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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 02:59 GMT
#4472
yamato77

I tried to see if I could find a pattern quickly skimming his mafia games but I can't say I found anything very useful.

GoT - Trolly, posts a lot of gifs, a few reads with mostly short explanations.
Persona 4 - Rather antagonistic calling people names. Moderate activity.
Showdown - Completely afk the whole game with little concern about how he looks.
Survivor - Actively pushing mislynches, interacting with the thread and giving several opinions. More thread control than the other games.

In comparison, town games seem to have more one-liners but I don't think I found anything I could apply to this game.

I've only exchanged PMs with him once this game asking him hapa's bus targets. He felt hapa's use was pro-town in an attempt to redirect mafia kp on a town jat to a mafia koshi.

On March 31 2015 04:14 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2015 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Koshi is confirmed trying to blow smoke up my ass guys. I'm pretty sure it means he's mafia, but someone else should probably make that call.

Koshi is town, no worries.


On March 31 2015 11:45 yamato77 wrote:
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On March 31 2015 11:43 Holyflare wrote:
On March 31 2015 11:43 yamato77 wrote:
On March 31 2015 11:42 Holyflare wrote:
pretty obviously town

when you say obviously town, do you mean obliviously dumb?


staple town koshi

I mean, the static nature of his reads and his lack of re-evaluation worry me. He's tunnelled super hard and I'm the object of it. It's kind of disconcerting.


His change in read here seems to be constant. He starts to question koshi right around the time that he responds to my PM. The change in read I look favorably upon because thread sentiment certainly didn't point to many people being suspicious of koshi at the time so he is kinda going against the grain.

What I hadn't realized prior to looking closer at his filter was that he is providing a decent number of opinions. There is very little pressure on him while he is doing this, so its not like he is being forced to contribute to survive. He seems to be going through filters and commenting without anyone asking for it.

I was kinda hoping I would come to a different conclusion based on a shrinking pool of players to find scum in, but going with townie-null.

I've took a look at VE and came up null, but I'm going to re-read and give it another try. I might be heading to bed soon so I may need to do it in between breaks at work tomorrow.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 03:00 GMT
#4473
On April 02 2015 11:25 Damdred wrote:
Anyeay I want lying about the item and who I used it on obviously its not based ok name flavor meh, it actually had the opposite reaction I expected from it


I don't follow what you are saying here.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 03:02 GMT
#4474
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=217#4337

Anyone mind sharing their opinions? I was the only one to post a list of deadline reads and it has been 5 hours already and nobody has even commented.

Post-flip I'd bump obi up to town and yamato to null-town as a just mentioned.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 03:26 GMT
#4480
On April 02 2015 12:05 VayneAuthority wrote:
am I exempt from this since you think im mafia purely based on my role

(seriously?)


You can talk about the others I suppose. I will say that some of the explanations were kinda rushed as I was trying to get things in before the deadline. More concerned with what people think about the alignment conclusions themselves.

@HTS So is your vote 100% based on damdred's item, that clearly isn't a dt check? As for why I didn't claim to you, I didn't feel that it benefited town. I know this sounds silly coming from the guy who is asking everyone for claims, but all these claims being thrown around makes the mafia's job a lot easier.

By the way, the Moriarty pool is likely this group of players unless mistakes were made (quite possible). Not sure if anyone narrow this down further.

Sep, yamato, VE, JAT, snarfs plus the 3p claims that aren't verifiable

@snarfs are you opposed to revealing your role? Seems to be a valid discussion topic.

Also, LS's role does suggest mafia has access to some stuff that messes with investigative checks:

"immune to any and every sort alignment altering ability (including framing, godfather, miller, etc.) "

On April 02 2015 12:20 Keirathi wrote:
Oh, I also don't entirely agree with your Damdred thing. Or rather, I think you're misrepresenting it a bit.

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On April 02 2015 06:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Damdred - It probably goes without saying that I don't trust him. He promised a gun on n1, but didn't deliver. As far as I know, that gun didn't end up anywhere unless mafia is holding on to it or he was lying. As I mentioned earlier though, it seems weird that a mafia damdred would claim to need to kill gordon and then need an excuse if gordon is still around. His excuse for using the item is suspect as I'm one of the two players he claims to have trusted enough to tell about the day vig, but then suddenly he doesn't trust me so he wants to check me with this item that may or may not exist.


I think the point was he was using it kind of like a parity cop check and he thought you were the townie one and rsoultin was the scum one. He had told me in PMs that he thought she might not be town, and I think said it in the thread at some point too?


Yeah if chooses to win (don't see why he wouldn't want to spend some quality family time) then that may be less relavent.

On April 02 2015 12:22 batsnacks wrote:
@kita A lot of those reads are based on happenings in PM land. There are pieces of your reads on koshi, snarfs, crossfire, me, OWS, and VA that I can disagree with but I'm glad you shared them regardless I guess?


Well koshi is dead and obi seems to be town checked from LS.

What do you think about VA, xfire and snarfs in general?

I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 03:32 GMT
#4482
mmk going to bed. If anyone wants to post their thoughts on VE in the next 12 hours that would be cool.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 03:44 GMT
#4485
oh 1 more thing before I head out. I have slam closer to mafia than 3p. Dude ended the day simply because he could and I really don't see what motivation there is there other than to nerf town, along with preventing the jat vig and rsoul lynch night lynch if they knew about those roles.

I think there is a past game where blantantly scummy slam was actually mafia, but I will need to confirm when I have time. Maybe it was kurumi.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 15:30 GMT
#4507
On day one, VE looks somewhat townie to me. He does put in a decent push at getting elected, with SL, keir, and snarfs as his main three preferences.

On March 30 2015 02:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
My issue with snarfs is the really "pro-town" intro post with a complete lack of followup with regard to actually finding mafia and deciding on a lynch target as a town. Like, his whole thing was "I want a Warrior who will lynch according to the majority decision" but has opted out of discussing who actually IS mafia or who SHOULD be lynched today, all day.


Comparing this post to the time stamps in snarf's filter this does seem like a valid point. Snarfs doesn't actually suggest a lynch target. At the time, snarfs was also rsoul's preferred target, with LS, SL, and BH being thrown around. The need to push a mislynch isn't totally obvious at this point from a mafia perspective if snarfs was town.

On March 29 2015 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On March 29 2015 06:15 Keirathi wrote:
Yea, that post is crap.

Why is BH town? Why is Hapa town? Why is Sepulchre town?

Why are any of those people scum?

Why are you just making a baseless list post that does absolutely nothing for the game? :o

Keir you're spending a really disproportionate amount of time trying to discredit everything I post. For a "meta master" you're really underwhelming this game. Consider yourself moved down to the "lynch" list.


His read on keir is less appealing as it mostly comes out to an omgus and frustration that keir is disagreeing with his reads. Rather than dramatizing things by saying keir is maliciously discrediting him, he should have tried to justify the reads that were being questioned since they were just names without explanations.

Looking at the d1 voting, it doesn't look like anything too fishy went on. The cleric role was there for the taking against a town rsoul. Me, rsoultin, and Chezitwo were three of the four votes that pushed JAT ahead of VE late (Sepulchre the other). BH going from VE to HF and back to VE is really the only push that VE would have gotten late.

His play drops off from d2 and on in my opinion. He is 100% on keir, he is very certain on snarfs.

On March 31 2015 04:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
I AND A FEW OTHERS HAAAAAVVVVVEEEEEE BEEN TALKING ABOUT KEIRATHI, AND YAMATO SAYS THAT HE'S NOT BEING TALKED ABOUT! HAAAAAAAAVVVVVVEEEEEEE BEEN TALKING ABOUT KEIRATHI BEING MAFIA AND IT'S BEING IGNORED BY THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE FUCKING GAME!!!!!


On March 31 2015 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: VayneAuthority

May he rest in peace.


On March 31 2015 09:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean I thought he was quasi scummy yesterday and mostly absent. I'm assuming a check, honestly.


At the end of N1 post 1 shows his frame of mind and now that the day comes around his vote is based on an assumed check? Because marv happens to bring VA with a one-liner at one point?

This is the first time VA is actually mentioned by VE, aside from having him on his not lynch list. If he was scummy and absent on d1, what put him on your town list?

On April 01 2015 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2015 02:51 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 01 2015 02:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
On April 01 2015 02:48 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 01 2015 02:46 Holyflare wrote:
i didn't receive a mask from onegu

i actually think mafia had a power to bus every single action in the game

Or at least to randomize the whole item delivery. That's what I have been suspecting for a while now.

I don't know why people don't expect their powers to be fucked with when they claim them in the thread. BH PMed me in the night like "What should I do with my power" like dude are you serious?

Come to think of it, why would BH ask me that if his power is just to passively receive reports? I guess maybe he could have thought I was mafia and was trying to draw a or misdirect from me or something, but he voted me for mayor and has been verbal about townreading me. :/

BH is some kind of cop he only receives the results of 2 other cops together with his own.

I'm......removing my vote from VA. BH smells fishy and with all the bussing supposedly going on EVEN IF we believe that VA was marv's target, there's no guarantee that's who the check was on ultimately.


He does eventually back off, but he doesn't bring up an alternative besides maybe BH due to role speculation and a few comments on xfire that doesn't really have a .conclusion.

From March 30 2015 15:29 to April 02 2015 09:56 he hasn't really done anything and that's a pretty large cap of time. He seems really certain about a couple people earlier, but they disappear from his filter without explanation. Compared to yamato where he continues to post things when he is not under pressure, VE kinda does the opposite.

There are a few reservations I have based on the d1 lynch, so I probably wouldn't put VE at the top of my lynch list, but likely in the 4-5 range. Leaning scummy-null.

I'll try to take another look at the people I called mafia earlier and see if we can come up with the best one to kill off today.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 15:34 GMT
#4510
On April 03 2015 00:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Sep, yamato, VE, JAT, snarfs plus the 3p claims that aren't verifiable

@snarfs are you opposed to revealing your role? Seems to be a valid discussion topic.


Snarfs has already done so - it is not a valid discussion topic. You can take him and me off the list.
That leaves yamato, VE and Sep.[/QUOTE]

I know he claimed willingly, but I'm starting to be less trustful to take the first part as fact based on the second part.

Either way, there are probably more important things to discuss.

Do you have mafia reads to share? You can't stick to role speculation forever.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 15:48 GMT
#4514
On April 03 2015 00:38 justanothertownie wrote:
Even if I had a good idea about the scumteam me saying this might influence mafias actions today and right now this is not needed.
If you want input on your reads I can do that in a minute.


Go for it. It's probably more important to figure who the mafia team is than to worry about what the mafia might do if they're caught.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 15:53 GMT
#4517
On April 02 2015 13:41 Crossfire99 wrote:
For realz though. I got a bunch of town reads and I'm trying to do some poe, so I think some scum gotta be in this list: keir, HtS, VE, yamato, sep, VA, bat, and kita.


So all four players that I brought up as mafia are on your mafia list and now you're pushing my lynch due to a pre-flip association case with HTS, a comment from marv that I like playing mafia, and rsoul's very poor death post, which I'll have to yell at her postgame for?

Is my game plan to bus my entire team or what? Why are you basing your read on ticky tack reasons rather content from my filter?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 18:22 GMT
#4629
On April 03 2015 03:14 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2015 02:49 Blazinghand wrote:
On April 03 2015 02:47 Alakaslam wrote:
On April 03 2015 01:59 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm from the government and I'm here to help

so what are we thinking today guys? any reason to not lynch VA?

Hi there

I happen to be a more sure fire lynch frankly. I am so moody about my 90% guaranteed loss, due to my rampant incompetence (my wincon is seriously not hard) I will probably bomb town, and so it's in your best interests to lynch me.


what exactly is your wincon Slam

I have like 5! Again, my role is not hard.

Any two of the following:
Elect Rsoultin (mr underwood): check
Kill a role from a former GreYMisT game role: failed
Lynch GLaDOS: unlikely
Steal three items: decided that was unlikely and wanted to townside
Frame someone the night they were checked: wanted to townside
Be acted on by the time-traveling perfectionist: Beyond my control
Two Planeswalkers die before performing their ultimates: Beyond my control
Survive my NK ability: had to townside to be possible
That's off the top of my head; didn't have time to check my pm


So where exactly does "ending the day in a no-lynch" fit among those considering your desire to "townside"?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 18:31 GMT
#4638
On April 03 2015 02:15 yamato77 wrote:
I literally don't care about the outcome of this game any longer


So you will be replacing out or....?

On April 02 2015 09:13 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2015 09:12 kitaman27 wrote:
I'll try to get to yamato and VE's filter now.


Yes please. Your opinion on those would be really appreciated. There are only so many people left on your list if you know what I mean.


Your turn now?

On April 03 2015 01:04 Snarfs wrote:
I mentioned VE as possible scum during last day/night and was instantly told that's not possible so I'm assuming there are PMs or something that confirm him town?


Who is telling you this? They should justify it if it is true because no one has ever stated this to me.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 19:25 GMT
#4730
On April 03 2015 04:22 Half the Sky wrote:
The numbers I pulled were straight from the database thread. Unless the statistics reported to Kitaman were wrong.


Blasphemy.

On April 03 2015 04:20 Half the Sky wrote:
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On April 03 2015 04:18 Damdred wrote:
I have to eliminate Moriaty if I accept this last mission. Slam do you know who he is?

Is strongbad a good guy or bad guy in the series?


According to wikipedia, it's a negative connotation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_Bad

Show nested quote +
Strong Bad is sometimes referred to as the main antagonist of the series due to his pranks that he, Strong Mad, and The Cheat play on the other characters, and his insulting of his brother Strong Sad. He seems to be a character influenced by the American popular culture trends of the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s, such as heavy metal music and the second and third generations of video games and video game consoles.[4] Since he is one of the site's most popular characters, merchandise has also spun off of Strong Bad, which includes t-shirts and sweatshirts sold by the website.


Another reason Crossfire is likely scum. Zing.


I'm just waiting for Trogdor to make an appearance.

I guess we twiddle our thumbs for now.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 19:44 GMT
#4765
HTS also said she redirected any night actions I perfromed to herself.

Also, zzz on the VA shot :/
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 19:52 GMT
#4777
On April 03 2015 04:50 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2015 04:48 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 03 2015 04:47 Keirathi wrote:
On April 03 2015 04:43 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 03 2015 04:42 Damdred wrote:
On April 03 2015 04:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 03 2015 04:40 Damdred wrote:
Kita, Sep and Cross visited Slam last night.

I also am probably staying in game to not force the game into mylo

I think you are lying.


Oh yea? Who am I lying about?

I did also visit slam last night. Because I tried to track LS and got redirected to slam. Slam visited WoS - surprise surprise.

Why in the world would you try to track LS who was almost guaranteed town and whose results would post to thread when he died? :o

Because I did not fully believe him and wanted to confirm he said the truth.

This makes no fucking sense.

It was outed to the thread that he would announce ALL of his checks to the thread when he died. Therefore mafia literally COULDN'T LEAVE HIM ALIVE. Tracking him was completely useless and I have a hard time thinking you didn't think that through.


Yeah that was probably the worst person to track in the game :/

Anyways JAT, where you at with yamato/VE?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 19:59 GMT
#4787
On April 03 2015 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2015 04:52 kitaman27 wrote:
On April 03 2015 04:50 Keirathi wrote:
On April 03 2015 04:48 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 03 2015 04:47 Keirathi wrote:
On April 03 2015 04:43 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 03 2015 04:42 Damdred wrote:
On April 03 2015 04:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 03 2015 04:40 Damdred wrote:
Kita, Sep and Cross visited Slam last night.

I also am probably staying in game to not force the game into mylo

I think you are lying.


Oh yea? Who am I lying about?

I did also visit slam last night. Because I tried to track LS and got redirected to slam. Slam visited WoS - surprise surprise.

Why in the world would you try to track LS who was almost guaranteed town and whose results would post to thread when he died? :o

Because I did not fully believe him and wanted to confirm he said the truth.

This makes no fucking sense.

It was outed to the thread that he would announce ALL of his checks to the thread when he died. Therefore mafia literally COULDN'T LEAVE HIM ALIVE. Tracking him was completely useless and I have a hard time thinking you didn't think that through.


Yeah that was probably the worst person to track in the game :/

Anyways JAT, where you at with yamato/VE?

You can hate my nightaction all you want it is what it is and barring something extremely weird damdred is lying.


Perhaps you missed my question.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 20:25 GMT
#4837
On April 03 2015 05:10 Keirathi wrote:
This whole thing smells fishy.

Kita: who did you target last night?


Nobody -_-
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 20:27 GMT
#4842
On April 03 2015 05:25 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2015 05:10 Keirathi wrote:
This whole thing smells fishy.

Kita: who did you target last night?


Nobody -_-


.....well either nobody or everybody XD
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 20:33 GMT
#4857
lol I'm not sure myself -_-

I'll let you know when I am.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
April 02 2015 20:35 GMT
#4860
If you have something to share HF, then share it. We're not going to beg you.
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