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Crossfire99
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On April 04 2015 01:55 kitaman27 wrote: Are you sticking with the jester story? Who is your preference? If HF is a confirmed liar to you, what do you think his motivation is? My honest thought is that he's not doing it to hurt town. I think night actions got redirected a lot. We have seen a lot of that recently with items, abilities, etc. I don't want to just lynch him based on that. I would have lynched him for the whole JAT and I thing, but with his sudden about face due a mistake, misunderstanding, miscommunication, whatever, I no longer want to lynch him because I really do think it was something like that. The complete reversal seems very genuine and I believe it is real, so I really do think there are better targets than him. | ||
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Crossfire99
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On April 04 2015 01:58 justanothertownie wrote: Look, if damdred is actually a jester then I don't give the slightest fuck about this game anymore because we got totally and utterly screwed by 3rd parties. That's such a bullshit role to put in a game like this. We did not have a single normal lynch this game and are already close to losing and then this happens? I mean the host is not at fault for slams unbelievable incompetence but seriously town never had a chance then. And if I let mafia damdred slip by on a fucking jester claim then I don't want to play mafia again. Did he straight up claim jester, or are you basing this on his ridiculous play right now? | ||
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Crossfire99
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Straight up claiming jester is just dumb if he is jester. Instead he could have done what he tried to do which is just make up completely wrong allegations about people visiting slam or whoever. When that would be proven wrong, we would lynch him or seriously consider it. He would then win. I don't think he is actually a jester. If I really had to guess what is going on, it is that he is sacrificing himself to protect other scum with better abilities, or the ones who still have yet to use them, or whatever. I also agree that jesters are not the best roles outside of certain special games and really shouldn't be in games. I'd lynch him and if we're screwed over by a jester then...idk... | ||
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Crossfire99
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On April 04 2015 02:14 justanothertownie wrote: See? That's why we are lynching him. Yeah, I'd lynch him. We have to. | ||
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On April 04 2015 02:31 justanothertownie wrote: If there is something to this bond thing then the mask is the only reason we could think about letting damdred live for today. Who do we lynch if not damdred? VA, yamato? Who? It's gotta be someone we can lynch. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Damdred | ||
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On April 04 2015 03:36 strongandbig wrote: So I guess we just keep going and assume he was fucking with us Yeah, well at least the day ending thing. Not sure about the other stuff. I mean *if* he's telling the truth about votes turning into kp for him, this is why he claimed jester. He had to act scummy enough to be voted to really use his role. | ||
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On April 04 2015 04:03 strongandbig wrote: Also - Geript told me it is okay for everyone to PM me copies of the PM chains they had with Exo. I don't know how I could prevent them from being altered, so I will be taking them all with a grain of salt, but everyone should go ahead and do that. Crossfire actually sent them to me already, before anyone knew that this is okay. This actually makes me more suspicious towards him, rather than less, but I would rather kill Kita first anyway Lol, I asked GreY once I saw you replaced in. Since I pmed Exo, I thought it would be nice if the replacement was able to actually play the game with the knowledge the previous player had. Sorry for being helpful... | ||
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On April 04 2015 04:16 strongandbig wrote: I appreciate it - it was just weird that you sent it to me but didn't mention anything in the thread about having asked if it was okay, made me think of a different place than PMs where people ask hosts questions sometimes. I don't think it's a big deal. Yeah, you're right, I probably should have said something in thread, so other people knew. I overlooked that. My bad. | ||
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Crossfire99
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On April 04 2015 04:27 justanothertownie wrote: If marv did not check VA then he is green btw. How exactly does your check work or is it not relevant? I'm just confused at the options here. | ||
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Crossfire99
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On April 04 2015 04:33 justanothertownie wrote: I had a one shot check: I get role and alignment. Got his role name and mafia aligned. But my sanity depends on how many people visit him except for me during the same night. 0: insane 1: sane 2: naive 3: paranoid 4: he comes up as 3rd party That's why I repeatedly asked people who visited VA to claim to me. I immediately questioned him and he told me the correct rolename at least. So if we assume noone visited him then I have a greencheck on him If marv visited him (check) then I have a redcheck on him. Since this isn't really conclusive I did not out it but statistically it would mean he is more likely to be town. I don't know if marv would check VA though. He was by far his biggest scumread. I don't know how he plays cop. So you checked him night 1 then? | ||
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Crossfire99
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I say all this to say I think there are only 5 scum left, and at least 1 3rd party (I really think only 1 though), not sure about Trfel to be honest. I believe HF is a survivor. Anyway, this means what. Right now, probable best case scenario we are in is 7-5-1 (town-scum-3rd). People that I have as town are: onegu, jat, me, bh, VA (I'll explain this in a second), Obi. This leaves snarfs, HF, Trfel, HtS, Sep, bats, and kita. Out of those, bats is definitely mafia, HtS is also mafia, kita is probably mafia, Trfel I'm going to say is mafia, and Sep (cause I say his "save" of "townie" HtS is BS), but we'll get there. Anyway, if what VA claims is true, that he will die if we lynch bats, then we shouldn't lynch bats because we lose the game if VA is town and dies. JAT seems to think he is, so I'm willing to trust him right now. Basically, if they both die, we're at 6-4-1, then probably 4-4-1, then 4-3-1, then 2-3-1 and we lose. Also, if VA is telling the truth, he must have some way to kill bats, otherwise he can't achieve his win condition. So basically, I am willing to try to actually win the game by lynching someone other than batsnacks. If I went through this progression wrong and we can still actually win even if both VA and bats die, let me know. So what I'm saying is we need to kill a mafia that is not batsnacks. The one I propose is Half the Sky. I mean look at this quote by her. LOLOLOLOL On April 05 2015 08:06 Half the Sky wrote: I realise I have a case to answer regarding the issue with Damdred, and I posted my justification on page 275 as to why I was caught up in Damdred's lie and that came from the PMs that we sent back and forth and I mistakenly thought he was town. The fact that both of them completely ignored this was concerning when I first read this, but seeing as they both flipped town, I realise the sentiment was honest. The fact that Kita did engage me via PM to probe me about my behaviour D2 makes me think he is less likely to be scum than I previously thought. But now it's DAY FOUR and I have to take into consideration that it's possible he could be playing me, and based on Damdred's play in Titanic where he also tricked me there as well, Damdred isn't one to leave too many clues for his teammates as scum, so Kita isn't out of the woods, but a general town tell is that he at least tried showing effort to figure out my alignment when people have been questioning my actions. I was very busy celebrating Easter, so my time was limited to checking and responding to PMs. I only got back home once the resolution period was already underway (FML). I used my redirect ability (and informed Trfel and Kita as such) on VisceraEyes because I thought he was one of the big question marks in the game. But VE is now dead and confirmed town. I'd lynch her purely for informing a claimed 3rd party (but let's be honest, is he really?), who has done nothing, what her action was going to be!!!! This is a player with gems in his filter such as these. On April 03 2015 10:13 Trfel wrote: Hi. I want to lynch justanothertownie! Reason: he's mafia. Do I have your vote? On April 04 2015 09:32 Trfel wrote: See, I lynched scum  Remind me, why was he scum again? On April 04 2015 10:31 Trfel wrote: Can we lynch justanothertownie tomorrow? Lynch Half the Sky! See what I wrote earlier about her treatment of kita. See what Keirathi pointed out in the quote above. Then lynch her. | ||
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Crossfire99
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On April 05 2015 14:30 VayneAuthority wrote: is crossfire on drugs? not sure why he thinks he knows my role but that is completely wrong Nope, but if i completely misunderstood what JAT was saying, then my bad. I thought he was implying that you die if we lynch bats. If that's wrong, let's just lynch bats. | ||
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On April 06 2015 11:26 Snarfs wrote: Why would we ever lynch half the sky before sepulchre? Because I'm more confident in HtS. I mean I still think sep is scum, but that is mostly dependent on him "saving" the "town" HtS. So we lynch HtS, she flips scum, then we lynch sep. Simple. | ||
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On April 06 2015 11:30 kitaman27 wrote: But sep said that HTS is confirmed town if he doesn't die from his ability. Therefore sep can be mafia with a town HTS, but a you can't have a town sep with a mafia HTS. But I think HtS is mafia based on her play, so we lynch her based on her play. Then we lynch sep based on his play once we confirm HtS as scum. | ||
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Why is what you say logical? | ||
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