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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 21:57 GMT
#5902
On May 06 2015 06:56 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2015 06:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 06 2015 06:54 indignant wrote:
On May 06 2015 06:52 Inspector Javert wrote:
If you want to pick people who have made anti-town decisions obi/stutters might not be a bad fight. Yes their decisions can be explained by them being wrong but the decisions were made and that's what you have to work with.

No, I want to pick people who I think could be mafia. Stutters could be but I don't think it's as likely as the other 2.

Fine put Stutters with me that will at least will make me happy.

What is so towny about Obi?

I think Stutters is more scum than him simple as that.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 22:14 GMT
#5907
Okay just lynch me I will only have 8 HP left anyways I wont be a assist town if I alive anyways since no one is willing to listen to me anyways I the guy getting hit by the spoon in this video:
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 22:19 GMT
#5909
On May 06 2015 07:16 indignant wrote:
Everyone is willing to listen to you. And I don't get why being in the fight means we should lynch you.

sicklucker isn't willing to, batsnacks isn't willing to, Damdred isn't willing to. HF townread me before getting taken to the gym soi what the point of me playing if the majority of the active people here are brickwalls for me?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 22:25 GMT
#5911
On May 06 2015 07:24 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2015 07:19 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 06 2015 07:16 indignant wrote:
Everyone is willing to listen to you. And I don't get why being in the fight means we should lynch you.

sicklucker isn't willing to, batsnacks isn't willing to, Damdred isn't willing to. HF townread me before getting taken to the gym soi what the point of me playing if the majority of the active people here are brickwalls for me?

Well, you could try to convince them if you think they are town. Instead of this pointless martyring.

I tried to earlier but they refuse to listen.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 22:27 GMT
#5914
On May 06 2015 07:26 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure how i'm not listening to LS?

I'm telling him to use his energy in a more productive way and i'm telling him why i'm not town reading him. Hes just refusing to be useful and martyring everywhere.

I tried telling you guys who my mafia is but you guys refuse to look at my reasons.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 22:28 GMT
#5915
On May 06 2015 07:26 Damdred wrote:
IDK why LS is even scum reading stutters or what not anymore I don't think its even been talked about this phase?

It's in my filter. He used his ability on the towniest of all town(HF) with a shitty explanation plus he been very unproductive the last 144 hours and his content is pretty meh.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 22:30 GMT
#5919
On May 06 2015 07:29 Damdred wrote:
This is the first day we've even had an active lynch, and I haven't seen you post anything about why X is mafia only complaining that people are scum reading you for being lazy etc.

I been telling you guys that my reasons were in my filter................................... I just tldr'd it.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 22:31 GMT
#5920
On May 06 2015 07:30 Damdred wrote:
1) I stil don't understand why mafia would do that and CLAIM doing that to HF.

2) People are wrong all the time.

3) Almost everyoens content is meh over the past 2 cycles though.

Gotta give me a bit more explanation

His content been meh the entire game, claimed to hit HF it looks so dumb to do as Mafia but he's a new player I would expect him to do it.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 22:41 GMT
#5924
On May 06 2015 07:36 Damdred wrote:
And honestly his read progression and vote on sandroba looks REALLY natural d1.

So gotta talk me through everything in depth

His read on me was Omgus while my read on him wasn't.
He was coached in Student VII which only people with 4 or less games played can get that why I consider him a new player.
His shooting thing on HF was a terrible idea since everyone including scum was townreading him and he was the leader I can see a rookie mafia make that mistake.
Lurked the last 144 hours and not interacting with others as much as town should.



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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 22:47 GMT
#5929
Correction I just look in the database and saw he like 20 games in there brb checking his scum meta and town meta.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 22:48 GMT
#5931
On May 06 2015 07:47 Inspector Javert wrote:
LS if my vote is bothering you that much all you have to do is convince me yamato is the better lynch. It's hardly the monumental task you're making it out to be.

I willing to policy Yamato because he haven't produced anything this Day Phase.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 22:51 GMT
#5933
On May 06 2015 07:49 Inspector Javert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2015 07:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 06 2015 07:47 Inspector Javert wrote:
LS if my vote is bothering you that much all you have to do is convince me yamato is the better lynch. It's hardly the monumental task you're making it out to be.

I willing to policy Yamato because he haven't produced anything this Day Phase.


What do you think about the people who said d1 that yamato's scum meta is promising activity and then not delivering?

It might actually apply here. Anyways I still checking out Stutters meta and will report back as soon I 3 of his latest town games and all 3 of his games as scum.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 23:18 GMT
#5937
Okay guys I found something interesting about Stutters meta which he busses his teammates as Mafia in 3 of his games as scum and OMGUS scumread a person in 1 game and here the quote of his OMGUS read on Waveofshadow in Basterd Mini Mafia:
On July 03 2013 00:18 Stutters695 wrote:
Any red emphasis is mine

Well WoS's most recent post has me thinking he might be scum.

I'm literally WoS' only scum-read this game. He jumps on my wagon and sheeps Vivax and Rayn (with his only unique reasoning being that I didn't feel like translating his worthless posts in French because I was phone posting).

He twice emphasizes his doubt of my wagon by virtue of four people already being on it.

BUT WAIT
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 03:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol speaking of Rayn grasping at straws, (somebody mentioned that earlier..?) I certainly love his case on me.
For a guy who talks a lot about towny perspectives, he doesn't even remotely consider the fact that me saying I have nothing to say can be from a towny perspective at all, cause, you know, I had nothing to say at the time. The contradiction he comes up with is not a contradiction at all in my eyes, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, right?

I also especially love how hard he pushes me as his main scumread.
I'm still not convinced that he is scum though and I want to look closer when I get the chance at his very recent scumgame as compared to something like CC.

Stutters I was thinking of unvoting you but your recent post gives me pause. You just look so afraid to take a stance on anything. C'est scummy.

Ladies and gents I'm out until later tonight; kid is at the grandparents for the night and you can sure as hell bet I'm not spending free time with the wife at the computer.

He literally hasn't taken a stance on anything to this point and waffled on me because the wagon was too easy when thats literally the exact same thing he said my most recent post was scummy for.

After that he does his summary thing which shows no real analysis just worthless summaries of what we already know.

Show nested quote +
Wat is this waffly shit? So no read on me, he thinks Vivax looks bad but ACTUALLY I don't want to kill him, and the tone of that last sentence makes me laugh. 'Guys we should probably kill JarJar, if that's ok with you........' Maybe that's me reading into it a bit too much but there's a difference between 'We need to kill JJD right now.' and 'We really should kill JarJar......' Its those damn ellipses or something.
Yeah I'd defs lynch Lazer atm.

Worth noting though is he attacks Lazer for saying Vivax is scummy but he still wanted to lynch JJD because Vivax is active and although his tunneling felt scummy it isn't a scumtell of itself. Maybe I'm misinterpreting him, but half his points against Lazer are for using ellipses? Seriously. Also note despite saying he'd lynch him at this point, he doesn't mention Lazer again in his filter.

He follows that up with indecisive posts on Vivax and Rayn.

Finally his players he wants to look into post:

Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Players I want to look into/talk to when I get the chance:
Marv - I find personal interaction with him to be the best way I get a read of him; I don't know what his scum game looks like so I'm still kind of wary about him.
Fuba - His townplay was really strong in Roulette and I see bits and pieces of it here but his lack of activity muddled it up somewhat, and it's different than the lack of activity he exhibited in Roulette. In that game he came in strong and performed strong analysis when necessary....here there was much more fluff to his posting that rubs me the wrong way amidst the good posts.
Stutters - Still think he's scum. His performance is a lot better than the half of the game I was there for but there's still stuff like this:
On July 02 2013 03:31 Stutters695 wrote:
I explained why I disagreed with your case. Truth be told I haven't scrutinized his play too much since then but I don't think his "slip" if you want to call it that is indicative of anything, at least not on its own.

I'll read up on WoS/Lazer but is there a particular thing you don't like about my Fuba case?

Never gives the aforementioned reads and his 'case' on Fuba is incredibly weak and only points out the glaringly obvious that many had pointed out earlier. The conclusion makes sense somewhat as I agree that Fuba's regular analysis was lacking here and all the conclusions he reaches amount to 'I'm not sure',' but it's not much of a case and I could see it as a bus.
Then Vivax comes in and critiques the case a little and what happens?
On July 02 2013 03:45 Stutters695 wrote:
I can understand that. Probably a little bias on my part but it just seems so scummy to me. I'll see how he responds and what he comes back with but he's definitely on my short list for d2.

Immediately ready to drop it and push it to the backburner instead of coming back and trying to push it more strongly. This is not a towny who has a strong scumread, this is scum who was hoping he could do some weak analysis and then jump on sheep someone else.



Marv - "I dont know so I'm going to look at him" very helpful
Fuba - Says the same thing I and multiple others have said. Notice that, once again, there is no conclusion only observations.
Me- Hey a definitive stance! On me again .

Here's why I think this is scummy.

First, obviously how non-committal he is while also using that as his sole point against me.
Second: Blatant misrepresentation.

I still maintain my case on Fuba is pretty damn strong, he still is doing exactly what I laid out. That one is subjective though, whatever. "Never gives the aforementioned reads": This one bugs me. He completely ignores that I agreed with Vivax's case AND provided additional information that helped to secure his lynch pre-claim. Obviously it was wrong and forced a claim which sucks, but that is taking a stance.

Notice how he also tries to pin promised reads on me when I said "I will read up on them later." Blatant misrepresentation to strengthen his case.

The last part of his post is taken completely out of the context of the thread to make me look worse. I was on the chopping block at that point and would have been mislynched through towns passivity. Vivax had been expressing his disagreement with my Fuba case for hours and we had town reads on each other. I needed to work with someone to find a good lynch to both stop my mislynch and maximize the odds of hitting scum.

but on the other hand after looking through his town games he post less as town than scum and had similar process in his reads to this game too esp his latest game when he tunneled someone so in conclusion: He TOTES TOWN Yamato on the other hand needs to step up and so far failed to deliver his promise.
##Unvote
##Vote: Yamato77
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 23:21 GMT
#5940
On May 06 2015 08:19 Damdred wrote:
Actually I think we have to lynch Yamato and stutters

No we don't lynch Stutters we lynch Yamato. Stutters has been known as a infrequent poster regardless of his alignment from my research into his meta.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 23:22 GMT
#5942
Stutters I sorry about misrepresenting you earlier I feel bad
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 23:23 GMT
#5946
On May 06 2015 08:22 Damdred wrote:
lol you don't even ask me why

I can argue with you about Stutters but he's totes town by meta.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 23:33 GMT
#5951
On May 06 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:
N1: HF takes 6 damage (factional kp assumption)
FF is tracked to Xatalos and Rsoultin (rolecheck possible on Rsoultin)
Rsoultin is hit for 2 dmg and Roleblocked (Matches up to my ability and not Vivax roleblock)
Xatalos is hit for 12 Dmg
Indignant is hit for 12 dmg
Marv is hit for 7 Dmg
Vivax claims 2 dmg and roleblocked (Damdred claims this block)

D2: Jat is healed by FF for an unspecified amount
FF is flipped
JAT takes 3 random dmg at eod

N2: Rsoultin Is Roleblocked and takes 0 dmg (?)
Sepu takes 2 dmg and Roleblock (Damdred claims dmg) Stutters redirects dmg from HF PGO to Sepu for 6-7 (?) HF claims dmg is missing.
HF takes 8 dmg (Stutters claims)
JAT receives 6 Dmg
Breshke receives dmg
Shining receives 6 dmg
Marv receives 12 dmg (?)
(Marv Dies)

D3: Vivax is flipped roleblocker
Sepu faints mysteriously
Shining takes 3 dmg randomly eod

N3: HF disappears from game
Damdred takes 3 dmg
Rsoultin takes at least 10 dmg (?)
Shining takes at least 3 dmg
Lightninstrike takes 1 dmg
Yamato Roleblocked and takes 2 dmg

Actually I take back what I said about stutters st this point I just got my spreadsheet and I think it partially clears him. I corrected it and put in the correct Marv dmg. I want to point something out though.

N1- 5 Mafia Faction don
N2- 4 Mafia Faction done
N3- 2 Mafia Faction accounted for

The pattern is off. We are either missing a mafia KP or we are missing a third party action.

We should lynch Yamato today

Which one you think and why?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 23:34 GMT
#5952
Also Damdred sorry about being a ass earlier. Is there anyway I can make up for it?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 23:38 GMT
#5955
On May 06 2015 08:36 Damdred wrote:
I'm sort of assuming basically that mafia needed to blow two kp to take out Rsoultin, and could use a small ability on shining.

And we have an anti-town kp going somewhere. Its an assumption and jat will probably rail me for it XD

Who knows lol.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 05 2015 23:42 GMT
#5957
On May 06 2015 08:40 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2015 08:38 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 06 2015 08:36 Damdred wrote:
I'm sort of assuming basically that mafia needed to blow two kp to take out Rsoultin, and could use a small ability on shining.

And we have an anti-town kp going somewhere. Its an assumption and jat will probably rail me for it XD

Who knows lol.


Well I mean it sort of makes sense with all the small damage that went out last night that that's what happened.

True. But the puzzling part is why I only took 1 damage instead of more.
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