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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 04:52 GMT
#1402
I just went back and read LS's filter from JOAT, and it feels pretty different.

What makes him to certainly scum?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 19:09 GMT
#1784
On March 30 2015 04:04 ritoky wrote:
I voted for LS since I can't vote for myself, and he is an uncc'd role.

really if you're voting anyone other than me or LS you really need to splain.

This is a greymist themed game. mafia are *ALWAYS* given safeclaims. and everyone is a role. being "un-cc'd" means absolutely nothing. "Counterclaim" doesn't even make *SENSE* in the context of this game.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 19:18 GMT
#1800
On March 30 2015 04:07 Hapahauli wrote:
First things first, I'm starting anew. None of this Kita/BH stuff.

Second things seconds, we are 100% killing Trefl tomorrow.

He posted his scum-case on Sicklucker...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=41#808
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:
...
sicklucker

It's obvious that what sicklucker's play has been scummy. The question is whether or not it is alignment indicative. I think that it is.
On March 28 2015 09:56 sicklucker wrote:
Ok so I have veteran powers and im never a nk. So ill just hardclaim so we have a confirmed town as mayor
Why would sicklucker do this?
  • As town, sicklucker's claim is intended to get a confirmed town (himself) on the adventuring party. Another possibility is that he actually has extremely strong powers, and wants to ensure that he survives. It is possible that he did this for both of these motives.
  • As mafia, sicklucker's claim is intended to try to get elected to the adventuring party, and to explain why he is not night killed in this game.
And the explanation for this play from town!sicklucker makes no sense.

Sicklucker didn't make any effort to push his campaign for the adventuring party. If he is willing to claim one of his abilities early on, I expect him to follow through and push this correctly. He posts the following:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 28 2015 10:50 sicklucker wrote:
0 votes on me a confirmed town. Ya ok
On March 28 2015 10:54 sicklucker wrote:
If i knew this was gonna be a popularity contest and not a give it to a town contest I probably wouldnt have claimed
On March 28 2015 10:56 sicklucker wrote:
You guys better at least make me the cleric or ill question your intelligence.

And doesn't mention it again. Clearly he gave up on his campaign very early on. And since he's already invested in it, this makes no sense. He clearly had no plan for pushing, and not even a desire to interact with people and explain himself.

Furthermore, sicklucker himself stated that he never gets night killed.
On March 28 2015 10:55 sicklucker wrote:
Rsoutin im never nked ever. Like ever I been nked once ever and it was in your first newbie game. im not going to be nked in a 27 player game. Not ever
So, if he really does have strong powers and needs to survive, he simply wouldn't say anything, and that would accomplish this for him.

In conclusion, sicklucker has a good chance of being mafia here. His play doesn't come from a town perspective.


... in which he makes a fairly reasonable post wrapping up why sicklucker is "mafia."

However in his next post is what makes me want to lynch him:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 16:06 Trfel wrote:
First off, apologies for this post being short. I'm rather sleepy, and I'm really busy tomorrow, so I can't guarantee much more from me until after the deadline.

I'm not convinced that LightningStrike is scum here. He made a bunch of null reads, but his early push on rsoultin was rather townie. He seems to be trying hard in this game, and I don't want to lynch him.

For now, I think that Holyflare is the best vote. He seems very towny, and he has been actively leading the thread. He's also said many of the same thoughts that I have had. His lynch candidates also generally line up with mine. I also trust Holyflare with whatever abilities are given to him by the adventuring party role.

##vote Holyflare

I personally like a sicklucker lynch. He's basically claimed third party.

As for Hapahauli: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........................

I don't want to lynch Half the Sky yet, either. I am fairly confident in reading her in a longer game, using the tell that Holyflare developed: "boring Half the Sky is mafia". I am not convinced that Half the Sky has been given enough time to be interesting in this game yet.


He wants to lynch sicklucker because he's 3rd party. That's a big nono. Mafia want to lynch 3rd parties. Town generally are looking for mafia first. It doesn't help that the rest of his post is basically summary and non-committal reads on LS, myself, and HtS.

Why tomorrow and not today?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 19:19 GMT
#1802
On March 30 2015 04:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
let's comment on that guy we want to lynch post instead of that guy we don't want to lynch shoddy reasoning for town reading ls


Fair enough.

So...Trfel/Keirathi?

Wait what? Since when am I your scum read, and why?

Last thing you said about me was "I'm probably going to vote keir for warrior".
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 19:31 GMT
#1817
On March 30 2015 04:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 04:19 Keirathi wrote:
On March 30 2015 04:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On March 30 2015 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
let's comment on that guy we want to lynch post instead of that guy we don't want to lynch shoddy reasoning for town reading ls


Fair enough.

So...Trfel/Keirathi?

Wait what? Since when am I your scum read, and why?

Last thing you said about me was "I'm probably going to vote keir for warrior".


I asked HF about this earlier and I said I'd look into it. You've mostly dropped off after a reasonably good early day 1 and only came back to talk about either irrelevant stuff or you've discussed things that never got followed up on.

I remember you talking about LS and asking why we wanted to lynch him, but you never got an answer and never seemed to really care about it.

Then you only really showed up to talk about roles.

There are definitely other people I'd lynch first, but it seemed like you started out really strong and then kind of fell off, which is what I'd kind of expect after JoaT.

There's a huge difference. I've already put in way more effort here than I did in the entirety of JOAT. And besides that, the "strong start" from JoaT was all during night 1. I basically had like 10 posts in all of day 1.

The drop off in activity can simply be explained by the fact that I didn't have to work Friday night, and I did last night.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 19:32 GMT
#1819
Yo Hapa, am I scum? Gogo.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 20:12 GMT
#1895
On March 30 2015 05:08 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why VE is town? I am not saying he is mafia. Just tell me what he is.

VE is reasonably likely to be town. He "cares" more about people calling him town when he's town than when he's mafia. When he's mafia he just ignores people calling him out and does his own thing.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 20:13 GMT
#1897
On March 30 2015 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
KEirathi is 100% guaranteed to be scum at this point.

Although he's still terrible at reading me
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 20:19 GMT
#1921
On March 30 2015 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 05:17 Blazinghand wrote:
ok I'm back and there's 50 more pages. I really am not a fan of all this reading guys so I'm just not gonna do it

looks like lead mayoral candidates are hf, ritoky (who has a deal with rsoultin judging by voting), and VE and Koshi. since I'm lazy anyoen want to tell me what the platforms are?

HF rito and Rso have intimated interest in lynching you. I want to lynch Snarfs. The decision is an easy one.

If I'm 100% mafia, why don't you want to lynch me?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 20:20 GMT
#1930
On March 30 2015 05:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 05:19 Keirathi wrote:
On March 30 2015 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 30 2015 05:17 Blazinghand wrote:
ok I'm back and there's 50 more pages. I really am not a fan of all this reading guys so I'm just not gonna do it

looks like lead mayoral candidates are hf, ritoky (who has a deal with rsoultin judging by voting), and VE and Koshi. since I'm lazy anyoen want to tell me what the platforms are?

HF rito and Rso have intimated interest in lynching you. I want to lynch Snarfs. The decision is an easy one.

If I'm 100% mafia, why don't you want to lynch me?

Because I might be wrong about you. I'm probably not about Snarfs.

100% implies you're sure you're not wrong though!
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 20:21 GMT
#1934
On March 30 2015 05:20 Koshi wrote:
And chances are bigger I am wrong on a lot than that I am right on a lot.

hahahahahhahaha

<3 Koshi
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 20:25 GMT
#1947
So Hapa:

Why did you fuck off for the last 44 hours? You obviously were around and varying points and still did absolutely nothing. What gives?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 20:35 GMT
#1969
On March 30 2015 05:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 05:25 Keirathi wrote:
So Hapa:

Why did you fuck off for the last 44 hours? You obviously were around and varying points and still did absolutely nothing. What gives?


I had a fairly busy two days, so I was actively trying to detach myself from the thread to preserve my sanity. To force myself to "not give a shit" if you will. I really didn't want to be thinking about this mafia game for the last two days.

It certainly worked. Personally anyway. As for the negative effects, I think ~50 hours is plenty of time to get suspicion off of me.

Fine. You get another day. Don't make me sad by not playing again, k?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 21:32 GMT
#2077
On March 30 2015 06:29 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 06:28 rsoultin wrote:
Get in your lynch targets or forever hold your peace!

Hapa is not mafia.
Kita is way more likely to be mafia.

Trfel is not a bad lynch.
WoS is not a bad lynch.
BH is not a bad lynch.

snarfs is only a good lynch if there is meta proof he isn't a lazy player. Or a player that sometimes just can't keep up. I don't see a reason why he is mafia. Why can't town have a good idea and then fall off this train with 100 pages?

His "helpful" post means nothing.

From "This Town Ain't Big Enough" mafia (another game with odd lynch mechanics):

On February 25 2013 03:06 Snarfs wrote:
Ahhh yesss!! Finally a game where I'm not mafia! It's been too long. Far too long.

Obvious rule number 1: no one calls for a duel unless we have a majority of the thread agreeing on it.

Obvious rule number 2: we use as much of the day as possible before calling for duels.

Anyone ignoring rules 1 or 2 should be put under extreme scrutiny for acting against town goals.


He's not afraid to make those kind of posts as scum.

Not saying that it makes him scum, ofc, but it certainly doesn't make him town.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 21:54 GMT
#2151
On March 30 2015 06:53 Blazinghand wrote:
slam you sure look strange with that don't lynch me thing. do you agree with what I've said here?


Wat.

BH: "I am a role that has some interaction with 2 other roles but I can't say anything about it."

Slam: "OMG DON'T LYNCH BH"

BH: "God you look strange Slam".


.......wat....
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 22:11 GMT
#2223
On March 30 2015 07:10 rsoultin wrote:
i think it's more important if HF has disappeared to make sure he's not one of the three -_-

Why's that?

He's probably town. I don't think there's any reason that he needs to be around right at the deadline.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 22:33 GMT
#2312
So, Slam is almost certainly town. Assuming he's mafia and had information that whoever the warrior was that killed BH would die, no way slam goes this balls out to stop it.

He could just be making it up, but I doubt it.

So...that means that Slam is probably telling the truth. Throwing away extra lives just to lynch BH seems silly.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 22:35 GMT
#2320
On March 30 2015 07:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
im down to kill BH if it kills slam even though I dont think hes mafia lol.

wat
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 22:36 GMT
#2325
On March 30 2015 07:35 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 07:35 Keirathi wrote:
On March 30 2015 07:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
im down to kill BH if it kills slam even though I dont think hes mafia lol.

wat


Every slam post is spam to me as its just gibberish, I dont particularly like playing with him.

Then why the fuck did you join the game?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 22:38 GMT
#2332
On March 30 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 07:35 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 30 2015 07:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 30 2015 07:33 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 30 2015 07:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
No one knows what you're talking about Slam, either put it plainly or don't bother.

You know what?

Fuck it.

Lynch BH.

Lose the warrior.

Lose me.

JUST CLAIM! GOD!

I'm not trying to be difficult, but you do this to yourself! LMAO

If I claim more I need MORE protection from KP, but that was somehwo not obvious with me all liek "I can't say more ! Too Risky! And If other PEople are up, Imma speak up!"

Then don't.


Let's not lynch BH. If slam is telling the truth it's just not worth it.

This.

Even though BH is probably scum, killing 2 extra people just to lynch him today is fucking stupid.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
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