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On April 07 2015 05:41 Holyflare wrote:
please don't waste anyones time with a "walkthrough" plz just talk to us because you aren't being transparent in a wall of text nobody will read because half the people are afk, have a god damn conversation with us where you actually talk in real time and not this fake bs
Can't have it both ways, Holyflare.
On April 06 2015 14:29 Holyflare wrote:
you have literally just flung shit in every possible direction just now and even claimed your power to an anti town which anyone reading this game would have the slightest sense to never ever ever do, jat was also mad at you for not being open about your powers to him and you made up some excuse about not town reading him (more like you never tried) you said you couldn't trust jat but conveniently claimed your power to both him and kita (who you also didn't trust) earlier in the game
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if you can counter these points congratulations, I've got a good list of mafia here so to say it's anything like carol where i pushed easy lynches is terrible
On April 06 2015 13:23 Holyflare wrote:
hts: keeps posting all these things about redirecting crap too all the peoples mafia reads.... told CLAIMED ANTI TOWN HER NIGHT ACTIONS LOL, afking and not really pushing, no input in relevant things, classic mafia hts (check void? for me catching her for same thing)
I'll say it again Holyflare.
Can't have it both ways.
You want to lynch me for trusting Trfel, now you're just as dismissive of any reasoning that I'll provide. Good job with the double standard. Good fucking job.
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On April 07 2015 05:44 batsnacks wrote:
Can you explain your read on trfel better? I don't understand.
Coming up.
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Bats/Crossfire -
Why I trusted Trfel - PM by PM
PMs 1-2
First off, he claimed third party to me in PM land well before he claimed in thread. So yes I was aware of this. He admitted early on that he was not sure where certain targets of his lay and thus he couldn't conclude whether his wincon was pro or antitown. He also told me that he had no ability to kill people.
I decided I'd probe Trfel on what his wincon exactly was.
His response - he needed to kill two specific people. Or more specifically, have a hand in their death by piggybacking off by voting them. If two of them are killed without his being involved he'd be removed from the game.
Now the way I saw this was thinking that if some of my scumreads lined up with his targets, we could pair up on a town aligned agenda. At the time I responded, I threw at him my scumreads of Hapa, Yamato, Snarfs, with the possibility of Holyflare, and Keirathi, who D1, wasn't doing much, so I was a bit suspicious of him.
PMs 3-8
Trfel responded that one of his targets was Holyflare as it was the only one that matched my list. He also told me that he had incentive to lynch scum, obviously getting endgamed he'd lose by default. He also told me his win condition was unique and didn't think any of his targets had the same ones.
I then asked him what his reads were on ExO, Kita and BH. I also felt Keirathi was scum at the time because his list post D1 was horrible.
Trfel thinks BH is "probably" scum. I was waffling on this because honestly I couldn't tell. He elaborated that he didn't like how forceful BH was in pushing the VA check.
Kita felt like town to him, but I was fear reading him earlier. He was suspicious of ExO, but not anymore, and didn't think that him falling off was alignment indicative -he has done this before.
I then told Trfel I had trouble reading rsoultin as I metaed her against her Titanic game. He then told me that he highly doubted she was scum.
Summary/TLDR:
Generally speaking I needed help with my reads because several people I saw worlds where their posting could come from a town and scum perspective. Trfel helped with with a few people and when they flipped I felt he was a person that could be trusted in some respect.
Are some of my reads poor? Yes they are, you can see I'm off on a number of them. I don't have a problem admitting that.
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On April 07 2015 05:49 Holyflare wrote:
i want to hear your reasoning about trfel in a conversation not a wall of text where you just spend 40 minutes writing it and afk again
I don't know about you, but I work full time, and can't necesarily be on the computer consistently every time I play. (Never mind the fact I'm not even in the country atm.)
You, Bats, and Crossfire don't like my trusting Trfel - fine and dandy. The trust came from PM land. If you are town/townaligned third party, deal with it.
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Still going through more of this, folks.
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On April 07 2015 05:39 kitaman27 wrote:
You must realize that talking about Trfel is about the least relevant thing right now?
That being said, what are your thoughts going into EoD? Vote still on Bats? Who else is on your lynch list?
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On April 07 2015 03:59 kitaman27 wrote:
So HF is claiming to have shot xfire and xfire is claiming that HF is lying about the shot....and now they're working together to determine the lylo lynch and you're all content with that?
Problematic, but after being tunnelled on me, Crossfire actually circled back on me and asked why I trusted Trfel instead of just saying "her play is scummy" (paraphrasing) in spite of Snarfs saying there's no world where I'm scum and he's town after his claim. .
I think Holyflare is taking advantage of the tunnel. Relevant quote.
On April 06 2015 14:35 Holyflare wrote:
i'm half tempted to drop my bh vendetta and follow xfire to hts :D :D :D
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On April 07 2015 06:03 batsnacks wrote:
k I read the post and I still don't understand why you trusted trfel or why you're posting trfel reads with 1 hour left in the day ^^
EoD is not for another 2 hours? Am I missing something?
On April 07 2015 05:44 batsnacks wrote:
Can you explain your read on trfel better? I don't understand.
Cause people want me lynched for it?
Anyways if people think this is useless fine.
Honestly whether people mislynch me or not, the fact we're 1) hijacked by third party regardless of agenda 2) not able to agree on a lynch let alone a scum lynch, town is pretty much done for in two hours.
I've already explained my inactivity.
Holyflare, if you're scum, congratulations, if you aren't, you honestly deserve to lose with the rest of us. I'll take the blame for any of the mistakes I made this game, namely my bad reads in general, but lesson learnt for those of you who don't know me well - inactivity isn't a scum tell for me 
(I realise it's poor form, but I'm just being brutally honest.)
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Well we're basically screwed. There are 4 votes minimum on me, and I'm running under the theory there are five scum remaining. HF and Bats are two. No one is lynching Holyflare. Not enough are lynching VA. BH would be lynching him, but that's only 3 of us.
At best we have a no lynch. GG.
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Onegu is town, but he's lynching me (presumably) for inactivity.
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EBWOP
Actually if JAT is still voting Bats, that's three of us on Bats. 5 on me (HF, Bats, Onegu, Xfire, OWS) from what I can tell. That's 8/11 accounted for.
OWS is likely conf town, Onegu is town.
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Votes - 9/11 accounted for
Bats (4): Kita, JAT, HTS, Snarfs
HTS (5): HF, OWS, Onegu, Xfire, Bats
We need Onegu and OWS to switch. I forget where BH stood offhand. That's our six.
THERE IS HOPE.
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On April 07 2015 06:25 Snarfs wrote:
I'm pretty sure dead JAT doesn't get a vote -_-
ROFLMAO. I meant BH.
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He was deciding between VA, Bats and myself. I'm being stupid. Hold on.
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Sepulchre is voting Bats, that's still four guaranteed. Onegu switching will give us five.
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On April 07 2015 03:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
If HF is scum then he won't lynch batsnacks anyway.
If HF is 3p then we can't lynch batsnacks anyway.
I don't think we're getting a batsnacks lynch today.
Will you be our sixth? *dances*
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We had two third party flip right in Alakaslam and Trfel. Maybe there's a third, maybe not.
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On April 07 2015 06:36 Onegu wrote:
@HtS when did trfel tell you about majoras mask?
I want to say very late N1 or first thing N2. I didn't get to that PM, but hold on.
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On April 07 2015 06:36 Onegu wrote:
@HtS when did trfel tell you about majoras mask?
Off hand I recall him saying he wasn't giving it to you, because he didn't trust you. Mired in PMs atm. Let me confirm.
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Alright, so he said that he didn't trust you. I tried explaining to him why I thought you were town, but he admitted he didn't trust you despite failing to read the thread.
I know he was busy IRL because he suffered from the same problem in Guardians and he also fell behind entirely in that game too. His reads were off in Guardians - I hosted that game so I had perfect information as the game was in progress - and I had just dismissed it as just being off here too.
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