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Then he follows up.... | ||
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Kitaman is the town leader, and Yamato and S&B got shot instead of him? WTF? | ||
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On April 05 2015 03:30 Keirathi wrote: In particular, take a look at how she reacted to the thing Damdred claimed to use that blocked rsoultin's PMs but didn't block Kita's, and then how she reacted when Damdred claimed to watch Slam and saw kita/xfire/<whoever else> visit slam but she should have known that she used her claimed ability and Kita couldn't have been watched at Slam. On April 05 2015 03:36 justanothertownie wrote: It is really weird to be honest. She kept defending damdred instead. The fact that both of them completely ignored this was concerning when I first read this, but seeing as they both flipped town, I realise the sentiment was honest. The fact that Kita did engage me via PM to probe me about my behaviour D2 makes me think he is less likely to be scum than I previously thought. But now it's DAY FOUR and I have to take into consideration that it's possible he could be playing me, and based on Damdred's play in Titanic where he also tricked me there as well, Damdred isn't one to leave too many clues for his teammates as scum, so Kita isn't out of the woods, but a general town tell is that he at least tried showing effort to figure out my alignment when people have been questioning my actions. I was very busy celebrating Easter, so my time was limited to checking and responding to PMs. I only got back home once the resolution period was already underway (FML). I used my redirect ability (and informed Trfel and Kita as such) on VisceraEyes because I thought he was one of the big question marks in the game. But VE is now dead and confirmed town. | ||
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On April 05 2015 08:10 justanothertownie wrote: Then why are you not dead? Why did you go out on your own instead of pming me your actions? I didn't trust you at all JAT, but you've flipped now. GGs. | ||
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JAT I'm going to be blunt here. I completely fail to understand your logic. My English cannot be this bad, so I'm missing something here. Kita has been effectively playing town leader. VE probably got done in by town actions and no one has claimed jack all on yamato, who was also done in for last night. You are telling me you don't find Kitas survival odd? Do you know of any prot action taken on him to justify his survival? Also you were suspicious of me. Why HF and Bats over others you found suspicious? | ||
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Did you read my latest posts yet? What makes you so sure on me? | ||
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Good night. | ||
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On April 05 2015 14:44 Onegu wrote: HtS what did you do to VE last night? I thought he was potential scum so I used a redirect ability on him. It was the same ability I used on Kita N2. If VE had taken any action particularly adverse action on someone that would instead reflect on me. Which is why I left messages with those I trusted as to who I took action on in case I got killed because of it. The reason I'm doing this is because being a very likely mislynch I'm more than happy to trade myself in if I can catch a mafia in the process. Also you're (presumably) POEing based on this not being my town game. If I recall right the only game I've had with you was Hammertime, a 9p IML vanilla game where everything is easier to grasp. I maintained in JOAT that my approach to large games is different and the mechanics in this game have confused me like hell. I already demonstrated how I was baited by Damdred (page 275 in case you missed it). | ||
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On April 05 2015 10:31 Half the Sky wrote: Voting Bats. Will try to look into things more tomorrow as well. Good night. HF, you missed my vote. | ||
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On April 06 2015 13:23 Holyflare wrote: this is the case on bh, anyone sensible and town should vote for him more likely mafia + reasons: kita: Trying to derail every attempt at people pushing information based lynches by discrediting and providing no input by himself, has all these "meta reads" but doesn't do anything with them or push them at all, s&b summed it up nicely and was killed. He even metad bh as mafia and refuses to even push him now  and hasn't done so since d1hts: keeps posting all these things about redirecting crap too all the peoples mafia reads.... told CLAIMED ANTI TOWN HER NIGHT ACTIONS LOL, afking and not really pushing, no input in relevant things, classic mafia hts (check void? for me catching her for same thing) sepulcher: has mentioned hts once in the entire game and nothing positive, no read on hts at all, says he read previous game to know yamatos power was towny and good for jat so he didn't save jat, decides to save the person he knows 0 things about even though he said if he gets it wrong he is dead, doesn't use it on yamato when he looked at the power and thought it was "obviously" saving jat batsnacks: claimed mafia to me after i told him my role (3p with checks) and instead of helping me win he was a douche and instead of saying it was a joke decided to try and say i was lying instead bh: see above On April 06 2015 13:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Holyflare is probably Moriarty. Holy shit. Not only does this remind me of how scum Holyflare tried to take out the "easy" lynches in Carol, but he's doing the same thing here. 3 of the 5 scum reads are low-post count people. It's funny how I was dinged for doing the same thing in Void (going after VA/Bats/Slam) and he goes and does the same thing here. Funny that, now. Except I've now caught him taking what I said out of context. Let's focus on the following (bolded): hts: keeps posting all these things about redirecting crap too all the peoples mafia reads.... told CLAIMED ANTI TOWN HER NIGHT ACTIONS LOL, afking and not really pushing, no input in relevant things, classic mafia hts (check void? for me catching her for same thing) I have said multiple times now that I am using my ability to redirect FROM my target's actions ONTO myself. JUST THE OPPOSITE of this claim. I am redirecting "crap" FROM all the people's mafia reads TO myself. I am taking 100% risk by incurring any adverse effect from a potential scum. Why am I doing this? Largely because I'm being widely scumread, and with how severely limited my time is playing this game (Easter namely screwing over my playtime this weekend, with the only TL time being spent on moderating my own game) that's honestly the best I can do for this town atm. If I trade myself in at night, save a more towny person that could be targetted adversely, and get someone caught out, it's much better than getting myself mislynched. The fact I've been actively trying to get myself hurt/killed should be a huge indicator I'm not mafia. The fact you are blatantly ignoring this tells me there is something wrong. Now it's regrettable I got VE killed, but if you understand the rationale for my actions you should understand why this cannot be a mafia agenda. The only thing I am guilty of in this case is misreading people, and you amongst a few others should know my town play isn't the best town play in the world. Except you do, and your listpost clearly shows that you are trying to take advantage of us. As for my lack of posting, if people choose not to believe that I've been massively hurt by RL, there's nothing I can do about this. Which leads me to how Crossfire is pushing me on the dead people's reads. It's funny how he picks Keirathi and Marv - the former of whom has only played twice with me and the latter who has admitted he has a hard time reading me instead of LightningStrike, also a confirmed town, who has played more games with me than the other two combined and knows how to read me extremely well regardless of alignment, regardless of postcount, regardless of my agenda. Not that he'd know that about LightningStrike but his selective criteria is astonishing. | ||
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I realise my gameplay has been problematic for some people, but I definitely have an issue with how Holyflare is opportunistically trying to take me down, I have honestly stumbled through this game, with reads and figuring out whom to trust. The winning together argument makes no sense as third party, lynching me wins the game for scum, as third parties are also endgamed as I understand it. So his gameplay is a scum agenda. My vote is on Bats. I am also willing to vote down Holyflare given how he's hijacking things. EoD is 1am for me but being in and out, I will try and check my phone as best as I can and take questions. Should be settled by 11pm and try and just figure out whatever I can. If people want to know why I trusted Trfel, I made the same mistake as I did Damdred. Goes back to just me being blown out of the water this game. I'm on phone now, but when I get to my laptop in a few hours I will get my PMs from Trfel and walk you lot through everything. Honestly if Crossfire is voting me down and he's (tunnelled) town, to be blunt, this game is already over. We don't know how scum are voting because of the hidden vote. | ||
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On April 07 2015 01:21 Holyflare wrote: why do you keep calling my play a scum agenda but then not commenting on anything i say..............? Already did. You keep repeating largely the same thing. | ||
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On April 07 2015 01:21 Crossfire99 wrote: No, if we do that we have no chance of winning. As town we need all the help we can get. We need to lynch someone who is not batsnacks. Mafia still get 2 kp tonight no matter what. We need all the kp directed towards them we can muster. If that is from VA, then that is fine. Please do. You know it would be so much more satisfying to lynch HtS. We're in lylo. You realise there are 4-5 scum left (likely 5 given past games). Aside from me, who else are your scumreads? If you're town and not moving your vote off me, this game is over. There won't be a night phase. If you're scum, then keep doing what you're doing. | ||
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On April 07 2015 04:21 Onegu wrote: How much interactions have you had in PM land? And how is she confirmed? That's the problem I have with Holyflare. There's a huge difference in wanting to win the game, versus actually wanting to win the game for town, and he's clearly not in the latter category. The spam meta is also a huge problem and nearly anyone can shitpost if they want to. Anyways, it's a bit after 10pm here in Paris, which means I actually have a little less than three hours to figure this out. Of course if OWS and some of the others afked their vote on me, it's gg, but not much else I can do, my schedule has been all over the place. Onegu, I've had several interactions with both Trfel and Selpulchre in PM land, and for lack of time I haven't had a chance to actually walk through the PMs like I have with Damdred. A bunch of people don't seem to understand why I trusted Trfel, so let's start with that first. Hang tight whilst I sum up things. | ||
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On April 07 2015 04:12 Onegu wrote: Yeah ok this makes no sense. Like I have not had any PM with this guy past maybe day2 and only one message. Like I have been obv town since d2 so anyone not talking to me in PM land I am suspicious of. Fair enough if you're lynching me for the same reason, just mind, I talked with you D1 though about the mask. Had zero time D2, literally only responded to two PMs and that was it. Wanted to talk to Keirathi too but just didn't have the damn time Saturday. Aggravating, but if you want to know why I didn't interact with you D2, well I didn't interact with hardly anybody. (Still going through the Trfel stuff, think I have another 10 or so to go through) | ||
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On April 07 2015 05:29 Holyflare wrote: and besides WHO GIVES A SHIT, hts doesn't know anything to do with trfel helping get majoras mask or anything, all she knows is that trfel is claimed anti town 3p and nothing more you can absolutely NEVER trust someone who has a claimed power that they can guess a mafia nk and win the game if it's right... NEVER NEVER NEVER they just talk to mafia and coordinate and win because they are ANTI TOWN Actually I do because this was one of the things Trfel and I discussed in PM. That will be in my walkthrough. | ||
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On April 07 2015 05:39 kitaman27 wrote: You must realize that talking about Trfel is about the least relevant thing right now? I also think it's pointless but at least three people are trying to lynch me for it. It's astonishing really. Crossfire probably doesn't know how to read me, first encounter with him, I'll give him town points for trying to understand my rationale on Trfel. The rest of them who have played with me and know how scummy my town play can be have no excuse. | ||
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