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Artanis[Xp]

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April 28 2015 18:53 GMT

#1246

I THINK I want to lynch Yamato over Wave today.

Artanis[Xp]

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April 28 2015 18:58 GMT

#1248

If you could point out some of the original thoughts he had in Guardians that he feels lacking in here that'd help a lot, though I can imagine it's difficult to point them out after the game.

Artanis[Xp]

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April 28 2015 19:02 GMT

#1253

On April 29 2015 03:58 Trfel wrote:

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On April 29 2015 03:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

On April 29 2015 03:35 Trfel wrote:

On April 29 2015 03:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think I might actually want to lynch Yamato. Going through a few of his towngames he comments on so many more things than he has this game, where he's been really fixated on a very small amount of things (BH whom he didn't really have a strong read on one way or the other but still comments on, the thing I commented on regarding Palmar/BH, and later just tunneling on me with a passerby comment on Trfel until I'm no longer a popular target when he just jumps the bandwagon onto Wave). It feels like his radar is much smaller than it usually is on towngames. I scrolled through Guilty, for example, and pretty much every post comments on someone else. LXVII, same thing though less so. Devil, same thing.

Problem is that his play isn't really similar to his last scumgame where he tried either (Survivor). However, I'd argue that Yamato has commented on how much he's disliked playing scum (it's in the big post at the end of Survivor). I'd also argue that his focus on small things/singular people is easier to do than his usual towngame. It also feels very convenient how his reads match town sentiment all the time, swapping to lynching Wave as soon as I'm no longer a viable target.

But there are a few holes that I see in this.

First, I don't think that it is inherently anti-town to focus on one thing at a time and jump around like yamato77 has been doing. What really matters is how you evaluate and consider everything at the key times (approaching a lynch), and yamato77 seems to be willing to consider everything when he is evaluating potential lynches.

As for following the thread sentiment and not commenting on as much, it is a smaller game, and it is a slower game. To be honest, I don't feel like there is generally much to talk about that isn't the "thread sentiment".

So while this doesn't look good for yamato77, and I could see myself lynching him, I can't confidently say that this makes him scum.

Sort of like how I can't confidently scumread Breshke for having no unique pushes this game.

On January 18 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:

On January 18 2015 12:39 Damdred wrote:
So you have no scum leans at least?

None its shit i know.

I'm going through and rereading again, especially the longer posts like geripts because i didn't really read them well.

Who is your biggest scum right now?

In addition to Breshke being cautious with his scumreads, this is a hard game.

There's a difference between only commenting on things that town sentiment is talking about and literally following all of thread sentiment. I don't think Yamato has swayed from it in anything other than BH, but even then he didn't push it in any real way which actually makes him look worse. The only thing that actually makes me doubt on him is the way he treated me and took a reasonable approach regarding me. It felt kinda townie, but I can't ignore the rest of the game.

Yamato's recent analyses of you and WaveofShadow were actually fairly good. And he was being reasonable.

His inactivity is concerning, and he has been jumping around in his focus, but I just can't feel comfortable lynching him....

Part of me just wants to lynch all three (Breshke, WaveofShadow, and yamato77) and hope that both scum are between them. I'm just having such a hard time getting significantly more confident in any one lynch.

They were okay, but they followed thread sentiment to the T. He had supposedly strong reasons to scumread me, then 15 minutes later jumps on Wave and never mentions me again. Doesn't try to get a better read on me or anything like that, and doesn't mention why he doesn't scumread me anymore. His case on Wave also came at a time when everyone was already scumreading Wave, so eh.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12970 Posts

April 28 2015 19:04 GMT

#1255

On April 29 2015 04:00 Trfel wrote:

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Breshke was among my strongest townreads in Student VII (I replaced in) for having a ton of great townreads and insightful comments.

Yes, it's a student game, but I haven't seen a single instance of these insightful comments from Breshke in this game. He's been sensible, but not inspiring.

I just think it's much more likely he's got an off game content wise than for all these other factors that I've mentioned that were present in his scumgame to suddenly have changed.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12970 Posts

April 28 2015 19:09 GMT

#1259

Hm, Trfel, I see what you mean. Yeah, he was definitely a lot more insightful there than he has been here. I just don't know if that makes him scum.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12970 Posts

April 28 2015 19:13 GMT

#1261

On April 29 2015 04:12 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, I have a really really stupid tone read question for you.

For most of this game, WaveofShadow has been frustrated and mad, or at least seemed that way to me.

Since he started being scumread, his tone became very reasonable and withdrawn, he didn't feel frustrated at all (the notable exception being his argument with rsoultin). But that seems to be a strange difference for me.

One possible explanation is that he spent most of this time discussing with me (who apparently he has decided is extremely weak and sensitive, thus he can't show frustration or I will go cry to my mommy). But I'm not sure that I buy this, so I wonder if that makes him look more scummy.

Did you not feel that towards the end of his filter yesterday he was becoming much more angry?

Also, don't get me wrong, I still find Wave very suspicious and I'm actually quite torn between Wave/Yamato.

Artanis[Xp]

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April 28 2015 19:20 GMT

#1264

On April 29 2015 04:16 Trfel wrote:

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Well, that was when he was fighting with rsoultin, and I don't really see how WaveofShadow would possibly not be angry there.

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This is probably the quote that stands out the most, I think. I basically make a comment that most would find insulting (even though I worded it really cautiously), and WaveofShadow responds completely reasonably and open. He isn't frustrated at all.

Hm, that's interesting. Good find.

I kinda want to let other people talk a bit though. I'm pretty confident in townreading both you and arsoul at this point. It kinda bugs me that no one else is around.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12970 Posts

April 28 2015 20:34 GMT

#1269

Bet this is a better case than anything Yamato can make.

Artanis[Xp]

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April 28 2015 20:53 GMT

#1271

Why not?

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12970 Posts

April 28 2015 21:49 GMT

#1282

You're actually still putting Damdred above me?

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12970 Posts

April 28 2015 22:24 GMT

#1295

On April 29 2015 07:09 Palmar wrote:
Because we're probably finally going to lynch WoS and the night is silent:

If I'm right, look at artanis first, then yamato and damdred.

If'm wrong, same three people. Also in that case, sorry.

If I'm right, you all suck.

Thank you for your elaborate reasons.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12970 Posts

April 28 2015 22:27 GMT

#1297

I am quite up for a plynch on Palmar regardless of the Wave lynch result tbh.

Artanis[Xp]

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April 28 2015 22:34 GMT

#1303

On April 29 2015 07:31 rsoultin wrote:
too long :/

i think palmar is town this game but i know he's trying to break meta. the problem with breaking meta when your meta is to be awful is then you just get mislynched. i'm perfectly happy with instigating the natural way of things lol ><

Town Palmar tends to give a shit when he's about to get lynched though. At least, this used to be true.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12970 Posts

April 28 2015 22:44 GMT

#1309

Wave, if you're town last reads would be nice.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12970 Posts

April 28 2015 22:45 GMT

#1310

Also I'm gonna stop posting for now because I'm spending way more time on this game today than I wanted to in general and the lynch seems pretty set and I'm ok with it.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12970 Posts

April 28 2015 23:22 GMT

#1332

On April 29 2015 08:19 Breshke wrote:

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i actually agree with this. Like i like the sentiment trfel but all this might achieve is the day extending, not getting yamato lynched

Actually, I may want to switch too. I'm actually quite torn.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12970 Posts

April 28 2015 23:23 GMT

#1336

Who's currently on Yamato? Breshke/Wave/Trfel?

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12970 Posts

April 28 2015 23:27 GMT

#1341

I think Rso will switch to Yamato if I do to avoid a no lynch.
I just dunno if I want to. I really dunno.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12970 Posts

April 28 2015 23:30 GMT

#1348

On April 29 2015 07:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
Can't do anything now, no time
Palmar rsoul yamato pribably
Could also be wrong on Trfel but doubt it

Gg
Shouldn't have joined this game

Does Wave even bother with this if he's scum?

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12970 Posts

April 28 2015 23:36 GMT

#1358

On April 29 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:

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dunno

you did though xP

I did it last min just to troll though.

I was tempted to switch to Yamato after finding out he hasn't been lynched as town in forever, but then I checked Wave and the same was true for him so that doesn't help.

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