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On May 07 2015 02:16 ritoky wrote: i am not particularly a fan of this superbia lynch. it seems very similar to the scott lynch. same people pushing it, no1 defending superbia, a lot of tone reasoning, and no real exploration into other people. i feel like one of the few people considering alternatives. someone might be railroading this game....need to figure out whom. 1 "Same people pushing it" - no, not true, Celestial I think pushed Scott, I only added on to the case. I am pushing Superbia though and if I am wrong, I have no problem taking responsibility. I am pushing Superbia on behaviour, not mechanics. And yes ritoky what you described about them RB/kill the same person, yes, that is why I am focusing on behaviour. 2 Superbia needs to defend himself. Also mind you, there are two votes on Superbia, one on prplhz, and one on Stutters. This train isn't runaway. Context please. 3 I've quoted nearly every argument I have against him. 4 My vote was on prplhz prior to Superbia. I didn't like the former then, still don't like him now. I also don't like Shining and his D1 behaviour was bad. I'd like to pressure vote all of them, but I can't. | ||
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On May 07 2015 02:16 ritoky wrote: someone might be railroading this game....need to figure out whom. What do you mean by railroading? Bussing? | ||
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On May 07 2015 02:24 Stutters695 wrote: Vote is on prpl, I don't like this. Neither do I. What can you do when too many people are being quite scummy? | ||
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On May 07 2015 02:18 Stutters695 wrote: Shit, if I were scum and knew I'd kick back and laugh my way to d3. I want you to contribute something outside of the RB point so we have something to actually judge you on. To be very fair Stutters, town sicklucker uses mechanics a lot to town's detriment. Carol (with the presents mechanics) was a major example of this. He spent 75% of the time discussing whether a town or a scum would gift one-shot ability presents to each other instead of actually scumhunting. It drove a number of us batshit. | ||
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On May 07 2015 02:30 ritoky wrote: hts you think that 2 of the 4 people who didn't vote on a townie d1 are mafia? and that of those 4, me and disform are the most town? think about it in that light. I think I understand you. You're saying that is it possible that 2 scum voted me....but disinformation voted Scott. Wagon was 3 votes on me, you sup and prp. I'm trying to avoid associations. It is possible that scum can form counterwagon to remove attention from themselves, though Superbia did that when the wagon on Scott was high. He wasn't invested in the Scott lynch at all. So this is a point in favour of him. D2 I didn't just have a problem with one quote, I have problems with multiple things. If he can explain that, then it's one thing. prplhz on the other hand looked really bad. I don't recall him being invested in that lynch, but he was trying to push me from the backseat (unlike you and Superbia). I'm not scumreading disinformation (yet). I picked his brain a little and he's looking okay for now. On May 07 2015 02:30 ritoky wrote: also i am pretty sure a literal 0 amount of people have called superbia town this game. maybe 1. so the lynch seems a lot easier to me with multiple people essentially pre-voting. For what I recall, there are three people that scummed him relatively solidly. That's hardly a majority. Celestial did D1 but it was associative, and now he's not sure. Stutters and myself had problems with him, and I still do. The newbies - I have no idea where they stand. Shining - no clue if his reads have changed. You I thought townread him. | ||
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On May 07 2015 02:34 Superbia wrote: I hate defending myself as town and I fucking hate explaining myself. What is my goal here as mafia? "chaos"? What utter bullshit. I am hard to follow, and it has caused me to get misslynched in the past 2 games, so get over it. I don't explain shit because I hate doing it. I want to find mafia and solve the game, not writes pages of text regarding my thought process. Blargh. 1. Loaded questions? Are you fucking serious? I asked stutters for the rest of the team simply because I wanted to know his mafia reads outside of prp. What other loaded questions were there? And how do they come from a mafia mindset. 2. I genuinely don't even know what this means. Is this an assumption of my underlying mindset? 3. I should be dismissed from being a scum candidate. FF is my favorite player to play with, even if we are differently aligned. He was obviously VT and not a role as well. Why the fuck do I ever put KP on him? And before you bring up WIFOM, I have no reason to cover my ass or to use d1 KP to get WIFOM going. It's absolutely suboptimal. I hunt for PRs with KP, or strong town. You want to paint the world in which I kill my favorite player who is OBVIOUSLY VT and to WASTE THE ROLEBLOCK. Wow, what mafia play. 4. DT claim? What are you even talking about? Is this the whole red check confirm thing I asked because someone softed it? Yeah, I want to know whether a questionable person is adamant about scum-reading (and literally only doing that) one of my townies. 5. Well at least I didn't fucking join the scott wagon like the rest of the "townies", right? I tried to salvage a disastrous d1 by going on you. Yes, I absolutely believed you were mafia at EoD1. Your two "red" reads? Both town. I did not see any real scum hunting, just someone tagging along trying to appear town. Sure, your posts were big, but mafia can make big posts. Even if you flipped town it would've gotten us way more information from the votes than the garbage we have now. 6. Because I re-evaluated you completely and this is the world I want to live in today. Like holy fucking shit. If you are town you are making this game ridiculously hard for me. Regarding #1 - the question where you asked me what I thought of my D1 performance. That was loaded because what does that tell you about my alignment? If I say it's good or bad, then what? Regarding #3 - FF can be a medic dodge or the result of a blue hunt attempt. We will never know. And in the presence of a veteran, you always RB and kill so that people CANNOT claim RB and confirm themselves town. Scum want to limit information. Killing the person you roleblock DOES EXACTLY THAT. Regarding #4, I'm talking about when you said for Stutters to claim if you had a red check on prplhz. Why would you do it so early and try and direct scum actions at night? I could understand a newbie doing this not understanding the ramifications but you are experienced to know this. You get him to out that early in the day, everyone AFK votes the red check and nothing gets done, DT dies that night. In Student 5 this exactly happened, and I don't want that mistake happening again. Regarding #6, you pinged Stutters post-lynch and you read my scum games only D2 so you can't say that you pinged Stutters BECAUSE you re-evaluated me. Because you pinged him BEFORE you read my scum games, not the other way around. | ||
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On May 07 2015 02:41 Superbia wrote: sicklucker's mechanics are garbage. I did not say it was valid. Does it make him scum, based on meta no. Does it make you scum? No. I called his posts dangerous. Behaviour > mechanics, every time. | ||
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On May 07 2015 02:39 Superbia wrote: Also The Shining should be the singular focus right now. I stopped pressuring him d1 to give him an opportunity to contribute to the game, and he has done absolutely nothing. Kill, kill, kill. How late are you up? Shining works night shift and he's 6h behind you. He plays this game at work. Today he's back at work. I think you tend to be up late so that's your prime opportunity to pressure him again. I might be able to catch him, because I don't like him either. Already threatened to vote him if he didn't pick up. | ||
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On May 07 2015 02:34 Superbia wrote: Like holy fucking shit. If you are town you are making this game ridiculously hard for me. And if you're town, you'll resolve my concerns (or the concerns of any town who scumreads you). There are points I've gone about even with ritoky just now that make it less likely that you are scum. But I am putting out my thoughts in full so you see where I'm coming from. I have nothing to hide as town. I'm not voting you down for shits and giggles. I'm explaining what I don't like and why I don't. And there are others I have a problem with as well. | ||
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On May 07 2015 02:42 Superbia wrote: We don't lynch prp because prp subscribed to my thought patterns d1, which buys him a no-lynch today. How in the seven hells do you want to lynch prp when people like the shining have not done anything after pressure was removed. You missed the point Superbia. HE'S NOT ANYMORE. prplhz is ALSO DOING JACK ALL. | ||
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What do you two think, how does it affect your view on Superbia? Stutters, same question to you, I know you were looking at him too. I already know what I think but I know others were noting our exchange. | ||
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On May 07 2015 04:02 -Celestial- wrote: I was being a touch hyperbolic, hence why I said "almost" and I'm staying on prplhz right now. Though I feel Superbia is far more dangerous an opponent to leave alive if he does turn out to be scum which worries me a lot. If prplhz flips red, Superbia IMO will look significantly worse. I learnt the hard way in Aperture 4 with a fear read on kitaman - fear reads don't tell jack all about the alignment unless you're doing a full meta read. One scum at a time. | ||
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On May 07 2015 04:35 y0su wrote: Superbia d1 posting was sporadic and I can let some go with his birthday. [...] Okay, he's gone full red with his defense of prpl. I think we can have 2 wagons without defending one of them. prplhz more like rdhz. No d1 excuse... no filter.. OMGUS vote on HtS. All of that could change if we get some d2 out of him. I particularly don't like + Show Spoiler + you guys need to push this hts thing btw. don't know when's the last time i saw a scum be up for lynch and then oppose the alternative wagon (well okay i sort of did that when it was me or LS in titanic but that was probably a bad move lol). [...] So far I'm not trying to form a scum team so I'm not concerned with a red read voting another red read. Going to be on more now and looking into d2 more critically (especially the interactions of the reds and half red) y0su, sorry to break it to you but you already formed a team. You are scumreading Superbia (as scum) for defending someone you think is red. You can't explore interactions until someone has flipped. | ||
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