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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 06 2015 20:40 GMT
#6241
On April 07 2015 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
and besides WHO GIVES A SHIT, hts doesn't know anything to do with trfel helping get majoras mask or anything, all she knows is that trfel is claimed anti town 3p and nothing more

you can absolutely NEVER trust someone who has a claimed power that they can guess a mafia nk and win the game if it's right... NEVER NEVER NEVER they just talk to mafia and coordinate and win because they are ANTI TOWN


Actually I do because this was one of the things Trfel and I discussed in PM. That will be in my walkthrough.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 06 2015 20:40 GMT
#6242
like what relevance is anything you say in this game at all? where is your drive to do absolutely anything?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 06 2015 20:41 GMT
#6243
On April 07 2015 05:40 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
and besides WHO GIVES A SHIT, hts doesn't know anything to do with trfel helping get majoras mask or anything, all she knows is that trfel is claimed anti town 3p and nothing more

you can absolutely NEVER trust someone who has a claimed power that they can guess a mafia nk and win the game if it's right... NEVER NEVER NEVER they just talk to mafia and coordinate and win because they are ANTI TOWN


Actually I do because this was one of the things Trfel and I discussed in PM. That will be in my walkthrough.


please don't waste anyones time with a "walkthrough" plz just talk to us because you aren't being transparent in a wall of text nobody will read because half the people are afk, have a god damn conversation with us where you actually talk in real time and not this fake bs
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 06 2015 20:42 GMT
#6244
On April 07 2015 05:39 kitaman27 wrote:
You must realize that talking about Trfel is about the least relevant thing right now?


I also think it's pointless but at least three people are trying to lynch me for it. It's astonishing really.

Crossfire probably doesn't know how to read me, first encounter with him, I'll give him town points for trying to understand my rationale on Trfel. The rest of them who have played with me and know how scummy my town play can be have no excuse.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 06 2015 20:43 GMT
#6245
-thread direction with townies talking- ++++++++++++++


-thread direction when kita and hts return- ---------------------------------------


gl town i'll just afk while you fuck off
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
April 06 2015 20:44 GMT
#6246
On April 07 2015 05:42 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 05:39 kitaman27 wrote:
You must realize that talking about Trfel is about the least relevant thing right now?


I also think it's pointless but at least three people are trying to lynch me for it. It's astonishing really.

Crossfire probably doesn't know how to read me, first encounter with him, I'll give him town points for trying to understand my rationale on Trfel. The rest of them who have played with me and know how scummy my town play can be have no excuse.


Can you explain your read on trfel better? I don't understand.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
April 06 2015 20:46 GMT
#6247
On April 07 2015 05:40 Holyflare wrote:
holy fucking shit there is no way you are this useless kitaman


You can't bully me. I know kung fu.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 06 2015 20:46 GMT
#6248
On April 07 2015 05:41 Holyflare wrote:
please don't waste anyones time with a "walkthrough" plz just talk to us because you aren't being transparent in a wall of text nobody will read because half the people are afk, have a god damn conversation with us where you actually talk in real time and not this fake bs


Can't have it both ways, Holyflare.

On April 06 2015 14:29 Holyflare wrote:
you have literally just flung shit in every possible direction just now and even claimed your power to an anti town which anyone reading this game would have the slightest sense to never ever ever do, jat was also mad at you for not being open about your powers to him and you made up some excuse about not town reading him (more like you never tried) you said you couldn't trust jat but conveniently claimed your power to both him and kita (who you also didn't trust) earlier in the game

[...]

if you can counter these points congratulations, I've got a good list of mafia here so to say it's anything like carol where i pushed easy lynches is terrible


On April 06 2015 13:23 Holyflare wrote:
hts: keeps posting all these things about redirecting crap too all the peoples mafia reads.... told CLAIMED ANTI TOWN HER NIGHT ACTIONS LOL, afking and not really pushing, no input in relevant things, classic mafia hts (check void? for me catching her for same thing)


I'll say it again Holyflare.

Can't have it both ways.

You want to lynch me for trusting Trfel, now you're just as dismissive of any reasoning that I'll provide. Good job with the double standard. Good fucking job.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
April 06 2015 20:46 GMT
#6249
On April 07 2015 05:46 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 05:40 Holyflare wrote:
holy fucking shit there is no way you are this useless kitaman


You can't bully me. I know kung fu.


Well maybe, not but I've watching some kung fu movies before.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
April 06 2015 20:47 GMT
#6250
On April 07 2015 05:46 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 05:46 kitaman27 wrote:
On April 07 2015 05:40 Holyflare wrote:
holy fucking shit there is no way you are this useless kitaman


You can't bully me. I know kung fu.


Well maybe, not but I've watching some kung fu movies before.


Actually, know that I think about it, I haven't even really done that.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 06 2015 20:47 GMT
#6251
On April 07 2015 05:44 batsnacks wrote:
Can you explain your read on trfel better? I don't understand.


Coming up.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
April 06 2015 20:49 GMT
#6252
On April 07 2015 05:47 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 05:46 kitaman27 wrote:
On April 07 2015 05:46 kitaman27 wrote:
On April 07 2015 05:40 Holyflare wrote:
holy fucking shit there is no way you are this useless kitaman


You can't bully me. I know kung fu.


Well maybe, not but I've watching some kung fu movies before.


Actually, know that I think about it, I haven't even really done that.


You should watch Man of Tai Chi. Then HF won't be able to bully you anymore.

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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 06 2015 20:49 GMT
#6253
On April 07 2015 05:46 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 05:41 Holyflare wrote:
please don't waste anyones time with a "walkthrough" plz just talk to us because you aren't being transparent in a wall of text nobody will read because half the people are afk, have a god damn conversation with us where you actually talk in real time and not this fake bs


Can't have it both ways, Holyflare.

Show nested quote +
On April 06 2015 14:29 Holyflare wrote:
you have literally just flung shit in every possible direction just now and even claimed your power to an anti town which anyone reading this game would have the slightest sense to never ever ever do, jat was also mad at you for not being open about your powers to him and you made up some excuse about not town reading him (more like you never tried) you said you couldn't trust jat but conveniently claimed your power to both him and kita (who you also didn't trust) earlier in the game

[...]

if you can counter these points congratulations, I've got a good list of mafia here so to say it's anything like carol where i pushed easy lynches is terrible


Show nested quote +
On April 06 2015 13:23 Holyflare wrote:
hts: keeps posting all these things about redirecting crap too all the peoples mafia reads.... told CLAIMED ANTI TOWN HER NIGHT ACTIONS LOL, afking and not really pushing, no input in relevant things, classic mafia hts (check void? for me catching her for same thing)


I'll say it again Holyflare.

Can't have it both ways.

You want to lynch me for trusting Trfel, now you're just as dismissive of any reasoning that I'll provide. Good job with the double standard. Good fucking job.


no you fucker i just said talk to me like a human being and have a conversation, don't try and discredit me any more because i'm done with your shit and i'm tired that every point i raise people try and defend because they just aren't good at playing mafia in the slightest

i want to hear your reasoning about trfel in a conversation not a wall of text where you just spend 40 minutes writing it and afk again
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 06 2015 20:53 GMT
#6254
i'm the only one questioning ANYTHING at lylo and i even confirmed batsnacks as mafia and all you do is say my list is bad, i'm being bad, i'm tunelled on you etc etc instead of reevaluating anything at all. I've said multiple times to disprove what i'm saying and you just come back and blame my spam for some reason and nothing more
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 06 2015 20:54 GMT
#6255
AND IM NOT EVEN TOWN THATS HOW MUCH OF A JOKE IT IS
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 06 2015 20:56 GMT
#6256
Bats/Crossfire -

Why I trusted Trfel - PM by PM

PMs 1-2

First off, he claimed third party to me in PM land well before he claimed in thread. So yes I was aware of this. He admitted early on that he was not sure where certain targets of his lay and thus he couldn't conclude whether his wincon was pro or antitown. He also told me that he had no ability to kill people.

I decided I'd probe Trfel on what his wincon exactly was.

His response - he needed to kill two specific people. Or more specifically, have a hand in their death by piggybacking off by voting them. If two of them are killed without his being involved he'd be removed from the game.

Now the way I saw this was thinking that if some of my scumreads lined up with his targets, we could pair up on a town aligned agenda. At the time I responded, I threw at him my scumreads of Hapa, Yamato, Snarfs, with the possibility of Holyflare, and Keirathi, who D1, wasn't doing much, so I was a bit suspicious of him.

PMs 3-8

Trfel responded that one of his targets was Holyflare as it was the only one that matched my list. He also told me that he had incentive to lynch scum, obviously getting endgamed he'd lose by default. He also told me his win condition was unique and didn't think any of his targets had the same ones.

I then asked him what his reads were on ExO, Kita and BH. I also felt Keirathi was scum at the time because his list post D1 was horrible.

Trfel thinks BH is "probably" scum. I was waffling on this because honestly I couldn't tell. He elaborated that he didn't like how forceful BH was in pushing the VA check.

Kita felt like town to him, but I was fear reading him earlier. He was suspicious of ExO, but not anymore, and didn't think that him falling off was alignment indicative -he has done this before.

I then told Trfel I had trouble reading rsoultin as I metaed her against her Titanic game. He then told me that he highly doubted she was scum.

Summary/TLDR:
Generally speaking I needed help with my reads because several people I saw worlds where their posting could come from a town and scum perspective. Trfel helped with with a few people and when they flipped I felt he was a person that could be trusted in some respect.

Are some of my reads poor? Yes they are, you can see I'm off on a number of them. I don't have a problem admitting that.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 06 2015 20:58 GMT
#6257
On April 07 2015 05:49 Holyflare wrote:
i want to hear your reasoning about trfel in a conversation not a wall of text where you just spend 40 minutes writing it and afk again


I don't know about you, but I work full time, and can't necesarily be on the computer consistently every time I play. (Never mind the fact I'm not even in the country atm.)

You, Bats, and Crossfire don't like my trusting Trfel - fine and dandy. The trust came from PM land. If you are town/townaligned third party, deal with it.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 06 2015 20:59 GMT
#6258
Still going through more of this, folks.

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 06 2015 21:02 GMT
#6259
On April 07 2015 05:39 kitaman27 wrote:
You must realize that talking about Trfel is about the least relevant thing right now?


That being said, what are your thoughts going into EoD? Vote still on Bats? Who else is on your lynch list?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
April 06 2015 21:03 GMT
#6260
k I read the post and I still don't understand why you trusted trfel or why you're posting trfel reads with 1 hour left in the day ^^
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