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On April 27 2015 20:52 Palmar wrote:
Like I wish I could just get people to take a leap of faith with me and lynch WoS. I'm not sure I'll have the pull to get it otherwise.
I am fairly certain he is mafia.
Could you make your reasoning on Wave more clear? All I've heard on Wave is his reasoning for the 3 votes on him early on, his differentiating between me and Yamato, not caring about your alignment and saying he hasn't been trying to solve the game. I don't find the former two very convincing at all. Regarding the third, I can understand what he says because part of your scumread on him is how he interacts with Wave in a way that'd make sense for them to be scumbuddies. As for the latter, that's probably what troubles me the most on Wave. He comments on a lot of things but he doesn't really push anything. He wanted to lynch someone this night as his activity dropped off but I don't think he actually voted anyone.
I may actually be convincing myself here.
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lol he disappeared the wave did :/
and now it's during the timeframe he can't post as much according to him (i.e. monday)
well he did vote actually lol >< not yesterday but the day before, voting just to vote on who i was voting, which is not a giver of warm fuzzies :/
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i may possibly actually maybe like part of breshke's post on yama that actually had something new in it and wasn't rehashing lol ><
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##vote: breshke
but not enough to think he's town, as it turns out
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I think I may be on board for a Wave lynch after going through the last few pages of his filter. It feels a lot like he's commenting on the game rather than figuring out stuff like Palmar pointed out. He's voted Yamato but doesn't really push him, and then there's oddball comments like
On April 27 2015 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Remind me why we're not lynching trfel again
When we've been talking about Trfel for a while at that point, so one would expect he'd have more specific reasons. Furthermore, his vote is still on Yamato.
I'm actually struggling with voting him a lot because he's been very reasonable to me and I like him so I really don't want to be wrong, but I do think he's scum here. His activity to influence on the game ratio is just way off, and a lot of his posts just really don't help town to figure out the game.
##Vote WaveOfShadow
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I just don't really know.
WaveofShadow has seemed really towny, but if I'm wrong on one of my townreads it's probably him.
I really doubt I want to lynch him today, but I'll take a look at what you guys are saying.
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Please let me know what you find because the discussion leading up to the lynch today is pretty abysmal.
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On April 28 2015 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Please let me know what you find because the discussion leading up to the lynch today is pretty abysmal. I will do so. Are you going to stick around until the lynch? Because it would be great to have someone to discuss things with, I haven't really interacted with people for a while in this game.
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lol i'll go back through his filter too but we really should be lynching breshke ><
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Artanis, help me out?
How does one going about catching you, if you are mafia?
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On April 28 2015 05:20 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Please let me know what you find because the discussion leading up to the lynch today is pretty abysmal. I will do so. Are you going to stick around until the lynch? Because it would be great to have someone to discuss things with, I haven't really interacted with people for a while in this game.
I'm probably mostly going to be around.
On April 28 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, help me out?
How does one going about catching you, if you are mafia?
I could give you a list of things but it'd all be self-meta and/or be considered WIFOM so I'm afraid you'd have to do the work yourself.
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Do you think there is anything to the inconsistency between WaveofShadow's claim that he never uses meta and that he actually uses meta a noticeable amount? And how he uses meta for some ( for example, Palmar), but refuses to use meta for others?On April 22 2015 23:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
And there's still yamato who's done mostly shit all but be belligerent with me lately. (I'd call him town because his current not caring about the game currently is extremely town yamato but meta so fuck that)
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On April 28 2015 05:50 Trfel wrote:Do you think there is anything to the inconsistency between WaveofShadow's claim that he never uses meta and that he actually uses meta a noticeable amount? And how he uses meta for some ( for example, Palmar), but refuses to use meta for others? Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 23:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
And there's still yamato who's done mostly shit all but be belligerent with me lately. (I'd call him town because his current not caring about the game currently is extremely town yamato but meta so fuck that)
I don't think these kinds of inconsistencies are alignment indicative.
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Thoughts on WaveofShadow
On April 21 2015 12:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
They were real reads before I realized the premise was wrong. And why the fuck do I have to call you town?
Why are you fishing for townreads from me yamato? You're behaving so oddly, and it's not even your normal hyper-aggressive early game push that Im used to.
I just wanted to wreck scum with you for once. Just once. Apparently it was too much to ask. He basically calls yamato77's play scummy, and then talks to him as if he is confirmed town. Throughout this whole early game argument with yamato77 and others, he never takes the next step to use it to investigate people's alignments, until yamato77 asks him. And then he basically gives the very same reads he started out with.
From there, he keeps probing and discussing. He asks some good questions, but he doesn't really push anything.On April 22 2015 15:52 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 15:50 yamato77 wrote:
I'll read this shit later
I've lost my general will to be mafia for today Fixed. He has a lot of reads, including suspicion on me (Trfel), yamato77, and Blazinghand, but he isn't pushing them that much. However, at this time there hasn't been a good chance for a lynch, so maybe he wouldn't push until closer to the deadline.
On April 22 2015 23:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
Assuming BH is scum think the other scum might be Trfel but I havent had a chance to flesh that out much. Artanis' read on him is OK but relies way too much on meta for my liking. What about his own read on me? He's mentioned it a few times in his filter to this point.
On April 23 2015 06:54 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:48 Trfel wrote:
I don't think there is any question that Blazinghand isn't playing to find scum here. He's obviously playing to survive, and not to find scum.
But from what I've heard of Blazinghand, I'm not sure that this actually makes him mafia? Would he play to live, at all costs, as town? Meta, but I have lynched him twice before as town with zero resistance. I have also seen him put up a ridiculous fight as town when I was scum in Les Mafia. BH plays how he wants and changes how he plays each game as he pleases. I asked him a question he never responded to: if he was Wade Fell, a smurf where he went super aggro town, or Old Partner, a smurf where he played pretty damn well as scum but fake claimed and got caught by killing the role he fake claimed. I make a point about Blazinghand, which from WaveofShadow's posts, he would disagree with. But he doesn't discuss this with me, instead he uses meta to cast suspicion on my Blazinghand scumread based on my reasoning. He's basically poking holes in everyone else's Blazinghand vote while still voting for Blazinghand himself, and I'm not sure why he would do this.
The way that WaveofShadow interacts with me here looks really bad to me. However, it has been recently pointed out to me that I am terribly biased against those who scumread me and favor those who townread me. Here's my thinking of why his stance on me is bad, but it's very possible that I am wrong, so I would like input from others.
He's basically saying that he doesn't understand how this post comes from town at all. He says that I'm trying to falsely portray yamato77 as mafia, but didn't bring up the best points on him that were brought up previously. He provides a reason for why I could be town because of this, but discounts it entirely for a nonsense reason. And finally, instead of asking me about this, he asks rsoultin, as if I am incapable of defending myself (which if he believes this is true, validates the reason that he just discounted for townreading me). This post doesn't actually look like he is trying to figure out my alignment.
On April 26 2015 03:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things.
Where did I do this? And no in my experience meta is shit terrible, and I am certainly not marv, one of very few people who can maybe attempt to use it correctly. essentially the call is are we feeling lynchy or do we wait for yamato And frankly by the time 48h rolls around im always feeling lynchy I want to see a flip so I'll sheep rsoul ##unvote
##vote: yamato77 This flip on yamato77 happens fairly quickly after he moved him from sure scum to null (for yamato77's posting at the start of Day 2). WaveofShadow said that yamato77's activity often dropped off, and here is effectively voting him purely for inactivity (at least since the nullread earlier).On April 26 2015 12:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 12:13 Damdred wrote:Sad day im not higher and you have me linked with possible scum  . I actually think Yamato is towny in his filter I did a bit of research on yamatos scum games. He's not really destroying thread here and much more active than his sxum games. He has fallen off considerably this 48 hours and that is a red flag but he did the same thing in mini mafia 2 which just ended. I don't think it 100% clears him but I think his filter is really indicative of a town Yamato at this point. WARNING: META Yamato's activity falls off in pretty much any game, but as scum it's just likely to be a hell of a lot more fall-off-y. As town he usually has some sort of catalyst that brings him back into the game whether pressure/scum lynch/something crazy happening and as scum that doesn't exist and he more or less gives up/shits things up as you said. This game has moved pretty slowly thus far and it's hard to tell here which is which even were I to use meta. The other thing about mini mafia 2 is he's probably super demoralized from it for losing the game at LYLO.
On April 26 2015 11:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
BTW, it's shit like this that made me question Trfel about 100 times. It didn't take me that long to go through the posts I had missed/skimmed, so why does it take him hours to read like 3 pages when he says he's doing it?
If anyone's around I'm up to talk, though apparently my timing is shit compared to everyone else's. Gonna reread Trfel/Breshke/Damdred/Artanis in the meantime. So, I'm his biggest scumread, and have been so for a while. But he's not pushing me, and not trying to find out about me. All he's doing is whining about other players' reads on me using meta, while not reiterating why my play is inherently scummy. And he's rehashing pointless arguments instead of actual reasons that I am mafia.
WaveofShadow's reads have been rather static, as well. The main change is his going back on his solid townread on Breshke, but I believe this read was changed after the thread sentiment.
Early on, WaveofShadow's play was quite good, but it did drop off lately (before his pre-announced activity drop). His reads were initially good, but he hasn't been really driving the discussion, investigating, or changing his reads to reflect new information. I'm not really sure what to think, given how good his play was earlier and how it changed.
I really think that I'd like to see WaveofShadow respond before I could lynch him. Given how active he's been, and how he played earlier in the game, I can't lynch him when he said he would be less active without giving him a fair chance to respond first.
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Votecount:
Yamato77 (2) - WaveofShadow, Breshke
WaveofShadow (2) - Palmar, Artanis[Xp]
Artanis[Xp] (1) - Damdred
Breshke (1) - rsoultin
until the end of the next cycle.
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
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And suddenly I have somewhere to be.
I'll probably be back before End of Day, but no guarantees. Sorry.
I don't want to lynch Artanis, and I don't want to lynch yamato77.
Haven't gotten to Breshke yet. WaveofShadow could be a good lynch here, but I don't want to turn on him so quickly after the way he played for the earlier portion of this game. I could vote for him if someone is very convincing, but I'd probably just want to wait.
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I kind of favour waiting another day as well with both Wave and a large number of other players basically being afk for the whole of today. I also want to make sure wave replies rather than getting lynched whilst afk. On that note:
##Unvote
Trfel, can you talk to me about people other than Wave too? It's neat that you don't want to lynch me but I'm curious as to the why. You asked me how to find out if I were scum. Did you do any research on your own after that?
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I'm here, worked all day with my boss doing stuffs.
Whats the plan
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rso do you really think it is weird for me to drop of like I have?
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