a go at my play when you did absolutely nothing to help town this game.
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On May 11 2015 05:29 The Shining wrote:Lmao @ Cel. But I won't lie, ritoky and yosu went back and forth like 50x in my mind. And it's nothing special but this one hereI wanted feedback on it so badly cuz I rarely do full blown posts like that and I want to know what to work on.
Your link is broken, but I found it anyway, heh.
Was a good case. Personally I hadn't liked the way he split up his reads across two posts either. Especially given the way one half of them was pretty town and the other half pretty scum.
As for how to improve it...personally for me I'd have preferred to see it formatted a bit differently. Each quote with a comment specific to that quote underneath so it was easier to follow. As it was it was kinda "Bleh, wall of quotes" "Bleh wall of texts" and honestly the very first time I saw it I just skimmed before going back later when I was firming up my PoE list.
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On May 11 2015 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:
But Celestial, I'll be very honest with you here...this batch of veterans are normally very tame. Criticism of gameplay is the normal in mafia, even with town/town interactions - a really good scum player will know how to get into people's heads, and I've seen it before with some of the heavier tone players like geript/rayn/holyflare/JAT, etc.
It's honestly something you (and even I to an extent) need to work on. Even as town, you're not going to be perfect overnight.
Not sure what you're getting at here.
Put bluntly if I'm actively casing someone and THEIR response to that (not somebody else's response, note) is to throw insults at me you can be damned sure I'm scumming them hard for it. I value logical arguments against the points I'm making; I'm a qualified scientist after all, using evidence and logic to refute something is kinda the entirety of the job (and being unable to refute something makes it a result, rather like mafia in that respect, hence how I played this game).
Throwing insults simply looks like a temper-tantrum attempt to undermine the points without actually addressing them, which is a scum move. Hence my gigantic post on ritoky's entire filter to beat him over the head with it and try and actually get some logical argument out of him instead of the "lol, but I'm town" thing. Which he never did. Note that nobody else was actually questioning my read on him, only he was, and that questioning amounted to nothing more than insults and "lol I'm town, srsly". Which is why I'm somewhat sarcastically still scumreading him post-game.
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On May 11 2015 05:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Why the hell did prp claim Doctor instead of a role that wasn't in the game??? lololol
Setup was fixed to Cop/Doc, Cop/Vet, Vig/Doc or Vig/Vet.
Anything he would have claimed would have been CCd. Unless you mean something else?
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On May 11 2015 06:01 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 05:57 -Celestial- wrote:On May 11 2015 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:
But Celestial, I'll be very honest with you here...this batch of veterans are normally very tame. Criticism of gameplay is the normal in mafia, even with town/town interactions - a really good scum player will know how to get into people's heads, and I've seen it before with some of the heavier tone players like geript/rayn/holyflare/JAT, etc.
It's honestly something you (and even I to an extent) need to work on. Even as town, you're not going to be perfect overnight.
Not sure what you're getting at here. Put bluntly if I'm actively casing someone and THEIR response to that (not somebody else's response, note) is to throw insults at me you can be damned sure I'm scumming them hard for it. I value logical arguments against the points I'm making; I'm a qualified scientist after all, using evidence and logic to refute something is kinda the entirety of the job (and being unable to refute something makes it a result, rather like mafia in that respect, hence how I played this game). Throwing insults simply looks like a temper-tantrum attempt to undermine the points without actually addressing them, which is a scum move. Hence my gigantic post on ritoky's entire filter to beat him over the head with it and try and actually get some logical argument out of him instead of the "lol, but I'm town" thing. Which he never did. Note that nobody else was actually questioning my read on him, only he was, and that questioning amounted to nothing more than insults and "lol I'm town, srsly". Which is why I'm somewhat sarcastically still scumreading him post-game. lol you'll find that being rational is not a requirement to play mafia or to be town ^^ i had trouble with it too when i first started playing
One would hope that in a game of logic that rationality would be a thing. But I guess maybe I'm expecting a bit much. X-D
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On May 11 2015 06:12 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 06:02 -Celestial- wrote:On May 11 2015 05:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Why the hell did prp claim Doctor instead of a role that wasn't in the game??? lololol Setup was fixed to Cop/Doc, Cop/Vet, Vig/Doc or Vig/Vet. Anything he would have claimed would have been CCd. Unless you mean something else? Yeah gb meant why didnt he claim cop or vet, since they knew we had a doc/vig
I mean I GUESS they might have been able to sneak it by an inattentive blue player? Dunno. *shrug*
Was still a desperate play on prpl's part.
On May 11 2015 06:14 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 06:05 -Celestial- wrote:On May 11 2015 06:01 rsoultin wrote:On May 11 2015 05:57 -Celestial- wrote:On May 11 2015 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:
But Celestial, I'll be very honest with you here...this batch of veterans are normally very tame. Criticism of gameplay is the normal in mafia, even with town/town interactions - a really good scum player will know how to get into people's heads, and I've seen it before with some of the heavier tone players like geript/rayn/holyflare/JAT, etc.
It's honestly something you (and even I to an extent) need to work on. Even as town, you're not going to be perfect overnight.
Not sure what you're getting at here. Put bluntly if I'm actively casing someone and THEIR response to that (not somebody else's response, note) is to throw insults at me you can be damned sure I'm scumming them hard for it. I value logical arguments against the points I'm making; I'm a qualified scientist after all, using evidence and logic to refute something is kinda the entirety of the job (and being unable to refute something makes it a result, rather like mafia in that respect, hence how I played this game). Throwing insults simply looks like a temper-tantrum attempt to undermine the points without actually addressing them, which is a scum move. Hence my gigantic post on ritoky's entire filter to beat him over the head with it and try and actually get some logical argument out of him instead of the "lol, but I'm town" thing. Which he never did. Note that nobody else was actually questioning my read on him, only he was, and that questioning amounted to nothing more than insults and "lol I'm town, srsly". Which is why I'm somewhat sarcastically still scumreading him post-game. lol you'll find that being rational is not a requirement to play mafia or to be town ^^ i had trouble with it too when i first started playing One would hope that in a game of logic that rationality would be a thing. But I guess maybe I'm expecting a bit much. X-D lol rationality is a thing, but irrational responses = mafia is generally not a thing  if that makes any sense or even irrational reasons for reads -_- unfortunately
Ye gods why do people have to make this harder than it is. X-D
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I GUESS the Vig claim might have helped him there?
Because I mean...no way can Vig claim before he's made his shot there or they just RB him all game. So he might have gotten a mislynch off on D2? Of course he's 100% dead unless they guess that they got the RB right because Vig probably just shoots him then.
I guess the question then comes down to whether you better value an extra mislynch and a sort-of wasted Vig shot (that is to say a Vig shot on a guy who is 100% dead either way) or a guaranteed doc kill.
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On May 11 2015 06:43 Superbia wrote:
Also shoutout to town for pointing me in the right direction with prp.
Shoutout to you for getting an excellent shot on Stutters. Didn't have him read as a priority at all but BAM.
Although by the gods you were a stubborn bugger with your read on prp. Haha.
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I like writing posts analysing everything so it didn't bother me too much, sicklucker. That one took...two and a half hours to do I think. Maybe three. Pretty much going through every single post in ritoky's filter.
Expect more in future games. Although probably with a bit more analysis. For that one as a test I kinda went "stream of consciousness" on it and I'm not as happy with the result as I would like. Was busy that day so I didn't have time to sit down properly and go through it and pull it together cleanly (which would have taken another two hours or so).
Just be thankful I wasn't still on Superbia because his filter was massive this game, about 50% longer again than ritoky's. So it'd have been an even BIGGER post.
@Tictock: You were fine honestly. Like HtS said you did a good job at demonstrating you were town which made it easier to nail down the scummy players. You were pretty far down my list of "most lynchables" at the end and I think most other people felt the same; which is a good talent to have when you play.
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