EPTeh...i'm reconsidering him? but not gonna say much about it until i decide one way or another
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
eh...i'm reconsidering him? but not gonna say much about it until i decide one way or another | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Student Mafia VIII just ended. I can talk about it now. This game was ridiculously depressing. Not only were my reads wrong for basically the entire game, but I managed to irritate most of the people in the game. My efforts to drive discussion and make things happened only led to more people scumreading me, more people getting mad, and fewer people enjoying reading the game. It ended with me being shot by the vigilante on Night 1. Still, I managed to make the game environment miserable and make several townies extremely mad. If people don't want to play with me, then I don't want to play, either. It's not about winning, it's about having fun, and I can't play if that prevents other people from having fun. So in the midst of this, I scumread yamato77, and posted a case containing my reasons. And then everyone starts yelling at me and calling it a miserable case, and calling me mafia for it. A short while later, a bunch of people decide that yamato77 is mafia, for very similar reasons to ones that I mentioned in my case (apparently I said it really poorly). And yamato77 reached four votes, none of them being me. No, I'm not playing my best this game. And I'm sorry for that, you guys deserve me to play at my best, especially with the player quality being so high in this game. But I'm doing what I can, and when it gets ignored like this, I'm not happy. If you're going to scumread me, look at the thoughts I've been putting out first. I'm not one to drive discussion, I've tried to do this many times in the past. It doesn't work out for me, I've lost every single one of the games where I tried to lead discussion, and I was often scumread for doing so. My activity hasn't been very good this game, and for that I'm also sorry. I just ask that people wouldn't ignore me, and actually give my thoughts a fair chance. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
As such I don't think anyone doesn't enjoy playing with you honestly, I enjoy it I know at least. Trfel broke my heart though and my scum read. I don't want to lynch trfel today for sure, also I'm really not ignoring you lol. Just waiting on reasoning for wanting to put me back in the acum pool | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
damdy being all mean to truffle maybe i should put damdy back in the scum pool xP | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
just yea | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On April 26 2015 06:07 Damdred wrote: One of many examples of false meta on me.Maybe I have a warped view of trfel, but the ability to press his reads and to drive them take precedence over almost anything else in the thread when he is actually involved in the thread. Guardians, the student mafia games. And his scum games always lacks that, even if hes wrong he always pushes. Here...hes always second guessing himself on everything he puts out it feels like. On April 26 2015 06:23 Damdred wrote: Bad argument (unflipped association read).I think that you are really wrong on breshke though. If you think Yamato is scum, do you really see scum breshke going for the bus in this situation? On April 26 2015 07:20 Damdred wrote: Why can't we worry about this every 24 hours? If we have a lynch, then lynch. If not, then don't.Also, since i'm actually trying to be involved I think we as a thread need to just go ahead and say we are making all days 72 hours. We are automatically losing 24 hours of information due to the silent nights. If we extend our lynching cycle by 24 hours unless hapa says otherwise we should just add an extra 24 hours to what we would normally do. So we should lynch tomorrow at this time. It extends the game but we get more information in the same amount of cycles I think. On April 26 2015 07:41 Damdred wrote: I don't like this exchange at all. Yamato77 was pressuring something that wasn't very relevant, past the point where Artanis proved his intention to be the opposite. Yamato77 kept up the pressure until Artanis specifically stated that his first quote wasn't entirely true, despite heavily implying this for quite some time.I was rereading Yamatos filter, and I really really like this post. and exchange On April 26 2015 07:49 Damdred wrote: At least now that Artanis has explained it, his post on me was pretty good. Even if you misread it as I did (I would hope you didn't), you still see Artanis providing a ton of quotes and then clearly stating, this read progression doesn't make sense from a town perspective, therefore Trfel is scum.There is not a fundamental difference in how to play mafia even if you aren't spending 10 hours in a game. You can convince people to vote on the person you want even if you spend 5 posts in a given phase doing so, rather than half heartidly putting shade on people as has been done previously. For example X shouldnt' be the lynch it should be Y. Is all fine and good if its met with any substantial post explaining why exactly that person is scum which doesn't take a substantial amount of time to do. For example you quoted my read on truffle and then quoted his posts but drew no conclussions at all from my post, nor the implications of what that means. This is a major red flag, nor do you give any real explanation on why they should lynch me just that I am full of fluff and my reads aren't as intricate. That is not a good reason o lynch someone What I missed, however, were all the rest of your posts. But they were actually quite good, and you clearly put a ton of effort into solving the game. I just feel that scum are playing really well this game. I have good reasons to townread every player. It's quite frustrating. Currently, the only real reason that I'm suspicious of Artanis is for his Damdred read. He did very well in Guardians by reading Damdred as town for his long, detailed analysis posts. However, Damdred saw that read, so it isn't valid any more, and Artanis should know that. Here is a detailed vote count analysis post that Damdred made as mafia. Also, here is a town Damdred filter where he does not make any long posts at all. By this point, Artanis ought to know that he can't read Damdred like this any more. Does it make him scum? I'm not sure. I need to filter dive him tomorrow, but I think he's most likely town. By "weakest townreads", I arrive at a lynch pool of yamato77, Breshke, and Palmar. Though I know that's a horrid way to play. I have my exam in seven hours, I need some sleep. I'll start there tomorrow. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
First, trfel don't be demotivated both of us are still new and i wish I was half as good as you were. sometimes you jsut have off games and it normally isn't as bad as you think it is. Second I still think yamato is mafia. There are a few things about his play that don't make sense to me from a town perspective. First of all his not wanting to lynch BH and wanting to extend the day. This is strange because he knew he would be busy on the weekends and still not having someone to push instead of BH I don't understand how he thought he would have time to evaluate the game and find a misslynch when he clearly didn't have much time to play. Secondly his rant about how IML it is important to pressure people with the vote. The past couple cycles no one has really been pressured except yamato who was not present of any of these cycles until the most recent one. yamato had time to do some analysis which didn't end up with him voting anyone or really pressuring anyone which he earlier said was vital for town to do. Basically I just see it as him saying stuff but not backing it up with actual actions. I also don't understand his artanis posts because he never actually voted for yamato which yamato seems to think happend. ##Vote Yamato | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
I don't really see what about yaamto people suddenly liked after he posted for a bit. I find most of his stuff on art to be just wrong. I can't find where art flips on yamato so im just going to assume it didn't ever happen. I like trfel more than before and probably more than rsoultin now. his recent posts have just felt really honest and its something I feel like I do as town when i feel like stuff isnt going the wrong way you just say what you feel and you don't even though you realize it comes off in a badish way. Referring to this part here specifically By "weakest townreads", I arrive at a lynch pool of yamato77, Breshke, and Palmar. Though I know that's a horrid way to play. Don't really get why palmar thinks yamato is less likely mafia than WoS now. any more explanation on that would be great. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 27 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote: bloody nose atm 1 hand spoiler explains my vote guardians, breshke looked town 4 content + reads not tone ml due 2 poe list Perhaps it was different for you, but my main reason that I considered Breshke being town that game was his tone. I even detailed it out in a post where I gave reasons to TR everyone in the PoE pool. I'd dig it up but I can't ctrl-F in my LXX filter since it exceeds 50 pages  On April 27 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote: Currently, the only real reason that I'm suspicious of Artanis is for his Damdred read. He did very well in Guardians by reading Damdred as town for his long, detailed analysis posts. However, Damdred saw that read, so it isn't valid any more, and Artanis should know that. Here is a detailed vote count analysis post that Damdred made as mafia. Also, here is a town Damdred filter where he does not make any long posts at all. By this point, Artanis ought to know that he can't read Damdred like this any more. Does it make him scum? I'm not sure. I need to filter dive him tomorrow, but I think he's most likely town. I was not involved in either of the games you linked at all, so I'm not sure how you expect me to know that. It was alsao a passerby comment, not the only thing I intend to read Damdred on. I still do think he's likely town. Breshke, Arsoul mentioned that you haven't really made any contributions this game. What do you think of that? Also, the reason for TRing Yamato is definitely in my filter. I mentioned that I feel the way he picks between reasons on reading me and discards some as poor is likely to come from a town Yamato. It felt like he was actually considering my alignment. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On April 27 2015 19:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Perhaps it was different for you, but my main reason that I considered Breshke being town that game was his tone. I even detailed it out in a post where I gave reasons to TR everyone in the PoE pool. I'd dig it up but I can't ctrl-F in my LXX filter since it exceeds 50 pages I was not involved in either of the games you linked at all, so I'm not sure how you expect me to know that. It was alsao a passerby comment, not the only thing I intend to read Damdred on. I still do think he's likely town. Breshke, Arsoul mentioned that you haven't really made any contributions this game. What do you think of that? Also, the reason for TRing Yamato is definitely in my filter. I mentioned that I feel the way he picks between reasons on reading me and discards some as poor is likely to come from a town Yamato. It felt like he was actually considering my alignment. Did you ever flip your read on him? From some of his recent postings he seems to think you did and voted him im not sure if ive completely missed this somehow or what? She is probably right if not a bit harsh. I felt like I contributed well to D1 and felt like pushing the BH lynch was the right way to go at the time like after damdred kind of dropped it I feel like I picked it up again but he was town so that isn't really a contribution. I have fallen off D2 I won't deny that but i'm trying and I think yamato is most likely scum. I can see how it would seem that I have never really pushed my own scumreads because looking back I don't think I have. The only original thing that i remember pushing is rsoul but my complete flip on her kind of makes that negligible. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 27 2015 20:11 Breshke wrote: Did you ever flip your read on him? From some of his recent postings he seems to think you did and voted him im not sure if ive completely missed this somehow or what? Yeah, I read him as town because he did a bunch of things and I remembered Marv saying that if Yamato does things he's town, then I checked a scumgame of his that had a similar amount of content and realized that my read was far too easily made and backtracked it. I'm not sure how you missed it if you reread the game. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On April 26 2015 03:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Meta is great though. Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things. Actually a problem I see in his filter is that he's droning on about the same things over and over again. First WoS, then the thing with me on waiting for Palmar/BH to contribute, and then on BH. He doesn't really re-evaluate anything nor does he share many thoughts on other things than whatever he's chasing at the time. Could prob lynch/10. I assume you are talking about this. I see how I read it wrong I thought you ment the meta of reading his scum was incorrectly used so you thought he was town. Last line probs should have cleared that up ehh. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
I would prefer WoS of all the possible lynches. Does anyone believe WoS has been actively trying to solve the game today? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On April 27 2015 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote: And where do you get 'stay alive-y' from Palmar? He's been coming in and posting at pretty random times and none of i is when he's under suspicion or anything, and you don't feel as though he has an agenda even though he's pushed me (and to a lesser extent yamato) nonstop? I don't udnerstand though how Palmar immediately townreads yamato just because of his few posts last night tbh I don't townread him. I just think it's less likely he's mafia than you, hence I moved my vote. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
I am fairly certain he is mafia. | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
Votecount: Yamato77 (2) - WaveofShadow, Breshke WaveofShadow (1) - Palmar Artanis[Xp] (1) - Damdred until the end of the next cycle. With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
hrmmm | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
Im going to go to bed now/soonish so i can hopefully be up for a couple hours before deadline. | ||
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