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hangover from yesterday. catching up and posting stuff now. Random thoughts I had so far for now:
Quick thing I noticed in FFs last few posts:
On May 06 2015 04:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why do I feel like super and ritoky are "talking to each other outside the thread" as it were?
On May 06 2015 05:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
current scummers: sl, shining, maybe super, maybe ritoky
maybes based on tonereads recently.
So was he really shot as a possible medic dodge or because he was onto superbia and ritoky? Or is that planned as a distraction to get town to lynch more town? confusing...
Though I rethought superbia and want to start to see him more as super pushy/aggressive town... need to rethink superbia and rikoty again it seems...
Otherwise I am all for pressuring The Shining, prplhz, stutters and sicklucker into doing more stuff. Not sure who of these I dislike most atm. WIll reread shortly.
Most solid read is -c- as town atm.
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On May 06 2015 16:13 y0su wrote:
disformation is it supposed to be disINformation? (that's not a read on him, just curious if people have been writing his name like that on purpose?) His smiles bug me - they make me feel like he's trying to win favor. Trying to sound friendly and helpful. However, a few of his posts have well explained thought processes and I'll chalk up his indecision on learning - for now.
The nick is disformation. Which is not a correct english word. Could be disinformation or deformation. Yes HtS keeps calling me desinformation. Noticed that, too. Reminds me that I had to make a new account @ twitch.tv because nobody would believe the stuff I typed in chat with this nick. 
Also FF called me disambiguation and dystopian future. Which made me lol really hard. A pity that isn't around anymore. 
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On May 06 2015 22:26 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2015 22:14 disformation wrote:
Though I rethought superbia and want to start to see him more as super pushy/aggressive town... need to rethink superbia and rikoty again it seems... You didn't think he was aggressive towards me (or you for that matter) at EoD D1? What did you think of him (or ritoky) EoD?
My thoughts on Superbia on EoD D1? I thought him to be a bully trying to push ppl around and provoke people into making mistakes. That is why I gave him such a knee jerk reaction after waffling for a moment. Which is was I was pretty much annoyed by him for a fair bit. I now rethought him and think he is a very aggressive townie opposed to a very aggressive mafia. But not 100% sure. He is still super hard to read for me.
Ritoky: he wanted a secondary train so I could see him just doing some poking for the sake of information. A few of his arguments where super weak. Have yet to check what he did the rest of N1 and D2 so far.
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Not to say that ritoky wasn't aggressive at all. I just read Superbia way more aggressive. Maybe that is biased because Superbia was also aggressive towards me and not only you.
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On May 06 2015 22:51 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2015 22:33 disformation wrote:
Which is was I was pretty much annoyed by him for a fair bit. I now rethought him and think he is a very aggressive townie opposed to a very aggressive mafia. What distinction are you making here?
I think I read his motivation different now. EoD1 I read him more as trying to confuse or boss people around as in "do what I want you do to, or imma lynch you" or "come on townies start to scream at each other a bit more, so I can set up misslynches D2". Is that what scumandeering means?
Now I am seeing him more as a townie who aggressively pushes/annoys people to get more reads from them.
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After looking at some filters.
Really don't like prplhz. Willing to vote, not going to do so right this moment, because I am still confused as to where I put some other ppl. Read as: looking very scummy, but I am not 100% if one of my other suspects looks scummier.
On May 06 2015 07:12 The Shining wrote:
Skimmed from EoD up to now. Scott townflip really hurts but I'm not sure how we could have avoided that. Haven't had time to sit at my laptop for anything and trying to actively read 100+ posts on mobile is impossible. Looks like I'm prime d2 lynchbait so I'm going to actually take my time, reread and answer the questions and reads I was asked for.
Not like I need to rush. No way scum kills me tonight when people are still scumming me. Yay me.
Yep, expecting to something good from you D2. You've had a few towny posts D1, but by now you could be easily be a scum lurker.
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@sicklucker:
your top town and scum reads atm, and why?
I also haven't seen you do any real pushing.
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EBWOP: Oh missed your last post. Good to see you are here.
I also like the cop thing. Will note that down.
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On May 07 2015 01:28 Half the Sky wrote:
Ah Superbia.......do us all a favour and explain all these quotes. Because right now you have mafia agenda written all over you.
Totally waffling back and forth on Superbia right now. Would love to see some answers as well. =/
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Still super waffly about Superbia. Looking forward to his answers hoping they push me in the one or other direction.
Didn't like sicklucker before, starting to see him more as a towny as of now.
Still don't like The Shining and prplhz at all. Willing to vote for both of them. Since there is already pressure on prplhz...
The Shining: Convice me you are towny and your D2 is as good as claimed. Make me remove my vote on you. Go!
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@ritoky:
If you have any question, feel free to ask.
Current thought process:
Seem entirely plausible for me that indeed -c-, HtS, Superbia and rikoty are all town and mafia is gladly doing jackshit since town is trying to lynch town all the time...
Really looking forward to what (if anything) the shining and prplhz have to say.
Should probably look at the other players again, too.
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On May 07 2015 03:26 ritoky wrote:
@disform, i will have questions when i can read your filter later. but mostly i just don't think you are so obviously town to deserve all the cheap town reads you are getting. and you seem to just accept them. when ppl town read me and i don't feel particularly overwhelmingly town i am like...wtf why you town reading me?
fair enough. In my head it is more like "how the hell can they read me as anything other than newbie town, as I am exactly that." So I am okay with "easy" town reads and get confused by scum reads... especially not good ones, like scotts last post (which I still don't understand).
Though you are right, I was expecting to be asked a lot more stuff today or N1 since my EoD day 1 behaviour was pretty stupid. But then again, just going in defense mode for no reason, makes me look like scum again... so I was waiting to get poked for that. And people should poke me about that, since it probably looks scummy as hell...
Also and a townie brownie for you. 
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On May 07 2015 04:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Tinfoil hat theory 1 - there's an active mafia in this game.
Tinfoil hat theory 2 - there's a mafia in disinformation/y0su/tictock and the mafia is blending in with his newbie teammates by looking newb.
Was thinking about that, too. But I have a hard time to decide between tictock and y0su.
ticktocs filter is super short. Did not do much D1. Throws away his vote. Though his vote is consistent with his initial reads. Then he does some really towny looking posts N1 with explained reads and some attempts at vote analysis, which I really liked. And so far nothing real on D2, but the vote on his initial read. though I can agree with the vote. Could the N1 stuff have been done to appease people? Kinda null. Def. another player I want to see way more of in the near future.
y0su asking a few questions here and there but not being really decisive...
y0su what are you current thoughts on the shining? Still leaning scum unless he delivers stuff he had promised he'd do on D2? Who of your scum reads are you the most willing to vote on and why?
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EBWOP:
Talking about tinfoil hat theory 2 in my post
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EBWOP2:
and I am not saying that I am 100% sure that one of both is scum. But I think it is somewhat likely. So If I had to decide between the two of them... and so on =p
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On May 07 2015 05:23 Half the Sky wrote:
You're also finding it hard to read Superbia I see. What do you also think of him with his responses to me?
Well. First impression... to quote the late FF "He is an angry face".
He seems angry and dismissive of most of your points, which I don't like. At all.
But the points he makes in the beginning in regard to his playstyle probably explain why I can't read this guy at all and am not very fond of him.
So his tone screams scum at me. But I guess it can be a really good playstyle for finding mafia. He is super scary.
At least he dropped defending prplhz now...
Currently thinking a bit in the lines of:
On May 07 2015 02:35 Superbia wrote:
Like do me a fucking favour, and assume that both camps are town (super/ritoky + celestial/hts) for today and see how that works out, okay?
As in: He is suspicious at hell. But I don't really want to lynch him right now. I still dislike The Shining and prplhz more and have other ppl coasting around at the boarders of null.
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On May 07 2015 06:13 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 05:46 disformation wrote:On May 07 2015 05:23 Half the Sky wrote:
You're also finding it hard to read Superbia I see. What do you also think of him with his responses to me? Well. First impression... to quote the late FF "He is an angry face". He seems angry and dismissive of most of your points, which I don't like. At all. But the points he makes in the beginning in regard to his playstyle probably explain why I can't read this guy at all and am not very fond of him. So his tone screams scum at me. But I guess it can be a really good playstyle for finding mafia. He is super scary.At least he dropped defending prplhz now... Currently thinking a bit in the lines of: On May 07 2015 02:35 Superbia wrote:
Like do me a fucking favour, and assume that both camps are town (super/ritoky + celestial/hts) for today and see how that works out, okay? As in: He is suspicious at hell. But I don't really want to lynch him right now. I still dislike The Shining and prplhz more and have other ppl coasting around at the boarders of null. You're scumreading Superbia based on tone and the "fucking favour" quote. But you are saying his playstyle is good for finding mafia. How do you think he's using that playstyle?
Nono. Was mostly talking about this post (should have been clearer, sry):
On May 07 2015 02:34 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 01:45 Half the Sky wrote:
sicklucker and Celestial - evaluate Superbia's behaviour INDEPENDENT of meta (or in this case his RB claim).
There are town and mafia motivations for claiming RB.
My contention is that his behaviour in this game there is a mafia agenda. To sum up my arguments.
1 Loaded questions - both to myself and Stutters - generally unproductive
2 Misdirection plays
3 The quote where he talks in absolutes where he's basically asking to dismiss him as a scum candidate
4 The DT claim request - DT claims this early in the day destroy the day
5 Behaviour EoD 1 was a "toys out the pram" approach to getting me lynched and his read progression was lacking with OMGUS in there
6 Post lynch he has ZERO focus on me and goes off on Stutters
And finally the meta - I am not meta reading it but the above looks very bad, I don't care that he's active because activity alone does not guarantee he's pure. I hate defending myself as town and I fucking hate explaining myself. What is my goal here as mafia? "chaos"? What utter bullshit. I am hard to follow, and it has caused me to get misslynched in the past 2 games, so get over it. I don't explain shit because I hate doing it. I want to find mafia and solve the game, not writes pages of text regarding my thought process. Blargh. 1. Loaded questions? Are you fucking serious? I asked stutters for the rest of the team simply because I wanted to know his mafia reads outside of prp. What other loaded questions were there? And how do they come from a mafia mindset. 2. I genuinely don't even know what this means. Is this an assumption of my underlying mindset? 3. I should be dismissed from being a scum candidate. FF is my favorite player to play with, even if we are differently aligned. He was obviously VT and not a role as well. Why the fuck do I ever put KP on him? And before you bring up WIFOM, I have no reason to cover my ass or to use d1 KP to get WIFOM going. It's absolutely suboptimal. I hunt for PRs with KP, or strong town. You want to paint the world in which I kill my favorite player who is OBVIOUSLY VT and to WASTE THE ROLEBLOCK. Wow, what mafia play. 4. DT claim? What are you even talking about? Is this the whole red check confirm thing I asked because someone softed it? Yeah, I want to know whether a questionable person is adamant about scum-reading (and literally only doing that) one of my townies. 5. Well at least I didn't fucking join the scott wagon like the rest of the "townies", right? I tried to salvage a disastrous d1 by going on you. Yes, I absolutely believed you were mafia at EoD1. Your two "red" reads? Both town. I did not see any real scum hunting, just someone tagging along trying to appear town. Sure, your posts were big, but mafia can make big posts. Even if you flipped town it would've gotten us way more information from the votes than the garbage we have now. 6. Because I re-evaluated you completely and this is the world I want to live in today. Like holy fucking shit. If you are town you are making this game ridiculously hard for me.
Were he is aggressive and dismissive of your style in contrast to being calm and stuff. Which I don't like.
So I read his tone as scum. But it is possible that I don't agree with his playstyle which he describes in this post. But I can also see how this playstyle can be town motivated. As in "I am going to annoy those mafia guys until do something stupid". And he is actively and aggressively engaging people, which would fit that train of thought. Though I think he is engaging the wrong people...
But I can't be sure that he is not being mafia and tries to get people to make mistakes so he can get a misslynch going.
I was quoting the "fucking flavour" thing to show what I am currently thinking. As in: I am highly suspicious of the guy, but I don't think we should lynch today. On the other hand he would be like my third or fourth pick right now... so I guess I am leaning scum on him.
I probably have to rethink and reread everything tomorrow, again. *sigh* xD
And yes I know that I come across as an indecisive piece of crap.
Sry, Town for making this game way harder than it already is. xD
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Actually busy at work today as well. So not much time. A few things I like to point out as of now. Just some quick notes, I'll have to look at stuff again when I am at home in 2-3 hours.
On May 07 2015 03:26 ritoky wrote:
@disform, i will have questions when i can read your filter later. but mostly i just don't think you are so obviously town to deserve all the cheap town reads you are getting. and you seem to just accept them. when ppl town read me and i don't feel particularly overwhelmingly town i am like...wtf why you town reading me?
There was no follow up from ritoky.
TickToc: I like that he actually put out some well explained reads. But there were a few strange things. In his "case" on me he calls pretty much all my reads super weak and then calls me an impressive newbie. And I posted:
On May 07 2015 05:14 disformation wrote:
ticktocs filter is super short. Did not do much D1. Throws away his vote. Though his vote is consistent with his initial reads. Then he does some really towny looking posts N1 with explained reads and some attempts at vote analysis, which I really liked. And so far nothing real on D2, but the vote on his initial read. though I can agree with the vote. Could the N1 stuff have been done to appease people? Kinda null. Def. another player I want to see way more of in the near future.
Earlier. So am feeling a bit like he wants me to TR him for TRing me this hard. Will def. have to read his other stuff more carefully.
The Shining: probably should have interacted with him, but I was in a loop of reevaluating superbia and got pretty tired of that. So I went to do something not related to mafia for once. xD
Will have to look at what he wrote more closely, but from what I have skimmed so far I am probably willing to move my vote off him.
Otherwise I think prplhz is still the worst offender for today and I think HtS is pretty towny for how hard she was pushing me to try and decide what I think of Superbia and why I have such a hard time deciding on him.
inb4: "If you think prplhz is the worst offender, why are you voting for the shining?" The Shining was my second worst offender, so I wanted to push in his direction early, as to avoid the situation we had EoD Day 1.
Will post more stuff, when I am back at home. Cu later.
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Back. Though I'll leave again in like 1h30mins. *rolleyes*
This day...
Will give my utmost to be back at least 1h before lunch time. (typo was intended )
Probably have given y0su too much free room for being a fellow newbie. And looking at how hard I was waffling especially on superbia I got the feeling he had the samish problem. But I slept on him for a long time tbh.
So: I'll reread The Shining, y0su, ticktoc, stutters and sicklucker. If I drop The Shining, which I probably will, I am willing to get a wagon going for one of the others, if I read them as scummy.
Also If there are questions: gogogo!
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EBWOP:
I am not good at math. I have 2h30mins.
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