On April 19 2015 23:55 Damdred wrote: Oh yea? Can you show me some of that LS? And does it look like here sorta? Well he had a 1 Page filter but a single Day/Night Phase (He replaced in late into the Night Phase) but some posts that he made that I considered townie when he was scum:
On January 11 2015 09:25 scott31337 wrote:gg bud - So let's look over what rsolutin says - Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote: Okay, well...we're running out of time for the night phase, so I'm going to put my thoughts into one post.
Town reads: HTS, Tube, JarJar (less certain on my brother and almost completely certain on the other two, but he legitimately does predictions based on statistics for a living and his voting patterns have been logical and in-line with his reads)
Nullish/Do Not Lynch Day 3: -Celestial-, Scott (doc claim/breadcrumbs and AFK replacement respectively)
Would Lynch: - ExO (90% certain) his scumhunting seems more like throwing darts at a board (at the risk of sounding hypocritical) and his read progression/interactions with Trfel at EoD Day 1 especially, including the rage!fit after the flip, seem insincere to me...a good idea would be to check if his pushes start up after thread sentiment has already begun to swing that way (I know the Celestial one did)
- Shining (70% certain) for his start that I think I've mentioned a few times now, but also this oddity of completely dropping any pressure on ExO after WW flipped for no apparent reason...even goes so far as to say that there might be scum on the LS wagon but still gives ExO a bye when the only other one there was WW, says he's taking the game seriously after Day 2 but mostly just posts defensive posts and a push on -Celestial-, then finally ends with his only post of Night 2: a WIFOM game balance argument that Celeste must be scum cause this game can't possibly have a doctor (why when we don't know the set-up at all?)
- Silver (least certain) she never stepped up. could be newb play, but all I see from her filter is sheeping and I'm not getting the feeling that she cares to find scum, especially since she dropped the people she was scumreading to sheep me Day 1 (which is sad to say cause I <3 my silver ^^)...her big posts only come after she's prodded for them, contain a lot of fluff, and the rest are mostly excuses
Final Comment: With the breadcrumbing, I think that Celestial is a likely mislynch. Please, if I am not here to provide my input, whatever you decide, be really certain before you lynch an un-CCd role. I think the shining is a better lynch though and I'll explain why - So The Shining voted on both mislynches, and never changed his vote. His reasoning for voting LightningStrike was pretty weak, IMO –
Day 1 Final Vote Count jarjarbinks (1): ExO_, -Celestial- LightningStrike (2): ExO_, -Celestial-, Trfel, TheWarWaffle Gumdrop (0): Tubesock TheWarWaffle (5): rsoultin, LightningStrike, Silverarte, Tubesock, The ShiningTubesock (0): TheWarWaffle ExO_ (1): Gumdrop, The Shining The Shining (3): Half the Sky, Trfel, jarjarbinks Day 2 LightningStrike (7): The Shining, jarjarbinks, -Celestial-, Tubesock, Half the Sky, ExO_, rsoultinThe Shining (0): LightningStrike -Celestial- (1): ExO_, LightningStrike, Tubesock, ExO_, rsoultin, Silverarte ExO_ (1): LightningStrikeNot Voting (1): Gumdrop Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 10:01 The Shining wrote: Currently, a bit of this is association reads, as I think Celestial's vote on mafia(Jar Jar) will look good later in the game if JJ flips scum. I'm most sure, though, of LS being scum here, especially with that last post before EoN. For whatever reason, Mafia like to afk the vote.
##Vote: LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=31#608He AFK votes himself on LS, and says himself “mafia like to afk the vote.” Is he trying to blend in? He doesn’t listen to reason to change his vote, either. Show nested quote + As for LS and Jar Jar, I've only ever played with Jar Jar once or twice, in much more inactive games, as we all know. So yes, the walls of text posts are out of character to me, as well. I don't like that he tried to direct today with basically no follow through, either. You can't just hint at Trfel's voting me as being the reason he died, then offer absolutely nothing else up.
And my vote is staying on LS until I hear a defense. Even then, I'm pretty sure I'll keep it there. I don't believe in the VT claim and I've already stated my reasons for my vote.
He's just running some meta information - trying to stay under the radar. Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 07:57 The Shining wrote: Let me start by apologizing. I got home from work shortly after my last post and knocked out. I'm now smack dab in my weekend today and tomorrow, though, so I should be able to be more active before Wednesday. Also, I am he, since pronouns seem be coming up this game a lot. XD
"It would help if you clarified who the "someone" you're talking about is and what you're actually wondering. Could they be what?" This was RSoultin's last post at the time I questioned her. At first, I was inclined to believe she was just scumhunting when questioning HTS. But after reading and catching up, I'm leaning towards Celestial as town. Celestial basically said what I would've. It looked like she was looking for others who were different from the rest, and under the guise of town, would just look like scumhunting. The Mafia obviously knows who all is town. By jumping around to multiple people, they increase the chances of blue tells. I also don't know Rsoultin's meta on here at all to know if her town play is more aggressive here than other times I've played with her.
However, as the thread progressed, HTS seemed to lean increasingly more scummy, which makes me believe Rsoultin is leaning town, after all. WarWaffle questioned a few things in HTS's opening posts and I've yet to see any sort of response to him, although HTS has posted a few times since. And about me a lot. The more you tunnel on me, the more you hope to deflect from the points WW made about you, is that it?
ExO was leaning town for me up until the part where he said I look like scummy and called for the vig, assuming we have one, to kill me tonight. And that was it. ExO, unless you're trying to just bandwagon off of someone else's logic, I would really like to know what about my post made me look scummy? Otherwise, you're just taking advantage of HTS pushing suspicion on me and trying to garner support for it before I can defend myself. Mafia would love it if the vig would do their killing for them. You've also already put in a lynch vote. Why so quick to kill? We're required to lynch Day 1 but we still have a lot of time to gather information. Here he's trying to say "Well I read Rsoultin is leaning town" and adds a bunch of keywords and fluff. He doesn't have any solid reads in his filter (and it's extremely small, trying to blend in)- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?user=The ShiningIt's lylo 5-3, so we need to hit today or we're screwed guys. ## Vote: The Shining
On January 11 2015 10:57 scott31337 wrote:Tubesock - I'm trying to feel your point of view on Silverante (beyond the uselessness I see). Do you think she's a better lynch then Shining? Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 11:01 Tubesock wrote:I don't get anything from her list post here. I don't think there is anything memorable in it. Where is she scum hunting? When is the point in the game where your only posts are list posts inappropriate? It's a big long post (which people town sometimes) but where is any point where she shows indepth concern or thinking on someone? I definitely have problems with lacking conviction the longer the game goes. I feel every one of her reads will turn into a sheep vote of one form or another. Just like Lightning but she says nice things that make way more sense than he does. On January 08 2015 14:35 Silverarte wrote: Well! Soultin took pity on me and told me about the Filter function. Let me tell you...that helps so much. (Who knew that going page by page out of all of these was a 'bad' idea? XD) So, I think first and foremost...I owe a recap of what I think everyone is!
The Shining: You, my friend, are getting scum votes all over the place! And I'm not entirely sure what to make of you just yet. Part of this is certainly my inexperience, but I felt you defended yourself relatively well here in your second post. The first ones you gave flipped back and forth, but it looks like you're backing your decision this round. I'm neutral, leaning towards towne.
HTS: You asked my motivations and thoughts on what's transpired so far. Personally, my first thought is 'Crap, we're getting picked off!". In regards to Waffle, you're right, I sheeped (I believe this means when we're following the votes of others rather than something else, right?). I did this because the cases being made were more reasonable to me at the time. When I was scumming ExO and Gumdrop, I wanted to give them the opportunity to respond before I condemed. I can't say I tunneled, but the sudden silence on Waffle's part made me more suspicious than anything.
As for how I feel about you? (Sheesh I wish we didn't keep missing each other! Well, if I survive til the weekend, I have that off? =D) You've been very consistent and straight forward. You are a straight on town read for me. What are your assessments currently?
Also, in answer to your last post you popped up...I have never played this game before. I am a complete newbie and this is game number 1. (Soultin had been talking about Mafia games continually and I told her I'd try it out). So if it's hard to read me, believe me when I say I find it difficult to read all of you. I'll keep trying though. =)
LS: You are a constant poster, and points to you for that. You do a great job keeping other posters engaged and getting people talking and questioning. I looked through your filter through the beginning. (talk about a read!). Currently, looking through your posts, i'm reading a lot of generalization and little to no specifics on your reads at the moment. I'm growing steadily suspicious of you, particularly with your votes following the 'sheeping trend' (hee...I like that phrase), but I'm seeing little to nothing else. Can you tell me how you're feeling on the people here in, in what way you're leaning and why?
JarJar: I'm not sure what EOD means, but yes, that whole crazy paying the bills thing is biting me in the rear at the moment. Now then...let me bump back to replying to your post at me. That being said, I'm not sure if you just called me out on being scum or not. So, I'll respond as though you did and if you didn't? Weelll...bonus information? =D
I'm discovering one of the hardest things about defending yourself from that view is activity with posting. To compensate, I do my best to post when I come home and before going to work. THAT said...my vote on Waffle was indeed sheeping with Rsoultin. She wrote a good defense and looking back through the posts (which I was going page by page at the time...gosh I love filters) it made logical sense to me. And for me, that matters. That said, in defense against being scum, while I sheeped a vote, I have not tunneled towards anyone and I've been open and honest about what I thought and why. So let me direct a question or two towards you. You aren't out of the suspicion waters yet with me! =P Following what you said about voting LS, what is your reasoning for it? What ranks him above Tube or Shining? Gumdrop: I have to admit, I'm more than a little concerned about you not posting,my friend. When you show up, share your thoughts! Who's suspicious? Who isn't? Celestial: You're been prolific in your posting, and it's led me to think town for you at first. The throwing away of your vote (as you put it) still puts a redmark on you to watch. I think my biggest fret is the free town passes early, straight to the vote...and then I'm not seeing much here about trying to contribute for the town and it feels floaty about-ish. Is Rsoultin your biggest target right now? Why? Tubeshock: I'm just neutral on you. You put thought into short bits of words. I'd be really interested in knowing what you think of everyone at this point too. Are JarJar and Shining still your top picks?
The rest of his posts were lots of questions regarding reads and talking about cases from other people.
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