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BH uses yarrow stalks for his RNG. It is a multi-millennia old practice.
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On March 25 2015 07:57 Blazinghand wrote:
Your gossip flows like water. I am the mighty salmon that swims against the stream. I defy you.
The crowded salmon devours it's brood. The thoughtful salmon praises the stream.
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On March 25 2015 08:22 GreYMisT wrote:
My roles will break you like reeds upon the mountain
You can break your reeds on my mountain. 
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On March 28 2015 08:27 Sepulchre wrote:
Finding mafia would be a plus, but seems secondary.
This is backwards. People should vote me so I can lynch this person.
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On March 28 2015 11:30 Sepulchre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 11:19 yamato77 wrote:
I want to lynch sicklucker.
Vote me for that, I guess. Well that's the best campaign platform I've seen so far, at least. LightningStrike, in addition to comparing the meta of completely different people being a rather poor idea, I'm farily certain you're also confusing rsoultin for rikoty.
I thought this platform was better:
On March 28 2015 10:09 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 08:27 Sepulchre wrote:
Finding mafia would be a plus, but seems secondary. This is backwards. People should vote me so I can lynch this person.
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@Sepu I want to lynch you because scum hunting isn't your top priority. Why can't you respond to this?
Why do you like exo so much?
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On March 29 2015 01:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
I remember not liking exo btw
Think it was him just saying general shit that has no bearing on anything
We maybe have things in common. I don't like exo for similar reasons as sepulchre:
On March 28 2015 20:48 ExO_ wrote:
I think we're getting a bit distracted. The little squabble HF/Rsoultin is having isn't being productive right now. And while it's important to find scum I think it's more important to focus on who we're electing today. It's a bit rough right now since this game seems to really be off to a slow star and we've yet to here from a lot of people.
On March 28 2015 21:13 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 21:04 Chezitwo wrote:On March 28 2015 20:48 ExO_ wrote:
I think we're getting a bit distracted. The little squabble HF/Rsoultin is having isn't being productive right now. And while it's important to find scum I think it's more important to focus on who we're electing today. It's a bit rough right now since this game seems to really be off to a slow star and we've yet to here from a lot of people. This is very wrong. The little squabble is one of the only things I've managed to get a lean out of someone one way or another, so it's one of the most useful things that's happened in the thread. And if you find mafia, you know who to elect. You cannot possibly know who to elect without finding mafia. You could argue it's the same thing, but you need to find town more than mafia (for this particular day 1 setup). 3 really townie people specifically. I'd say its easier and more important to focus on finding and electing the 3 most townie people. In my opinion getting really solid reads on scum is damn near impossible on day 1. It's a crapshoot of people spewing meta reads and bullshit. However I think certain people almost always stick out as super townie. Right now I'm not seeing the super town people. So until I think we're in the right direction as far getting townies elected that's what I'm going to focus on.
He would rather focus on the election than finding scum. Also he says getting really solid scum reads day 1 is near impossible, he says day 1 is "a crapshoot of people spewing meta reads and bullshit," yet he believes we will almost certainly be able to find 3 highly probable townies.
I don't think finding 3 probable towns is easier than finding 1 probable scum, especially if day 1 is "a crapshoot of people spewing meta reads and bullshit." How do you even find townies without scumhunting first?
Chezitwo is correct one can not possibly know who to elect without finding scum FIRST. It is the most important thing to focus on.
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ebwop my last post: it's "easier" (don't know if that's the right wqord) for mafia to find town than mafia.
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On March 29 2015 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
HF play SG with me later. Otherwise I'll end up playing Hots or some shit.
Also somebody talk with me a little about something
I said something to you on the last page.
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On March 29 2015 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't do more than just exist while at work really. I just feel like socializing.
Let's see
Wouldn't lynch Hapa cause he just hasn't done enough to call him out I mean maybe that's on purpose because he knows he's easy to read when he does post?
Kita I can never read.
Bats what did you say?
And yeah if you're on later I'll play Hots SG or voice whatever. Last night when I got back everyone was playing resistance which I don't like much
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=33#642
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On March 29 2015 02:57 Keirathi wrote:
Just woke up and reading through the thread....
What the fuck, how can people actually think ExO_ is scum? That's the most baffling thing in the thread so far.
Fallout is cool and all and I'm sure you're happy he's townreading/joint-running with you but exo's game plan for d1 is scummy.
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On March 29 2015 03:10 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 03:04 batsnacks wrote:On March 29 2015 02:57 Keirathi wrote:
Just woke up and reading through the thread....
What the fuck, how can people actually think ExO_ is scum? That's the most baffling thing in the thread so far. Fallout is cool and all and I'm sure you're happy he's townreading/joint-running with you but exo's game plan for d1 is scummy. It's not even about townreading/joint-running with me. It's posts like this: Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 09:54 ExO_ wrote:On March 28 2015 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 28 2015 09:44 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2015 09:40 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 28 2015 09:37 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2015 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:I will not vote for anyone based on their self-aggrandizing campaign posters. You know who I will vote for though? On March 28 2015 09:21 yamato77 wrote:
I promise not to lynch anyone who votes me.
:D ##Vote: yamatoThis guy. Scum #22/X down. X-2 to go. Case in point: Keirathi. He spent a LOT of time on his campaign post, and has spent a LOT of time telling people to vote for him, and that's not how I want the person I vote for to be spending their time. EZPZ. I already found 2 scum. What more do you want from me!? But you haven't - you've picked out random people and said they're mafia based on, apparently, nothing at all. And I don't know about Hapa yet, but I for one am NOT mafia, so from my perspective, you're doing LESS than nothing - you're actually doing NEGATIVE good for the town so far. And you're voting a guy simply because he promised not to lynch you. Potato Patoto You can say you're town and this is helping town. But this isn't helping me see you as town, or anybody else in the thread. You're not finding scum, or helping to confirm yourself or others as town. So how are you any better? 1) He calls VE out on the bullshit 2) He's in the thread intentionally focusing attention on himself. He's never played scum before. What first time newbie scum does that in a large themed game? There's like 0.01% chance that guy is scum.
1) I think the best, and towniest, way to deal with that post by VE is to ignore it. That is such an easy call out I don't even consider it a call out.
2) How do you know he's never played scum before? Someone else I forget who said he plays on another site. I doubt he's never rolled scum if he plays forum mafia on two different sites. Even if he has literally never played scum this is wifom.
.01% chance he's scum? Why do you feel like you need to exaggerate?
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On March 29 2015 06:50 Keirathi wrote:
VE: There's basically no way a scum ExO made that post I was talking about. Scum marv/rayn/hf/jat? Absolutely. But look at all of his other posts. That's the only post where he's being snarky, everything else is him posting cautiously/carefully.
Hmm...how to say what I'm trying to say...
Basically, in general if people are posting cautiously/carefully as scum, they don't suddenly break out into snark-mode just to poke at one of the vets. I find it very, very unlikely that ExO_ did that "just to find something to call out" as you put it.
What about exo's filter made you feel like he was posting cautiously/carefully?
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On March 29 2015 07:04 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 06:57 batsnacks wrote:On March 29 2015 06:50 Keirathi wrote:
VE: There's basically no way a scum ExO made that post I was talking about. Scum marv/rayn/hf/jat? Absolutely. But look at all of his other posts. That's the only post where he's being snarky, everything else is him posting cautiously/carefully.
Hmm...how to say what I'm trying to say...
Basically, in general if people are posting cautiously/carefully as scum, they don't suddenly break out into snark-mode just to poke at one of the vets. I find it very, very unlikely that ExO_ did that "just to find something to call out" as you put it. What about exo's filter made you feel like he was posting cautiously/carefully? Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 11:56 ExO_ wrote:On March 28 2015 11:53 rsoultin wrote:On March 28 2015 11:51 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 28 2015 10:54 rsoultin wrote:On March 28 2015 10:50 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 28 2015 10:49 sicklucker wrote:On March 28 2015 10:02 Crossfire99 wrote:On March 28 2015 09:56 sicklucker wrote:
Ok so I have veteran powers and im never a nk. So ill just hardclaim so we have a confirmed town as mayor Like I don't even know what to say to this. Ugh. If you really wanted to make the most of your role and be the best town you could be, then you should have tried to play well so you would get night killed assuming you are telling the truth. This is just so ridiculous...I don't care how bad you think you are. Just try and don't do stuff like this. People dont respect my town game im never a nk If I had to guess, I'd say that "preemptively explaining why you weren't nightkilled" falls under the "stuff he doesn't like" category... get out of my head xP *gets on ur head instead* Have a taste of ur own medicine woman! nuuu! -sits on head- my throne! mine! leaning town on lightningstrike lol his usual metaread for me is "she's too happy to be scum" so i can believe he thinks he's right here. more to the point, i don't see a scum!lightningstrike being this aggressive idk in Guardians he did something similar with "meta" reads when he said something along the lines of "I think ExO is town based on the Student Game we played last". Granted, now he's reading scum where in Guardians he was reading me as town. Still doing that same silly kinda meta reading back to back as scum would be silly, so maybe I'm just over thinking it. Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 20:48 ExO_ wrote:
I think we're getting a bit distracted. The little squabble HF/Rsoultin is having isn't being productive right now. And while it's important to find scum I think it's more important to focus on who we're electing today. It's a bit rough right now since this game seems to really be off to a slow star and we've yet to here from a lot of people. Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 22:10 ExO_ wrote:On March 28 2015 21:41 Holyflare wrote:
Bla bla mechanics. Tell me what you got from interactions don't ignore what I'm saying artanis I've gotten very little. I'm leaning town on rsoultin. I lean town on you as well, but not as much as rsoultin. Everybody else? Almost nothing. If you held a gun to my head and told me to pick scum I'd probably say JAT right now. He's answering questions and responding which I like, but he's not really adding information. He's not offering anything just reacting to what's there. It's the kinda thing that I think looks decent but isn't really helping town at all. Basically he's just hiding around the sidelines saying soft/safe/obvious things. It's all very different from that one post where he called VE out.
I thought the mayor campaign was pretty loud and out there but I see what you're saying I think with the safe/obvious things. That said I still don't understand town reading him.
Like, maybe you can null read him because he has contributed more to talk about than others? I personally don't understand town reading him though.
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On March 29 2015 07:25 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 07:11 batsnacks wrote:On March 29 2015 07:04 Keirathi wrote:On March 29 2015 06:57 batsnacks wrote:On March 29 2015 06:50 Keirathi wrote:
VE: There's basically no way a scum ExO made that post I was talking about. Scum marv/rayn/hf/jat? Absolutely. But look at all of his other posts. That's the only post where he's being snarky, everything else is him posting cautiously/carefully.
Hmm...how to say what I'm trying to say...
Basically, in general if people are posting cautiously/carefully as scum, they don't suddenly break out into snark-mode just to poke at one of the vets. I find it very, very unlikely that ExO_ did that "just to find something to call out" as you put it. What about exo's filter made you feel like he was posting cautiously/carefully? On March 28 2015 11:56 ExO_ wrote:On March 28 2015 11:53 rsoultin wrote:On March 28 2015 11:51 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 28 2015 10:54 rsoultin wrote:On March 28 2015 10:50 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 28 2015 10:49 sicklucker wrote:On March 28 2015 10:02 Crossfire99 wrote:
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Like I don't even know what to say to this. Ugh. If you really wanted to make the most of your role and be the best town you could be, then you should have tried to play well so you would get night killed assuming you are telling the truth. This is just so ridiculous...I don't care how bad you think you are. Just try and don't do stuff like this. People dont respect my town game im never a nk If I had to guess, I'd say that "preemptively explaining why you weren't nightkilled" falls under the "stuff he doesn't like" category... get out of my head xP *gets on ur head instead* Have a taste of ur own medicine woman! nuuu! -sits on head- my throne! mine! leaning town on lightningstrike lol his usual metaread for me is "she's too happy to be scum" so i can believe he thinks he's right here. more to the point, i don't see a scum!lightningstrike being this aggressive idk in Guardians he did something similar with "meta" reads when he said something along the lines of "I think ExO is town based on the Student Game we played last". Granted, now he's reading scum where in Guardians he was reading me as town. Still doing that same silly kinda meta reading back to back as scum would be silly, so maybe I'm just over thinking it. On March 28 2015 20:48 ExO_ wrote:
I think we're getting a bit distracted. The little squabble HF/Rsoultin is having isn't being productive right now. And while it's important to find scum I think it's more important to focus on who we're electing today. It's a bit rough right now since this game seems to really be off to a slow star and we've yet to here from a lot of people. On March 28 2015 22:10 ExO_ wrote:On March 28 2015 21:41 Holyflare wrote:
Bla bla mechanics. Tell me what you got from interactions don't ignore what I'm saying artanis I've gotten very little. I'm leaning town on rsoultin. I lean town on you as well, but not as much as rsoultin. Everybody else? Almost nothing. If you held a gun to my head and told me to pick scum I'd probably say JAT right now. He's answering questions and responding which I like, but he's not really adding information. He's not offering anything just reacting to what's there. It's the kinda thing that I think looks decent but isn't really helping town at all. Basically he's just hiding around the sidelines saying soft/safe/obvious things. It's all very different from that one post where he called VE out. I thought the mayor campaign was pretty loud and out there but I see what you're saying I think with the safe/obvious things. That said I still don't understand town reading him. Like, maybe you can null read him because he has contributed more to talk about than others? I personally don't understand town reading him though. I had a lot of fun posting the fallout propaganda. And yeah I'd love it if somebody said "that was cool, I'll elect ExO over it". But I wasn't honestly expecting it. That being said: Are you kidding me? ofc I want mayor (or warrior/rogue/cleric in this case). No offense, but I trust myself more than anybody else here. I'm not in the "TL mafia cool kids club" so me getting elected is practically impossible, but that's not gonna stop me from at least trying to get mayor. I agree with doing a community vote, and getting people elected who are going to do what the entire town wants. I know I'll follow it. But half the people here in TL mafia think they are the smartest people in the world and won't do what the majority wants because "they know better".
I'm not "kidding you" I don't even understand what you're going on about. Your mayor campaign has nothing to do with why I'm scum reading you, I only pointed out your campaign because keirathi said you were being safe/agreeable and your mayor campaign was not consistent with that. I'm scum reading you because I think your game plan today is scummy.
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On March 29 2015 07:45 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 07:38 batsnacks wrote:On March 29 2015 07:25 ExO_ wrote:On March 29 2015 07:11 batsnacks wrote:On March 29 2015 07:04 Keirathi wrote:On March 29 2015 06:57 batsnacks wrote:On March 29 2015 06:50 Keirathi wrote:
VE: There's basically no way a scum ExO made that post I was talking about. Scum marv/rayn/hf/jat? Absolutely. But look at all of his other posts. That's the only post where he's being snarky, everything else is him posting cautiously/carefully.
Hmm...how to say what I'm trying to say...
Basically, in general if people are posting cautiously/carefully as scum, they don't suddenly break out into snark-mode just to poke at one of the vets. I find it very, very unlikely that ExO_ did that "just to find something to call out" as you put it. What about exo's filter made you feel like he was posting cautiously/carefully? On March 28 2015 11:56 ExO_ wrote:On March 28 2015 11:53 rsoultin wrote:On March 28 2015 11:51 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 28 2015 10:54 rsoultin wrote:On March 28 2015 10:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
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If I had to guess, I'd say that "preemptively explaining why you weren't nightkilled" falls under the "stuff he doesn't like" category... get out of my head xP *gets on ur head instead* Have a taste of ur own medicine woman! nuuu! -sits on head- my throne! mine! leaning town on lightningstrike lol his usual metaread for me is "she's too happy to be scum" so i can believe he thinks he's right here. more to the point, i don't see a scum!lightningstrike being this aggressive idk in Guardians he did something similar with "meta" reads when he said something along the lines of "I think ExO is town based on the Student Game we played last". Granted, now he's reading scum where in Guardians he was reading me as town. Still doing that same silly kinda meta reading back to back as scum would be silly, so maybe I'm just over thinking it. On March 28 2015 20:48 ExO_ wrote:
I think we're getting a bit distracted. The little squabble HF/Rsoultin is having isn't being productive right now. And while it's important to find scum I think it's more important to focus on who we're electing today. It's a bit rough right now since this game seems to really be off to a slow star and we've yet to here from a lot of people. On March 28 2015 22:10 ExO_ wrote:On March 28 2015 21:41 Holyflare wrote:
Bla bla mechanics. Tell me what you got from interactions don't ignore what I'm saying artanis I've gotten very little. I'm leaning town on rsoultin. I lean town on you as well, but not as much as rsoultin. Everybody else? Almost nothing. If you held a gun to my head and told me to pick scum I'd probably say JAT right now. He's answering questions and responding which I like, but he's not really adding information. He's not offering anything just reacting to what's there. It's the kinda thing that I think looks decent but isn't really helping town at all. Basically he's just hiding around the sidelines saying soft/safe/obvious things. It's all very different from that one post where he called VE out. I thought the mayor campaign was pretty loud and out there but I see what you're saying I think with the safe/obvious things. That said I still don't understand town reading him. Like, maybe you can null read him because he has contributed more to talk about than others? I personally don't understand town reading him though. I had a lot of fun posting the fallout propaganda. And yeah I'd love it if somebody said "that was cool, I'll elect ExO over it". But I wasn't honestly expecting it. That being said: Are you kidding me? ofc I want mayor (or warrior/rogue/cleric in this case). No offense, but I trust myself more than anybody else here. I'm not in the "TL mafia cool kids club" so me getting elected is practically impossible, but that's not gonna stop me from at least trying to get mayor. I agree with doing a community vote, and getting people elected who are going to do what the entire town wants. I know I'll follow it. But half the people here in TL mafia think they are the smartest people in the world and won't do what the majority wants because "they know better". I'm not "kidding you" I don't even understand what you're going on about. Your mayor campaign has nothing to do with why I'm scum reading you, I only pointed out your campaign because keirathi said you were being safe/agreeable and your mayor campaign was not consistent with that. I'm scum reading you because I think your game plan today is scummy. Which part of my gameplan? I think the only thing I've said is I believe it's more important to find 3 town right now because that's who we are voting for. And I stand by that. Like I know there's a lot of egos in here that need to prove they can find scum on day 1, but a lot of day 1 reads are based on crap. There hasn't been a single case I've read yet that makes me go "yep that's super scummy". However I think by the end of day 1 I'll have a pretty good idea of 3 people out of 27 that are really oozing town. So that's what I'm more interested in. Does that mean I think we shouldn't scum hunt? No, the scum discussion help reveal who is town who isn't. As I said earlier, scum hunting and figuring out who is town is kinda the same thing to a certain extent. But as town we need to be more focused on making sure the right people get elected today. Because that's what the votes are for today.
If day 1 reads are based on crap then how are you finding townies if not for reasons based on crap?
Step 1 is hunt scum, it isn't election politics and it isn't town reads.
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Hi Holyflare
Teach me something cool
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