On May 08 2015 08:01 disformation wrote:
Yeah, I can see that.
Getting pushed by HtS into rethinking superbia three times a day, was exhausting too. xD
HtS is one scary lady.

This is why I'm in these newbie games....I'm honestly one of the worst town players in TL :/

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Germany9029 Posts

May 07 2015 23:18 GMT

#1611

On May 08 2015 08:13 -Celestial- wrote:
HtS what are the drinking rules town side?

That's a damn good question actually. Right now I'm drinking a Spanish monastrell dry rose. I'm a bit of a wine fanatic, though being a distance runner, I can't really drink much.

I'd say two glasses for a correct lynch. If Superbia shoots correctly tonight, I'll drink another glass.

Finish the bottle if scum concede.

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Germany9029 Posts

May 07 2015 23:19 GMT

#1613

EBWOP - or finish the bottle if we lynch the last guy. Same deal. Finish the bottle for any town victory.

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Germany9029 Posts

May 07 2015 23:25 GMT

#1617

On May 08 2015 08:18 ritoky wrote:
basically the likelihood that a 2nd mafia is outside of the day 1 lynch vote is very low, which would mean me, TT, and superbia are likely all town. the point i was making is you scum read 2 of the 4 and town read 2 of the 4; it is more likely 3 are town and 1 is mafia. from a numbers pov.

Tictock is an isolated vote, obviously we know he's most likely not scum here. But in other games, stats aside how are you so sure that isolated votes AREN'T mafia?

I mean I hated the way you used it in Titanic, everyone knows VCA can be manipulated for an anti-town agenda and you were SK. Just saying. I'm talking in general btw, not necessarily this game, this game I'm sure you're town.

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Germany9029 Posts

May 07 2015 23:26 GMT

#1618

On May 08 2015 08:22 The Shining wrote:
At this point, they're confirmed. Stutters likely flips scum and going forward, lynch out of y0su, TT, Rit.

Why tictock and ritoky might be scum? Or is that a PoE result?

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Germany9029 Posts

May 07 2015 23:29 GMT

#1620

Anyways, I think I'm going back into dota for one more round and then that's the night for me. I'll be back.

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Germany9029 Posts

May 07 2015 23:33 GMT

#1623

On May 08 2015 08:30 The Shining wrote:

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Poe provided Stutters flips scum. That's why I said I'd go more into it eon.

Also I wasn't suspecting SL? I'm pretty sure I've had him as bad/unproductive SL thru meta because that's what I have him now.

On May 08 2015 08:03 The Shining wrote:
Oh sick we got the RB. That's more than I hoped for, kind of shocked scum would let that happen.

Yeah, Stutters looks pretty bad off of this. SL is also an outlier vote, that looks horribad post flip.

Eh?

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Germany9029 Posts

May 08 2015 13:50 GMT

#1656

On May 08 2015 11:09 The Shining wrote:
Yeah I was excusing the vote, not scumming him for it, and he comes back and tells me it's not alignment indicative. Felt like a defensive post, and unnecessary.

And I'd lynch him solely off of doing that more than once, while trying to direct blues without reading. I can't even begin to fathom where that town motivation would come from.

Shining he has done this as both alignments. If sicklucker is scum, it's not for this. What I'm more interested in, is how he knew he wanted to lynch Stutters and y0su earlier.

I asked him earlier who other than Superbia he wanted to lynch - he replied Stutters and y0su without any reasoning.

SL, what do you think on y0su now?

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Germany9029 Posts

May 08 2015 14:36 GMT

#1657

I also find it amusing that Stutters has gone completely dead silent since his last post. Probably threw in the towel.

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Germany9029 Posts

May 08 2015 14:38 GMT

#1658

y0su, are you here?

Let's say that Superbia misfires on Stutters and that Stutters is town.

Who are your two scummers now?

Last I can tell from your filter, you formed a town read on Shining from your conversation with him.

So where do you stand now on everyone else?

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Germany9029 Posts

May 08 2015 18:54 GMT

#1665

On May 09 2015 03:17 Stutters695 wrote:
That might be changed if I get the time to actually filter read, but honestly unless prpl didn't get lynched somehow Vigs are best spent taking out unreadables/lurkers.

prplhz was lynched. He flipped RB. That's why we're asking the next scum....

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Germany9029 Posts

May 08 2015 22:23 GMT

#1702

On May 09 2015 06:48 -Celestial- wrote:

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Something which was never, ever happening. I'm sorry but this is an absurd argument. No way does mafia EVER NK the second counter-claim here, especially post flip. "No rly, srsly guys believe me, scouts honour I'm the REAL Doc, he was just covering for me."

In a game with no PMs so that such an action couldn't be coordinated there is zero reason for mafia to believe the second claim here.

100% - I think also the pro play comment indicates TMI.

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Germany9029 Posts

May 08 2015 22:23 GMT

#1703

Catching up btw.

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Germany9029 Posts

May 08 2015 22:29 GMT

#1705

On May 09 2015 05:48 y0su wrote:
Why did Super get RB'd and FF NK'd?

The events leading up to EoD1 have Super pushing hardest for the train to move from scott to HtS. Let's assuming our two roles are indeed Doc/Vig. Why RB Super and NK FF? I thought FF's play towards the end of the day was a bit weak, why NK him? Medic dodge?. Yes, but why? Super was coming strong after HtS (when I read it later I thought it was just an attempt to get a 2nd train - especially with how he decided he didn't want a d2 lynch of HtS.) But what if scum didn't read it that way (at least during the night?) Now, there were 3 people on the HtS wagon (one being Prpl) and one vote on Prpl (so 3 potential vigilantes to look out for). They guessed right and RB'd the biggest danger to HtS (If HtS wasn't scum, WHY RB SOMEONE GUNNING FOR HER??). Now, why not just kill Super? Again, with his EoD charge against HtS it would look kind of obvious to kill him (and there's the possibility that he had a doc visit since Ritoky + Show Spoiler +

beyond pro play by dis to pick up the CC in place of Ritoky, just a shame Ritoky thanked him instead of keeping up the charade

was on that train as well and might have anticipated the danger to Super.

First off, sorry about your cat. That sucks.

But the rest of this quote is 100% WIFOM. Night actions in general are WIFOM. There are a load of reasons someone could have had actions taken on them, and in the absence of any knowledge, you'd presume the most townie/experienced players - should they have "blue tools" in their hands would be the most dangerous. (At least that's my thought on why I think Superbia was blocked in the absence of a breadcrumb.) Superbia was quite town, could have had protection - who knows - hence the medic dodge theory. An inexperienced player as a blue role may not know as much.

Also second argument, just because someone is town (in this case Superbia) does not mean he's accurate. It is very common for town players to scumread each other if they misinterpret each other. Superbia's push on any given player in of itself does not make that player scum.

If you're going to shoot me, you're going to shoot me for my behaviour during the day, not speculative night actions, when as town, you'd know jack all who did what.

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Germany9029 Posts

May 08 2015 22:36 GMT

#1707

On May 09 2015 07:00 sicklucker wrote:
Ritokys claim was so bad no ones ever falling for it. Makes it more likely scum

Makes me wonder if his "prp are you a role or mafia" (which he used to justify the post-counterclaim) was just him pretending to be invested in the push, but then again superbia did the same thing with me thinking I was either a PR or mafia D1. And though the latter is clearly town (and would soon be confirmed pending the nightkills), it just looked horrible to me.

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Germany9029 Posts

May 08 2015 22:39 GMT

#1708

EBWOP - Basically in reference to the last cycle, it makes it hard to decide if that action alone was town or mafia motivated. The claim however (now that disinformation has reiterated his claim) from a town perspective could be him trying to WIFOM mafia, but I'm also with Celestial on this one - no way the scummers wouldn't believe the first claim.

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Germany9029 Posts

May 08 2015 22:40 GMT

#1710

On May 09 2015 07:13 -Celestial- wrote:
In fact it could even be worse than that.

Under those circumstances its entirely possible town gets scared of potentially mislynching the Doc, consequently leaving both alone. Potentially leading to a mislynch on someone entirely different which would be increasingly painful at that point.

*cough*the Guardians game*cough*

(Except the blue role in question was the town vigilante. The CC turned out to come from mafia in that game.)