• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 16:07
CET 22:07
KST 06:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT24Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0226LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker16
StarCraft 2
General
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Kaelaris on the futue of SC2 and much more... How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) How do the "codes" work in GSL? Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02 [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Tik Tok Parody about starcraft Ladder maps - how we can make blizz update them?
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2083 users

Noir Mini Mafia: Chapter 3 - Page 7

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 All
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 30 2015 00:02 GMT
#1400
##Vote: Breshke
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 30 2015 22:02 GMT
#1521
I come bearing answers.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 30 2015 22:29 GMT
#1523
It's officially at the point in the game where I feel like I need to completely re-evaluate.

I don't have any answers. I lied.

##Unvote
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 01 2015 10:39 GMT
#1529
And Then... There Were Six





rsoultin


I shouldn't really have to explain why I think rso is town, but at this point it's a somewhat necessary exercise to question my own townreads.

At 21 pages of filter, rso is the most active player left alive in the game by over double in terms of sheer posting. Ignoring any meta-related questions of activity and ability to post, this is indicative of a level of involvement and interest in the game that is literally unequaled by anyone else. I doubt that ANY mafia player would be so overwhelmingly active and conversational throughout this game.

Seeing as no one save Wave himself even questioned her alignment at almost any point in the game, there's no real reason for me to doubt this read whatsoever. Wave's posting did NOT look like scum distancing or bussing, however odd it is that he chose to attack literally the towniest person in the thread. Open and shut, there's no reason to dig through 21 pages to figure out her alignment. No one's going to argue with me about this anyway.




Palmar

From the most active, to the least active.

Before I delve into Palmar's posting or talk about his play this game at any length, I want to talk about how I generally approach reading Palmar. I've seen Palmar play in any number of ways, from claiming scum as town, claiming scum as scum, to pushing a case very hard as town, to pushing a case very hard as mafia. I've seen him fuck off, and I've seen him tryhard and tunnel and ruin an entire day pushing an incorrect read. Simply put, meta reads just aren't very effective on Palmar, at least in the early game. Later in the game, maybe he cares more as town? It's hard to say.

This game, Palmar's singular meaningful contribution to the game is his case on Wave. It happened relatively early D1 and was somewhat followed up throughout the game as Palmar continued to come in the thread and call for Wave's lynch. Aside from a short lived push on me for dubious reasons, Palmar's reads this game outside of Wave have been rather shallow.

So, the question to answer is, was it a bus?

Before Mafia Mini Mafia 2, I would have said absolutely not. What, exactly, is the point of such a play? Why hardbus your teammates all game and play for a much more difficult win if you can avoid it? Now, however, I'm quite unsure. I made the wrong call faced with this question in MMM2 and I'm hesitant to make any sort of associative read this game because of it.

On this subject, Palmar says this:

On April 30 2015 22:31 Palmar wrote:
I have bused teammates and I have been right on day 1. So in the end your approach results in absolutely no fucking conclusion.

So... how do you do this?

You look at how I did it. Go read my case on WoS, go read my interactions with him and think to yourself "Do I believe Palmar genuinely believes the things he's saying?". Am I being insightful or am I using some shitty generic scumtells to build my case. Am I explaining why I think what I think in a manner that looks like these are genuine thoughts and not fabricated bullshit on a teammate?

Go forth and try.

You'll probably fail, but it's better to have tried and failed but not to have tried at all.


And I'll repeat, before MMM2 I would have been on board with this. But now? I saw Damdred interact with GB and Rit all game long while calling them mafia for genuine-looking reasons that lined up with how I viewed the game, BUT I WAS STILL WRONG. At this point, it's just not good enough.

Looking at the rest of Palmar's play this game, you really see how thin his reads are. If Palmar was mafia with Wave, where does Palmar go from here? He hasn't really had any other in-depth read on any other player in the game up to this point, so who is he to push? He has his "case" on me that he questions even himself, and an associative read on Artanis that is based on the same sort of thin logic: "He doesn't agree with me and is bad so he must be mafia"

Could Palmar be town? Sure. He could have just been really right on D1 and then basically just stopped playing after that, and is now dealing with that fact. I've been there, on occasion. At this point, though, Palmar looks quite bad. I have yet to re-look at the other three, but we'll get there. For tonight though, this is going to do.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 01 2015 20:10 GMT
#1534
Won't have time to finish it today.

Tonight, though, I probably will.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 02 2015 20:58 GMT
#1566
Magical.

Whatever, I'm done fighting, I don't want to be alive at lylo again anyway.

Peace.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 04 2015 20:24 GMT
#1714
Yeah, I definitely lost motivation after a certain point.

Posting for five days on what was essentially the same game day is taxing.
Writer@WriterYamato
Prev 1 5 6 7 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 53m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 490
elazer 239
UpATreeSC 129
JuggernautJason48
trigger 38
ForJumy 20
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 16424
Calm 1651
Sea 620
Shuttle 292
Mini 271
EffOrt 185
ggaemo 81
Free 56
Rock 23
Shine 11
[ Show more ]
NaDa 10
Dota 2
canceldota51
League of Legends
C9.Mang0145
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps3064
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor183
Other Games
Grubby3063
FrodaN2544
Liquid`Hasu335
shahzam321
RotterdaM252
ArmadaUGS111
Livibee50
Organizations
StarCraft 2
angryscii 15
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 39
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota244
League of Legends
• TFBlade1266
Other Games
• imaqtpie1263
• Shiphtur256
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
2h 53m
PiG Sty Festival
11h 53m
Clem vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Escore
12h 53m
Epic.LAN
14h 53m
Replay Cast
1d 2h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 11h
herO vs NightMare
Reynor vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
1d 12h
Epic.LAN
1d 14h
Replay Cast
2 days
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-18
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4 - TS5
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026: China & Korea Invitational
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.