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On April 24 2015 13:58 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote:I'm not sure what else you want me to explain, Art really isn't helping town Trfel at this point is being pretty wordy while showing the thread that her suspicions while leaving doubt in there for a backtack for example Though I'm not very good at meta reads, and I don't have much experience playing with yamato77. For someone who was sure of this read enough o dig up old games, much doubt is put into it and distance is put inbetween in case yamato flips town. Would you rather I be confident in my play to a degree far higher than my skill at mafia warrants? One surefire way to find town players is to look at my scumreads. Here's what I'm thinking, and yamato77 is a scumread of mine. But I see ways that this read could be wrong, so I'm asking and sharing my thoughts. I could keep holding my thoughts to myself, and analyzing him myself, or I could leave it open to the rest of the thread, where everyone is better than me and can analyze this better than I can. It's a matter of honest, not a matter of alignment. I mean, if you want me to push my reads to the end of time, I can do that. If you want me to throw the game for town, I can do that as well. Up to you.
1) Underplaying yourself is one of the scummy things that I believe exists
2) The main issue is that you come out of the gate really strong on Yamato. Heres why I think hes scum, and you line up all these reasons but then at the very read you dismiss yourself and make it seem like you aren't strong on him at all.
3) How do you know its throwing the game if you push your Yamato read forever? If you think hes scum legitimately you wouldn't think you would be throwing the game, if you are scum you know that it will lose the game for town. Hence why you just said "If you want me to throw the game for town" you said for town because you aren't town.
##Vote Trfel
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Soo are you legit pushing me rsoul
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Hapy bday palmar.
I have a reason to tr Everton outside of trfel, art palmar I think.
So yea
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I'll reread there interactions but I don't think it looks mafiaxmafia.
I thought Yamato looked good early decent activity ok content, waves picked up later
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On April 25 2015 01:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2015 01:42 Damdred wrote:
I'll reread there interactions but I don't think it looks mafiaxmafia.
I thought Yamato looked good early decent activity ok content, waves picked up later What is this? Why are you instantly trying to look at them as a scumteam instead of looking at if they're scum individually? What's this unflipped association thing?
palmar asked a specific question and I answered it
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Palmar is specific they are both scum together I disagree that they can be scum together. And then explained why I think town
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You've been a big pita RS.
I thought you had me town breshke w.w
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You cant' really say I've been sucking major ass specifically when most of the player base has comparable activity to me. You also shouldn't say this just because you disagree with my reads currently.
Honestly the change on Art is pretty well deserved. Palmar is probably town in this situation though like his latest postings
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I honestly don't think hes being a dick from where i'mr eading, he was a bit of a dick to yamato granted. But I think giving the circumstances that's pretty ok at that time. Besides that hes been somewhat inquisitive and has given decent reasoning behind what hes doing and i don't see many inconsistencies in his read or motivations so far.
Though I've been bad this game theres that to.
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I'm totally ignoring you today Rsoultin on any list post just so you know, you are my top town and i'd never lynch you ever. Well maybe just dpeneds on how angry I am on you, i'll keep my options open just in case you flip scum so i can go see see i knew it.
Besides that the town list goes something like this
Damdred
Breshke
Wave
Palmar
Yamato
Trfel
Artanis
From least scummy to most scummy, I could potentially see wave and Palmar swipping slots his case on yamato wasn't really that bad, and his insistence coupleled with the push looks pretty good and his ability to troll early has me having some decent feelings about him I think.
Yamato has probably dropped off the most over the past cycle for me, it is really worrying that hes quit playing right now right when people are starting to talk about him instead of fighting against it. Its a scum trait of his that I've seen in the past so hes dropping pretty fast.
Trfel...trfel.... I thought he was town early with his postings looked pretty decent. Now idk, it looks kind of rough to me. And granted I might just be looking at something badly here, but I still think him trying to invalidate his own read and then not responding to a longer post that I made unless i missed it still has me worrying.
Art even though hes claiming earlier that hes trying not to be so posty hasn't really influenced the game I think, and honestly looks super disinterested in pushing discussion or anything related to game solving. Which is a really broad statement I know, but its just how i feel about him currently.
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Theres more thought as to why trfel is scum rather than someone who is generally more involved in a game is drastically less involved with less thoughtful posts. While its true the same can be said of me equally so of you art.
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On April 26 2015 04:11 rsoultin wrote:
okay, not gonna lie, looking back through bresh's filter it's a lot of townreads/defending people
he has no scumreads but loosely links me to yamato in the sense that we were townreading each other
but i think the oddest part to me is his day 2 play? lol >< literally for the first 24 hours after the flip he only comments on whether or not the blue role should claim, how likely it is scum withheld their shot, and presses palmar for why palmar says bresh is his top town...like of all the things to be interested in that seems very strange
although he makes it clear he's not townreading yamato, he really did never talk about him like ever...most everyone else he gave reasons for why he was townreading them, something behind his read, but not yamato
i dunnae i think the fact that he's pretty reasonable and not antagonizing people is generating a misconception of how valuable he's actually been this game...the bh push looks like mostly policy until late in the day, and he even agrees that another 24 hours may be better but he's not willing to do so lol ><
something seems off to me about breshke. his vote on Wave at the beginning, too, fell flat as a joke :/
This is interesting though
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Filter Assessment:
First page of breshkes filter is dedicated to basically talking about wave for the most part. There were two or three posts I really liked on this part, the first was asking about why wave liked one vote better than another and why did he pick breshke. I really liked the thought put into this I think. A bit of overexplaining on the joke vote though that I didn't notice.
Really playful though at the start of second page with me, and i like that. Its obvious i'm being forced to do things and i'm being an ass sorta especially towards my waifu, but plays along to get me involved in the thread. I really could see town motivation to do this. I also see a good bit of reasoning and thought for some of the town reads, and even the vote on BH isn't bad, its poe but he explains it decently well. Page two looks really towny to me honestly.
Page three is a bit hit and miss not much activity, I don't think its necessarily fair to say that bresh doesn't have any scum reads, obviously voting for yamato. And is using a sort of POE list early when not much information is in the thread.
I can see scum sorta doing this, but not scumbreshke. After reading the filter again with all of this in mind I still give him a town stamp of approval at this point.
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I'm really not sure Rsoultin.
Page two of Breshkes filter just looks really good, for example why would you get someone who is disinterested in the game involved in the game and give them content when they are a good chance for a mislynch at that point.
I just have a hard time seeing some of these thoughts froms cum breshke
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I'll be honest i'm probably not going to look in depth at his other scum games at this point, i really don't think i want to lynch him today unless you wow me here Rsoultin.
I'm not so sure that the easy mislynch in BH was available at that point though. I was the first person who really pointed out BH and pushed it somewhat. And then it sort of took off the next day when BH started caseing me.
Talk to me about someone else.
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On April 26 2015 05:34 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 05:24 Damdred wrote:
I'll be honest i'm probably not going to look in depth at his other scum games at this point, i really don't think i want to lynch him today unless you wow me here Rsoultin.
I'm not so sure that the easy mislynch in BH was available at that point though. I was the first person who really pointed out BH and pushed it somewhat. And then it sort of took off the next day when BH started caseing me.
Talk to me about someone else. -shrugs- i think you underestimate how easy it is to coast as scum on day 1  perhaps because you've been so bussy lately, but that's neither here nor there i'm not interested in talking about townreads? though i guess truffle is worth discussing...like, i'm actually still super fine with him this game >< i just finished his filter, and this backtracking y'all mentioned seems confined to the metaread portion and general insecurity? he's lost a lot of games recently (based on his own decisions) and if he's not confident in meta why would he pretend to be otherwise? not to mention just getting vig shot lol >< for anyone with an ego, that smarts (i was upset when i thought it was possible i was vig shot in xxx) my main concern is i haven't seen him lately, frankly
I'm generally not really bussy on d1, like in aperture i don't think ir eally did anything d1 so i know about sliding by d1. Besides that when i'm generally involved i try not to let anyone coast by I believe. Which btw i don't think what breshke did d1 is necessarily sliding by.
I'm fine with not talking about townreads unless you think i'm drastically off on someone in the circle i had constructed.
Besides that, even if you take away the lost games trfel never lost the sense of being right. Even in the game that i can't mention Trfel was sure of himself up to that point.
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On April 26 2015 05:52 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 05:44 Damdred wrote:On April 26 2015 05:34 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 05:24 Damdred wrote:
I'll be honest i'm probably not going to look in depth at his other scum games at this point, i really don't think i want to lynch him today unless you wow me here Rsoultin.
I'm not so sure that the easy mislynch in BH was available at that point though. I was the first person who really pointed out BH and pushed it somewhat. And then it sort of took off the next day when BH started caseing me.
Talk to me about someone else. -shrugs- i think you underestimate how easy it is to coast as scum on day 1 perhaps because you've been so bussy lately, but that's neither here nor there i'm not interested in talking about townreads? though i guess truffle is worth discussing...like, i'm actually still super fine with him this game >< i just finished his filter, and this backtracking y'all mentioned seems confined to the metaread portion and general insecurity? he's lost a lot of games recently (based on his own decisions) and if he's not confident in meta why would he pretend to be otherwise? not to mention just getting vig shot lol >< for anyone with an ego, that smarts (i was upset when i thought it was possible i was vig shot in xxx) my main concern is i haven't seen him lately, frankly I'm generally not really bussy on d1, like in aperture i don't think ir eally did anything d1 so i know about sliding by d1. Besides that when i'm generally involved i try not to let anyone coast by I believe. Which btw i don't think what breshke did d1 is necessarily sliding by. I'm fine with not talking about townreads unless you think i'm drastically off on someone in the circle i had constructed. Besides that, even if you take away the lost games trfel never lost the sense of being right. Even in the game that i can't mention Trfel was sure of himself up to that point. lol you and i have a very different interpretation of truffle! he usually writes his doubts right into his reads like an argument with himself before settling on a final alignment. i don't really call that "sure" of himself a sign that he's actually considering both sides is usually what alerts me to his being town
The post i specifically talked about I am not so sure that he is considering both sides. Hes going really really hard on the fact that yamato is scum.
Then he brings doubt in a really fabricated way, he doesn't necessarily show why hes doubting just puts it there.
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Maybe I have a warped view of trfel, but the ability to press his reads and to drive them take precedence over almost anything else in the thread when he is actually involved in the thread.
Guardians, the student mafia games. And his scum games always lacks that, even if hes wrong he always pushes.
Here...hes always second guessing himself on everything he puts out it feels like.
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Wha is the vote count currently
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Honestly your my town jesus this game Rsoultin. I think we need a lynch today
##Unvote
##Vote Yamato77
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