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VIVAX CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS POST PLEASE OR JUST STFU:
On April 08 2015 14:44 DreadReturn wrote:
Yes, I asked a "seemingly easy" question to Damdred.
1) The guy who initially responded to GB's post.
2) From which Palmar started his GB campaign.
3) From which there is currently a wagon on someone we definitely shouldn't be lynching today.
Carry on.
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On April 08 2015 22:21 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 22:18 Koshi wrote:On April 08 2015 22:16 Vivax wrote:On April 08 2015 22:09 Koshi wrote:On April 08 2015 14:44 DreadReturn wrote:
Yes, I asked a "seemingly easy" question to Damdred.
1) The guy who initially responded to GB's post.
2) From which Palmar started his GB campaign.
3) From which there is currently a wagon on someone we definitely shouldn't be lynching today.
Carry on. Can somebody explain me this? DR is saying he shouldn't get flak for his "disconnected" question because it spawned discussion? What happens in 1) ? What happened in 2) ? Who and what is 3) ? And why does 1 to 3 make DR a town hero? You ask all the wrong questions. The right question is what DR would achieve from getting a random townread from Damdred. Is that what DR is saying here? He points out that as mafia he doesn't get anything from getting a random townread from Damdred? He talks about Damdred as if he's a VIP in the GB stuff as justification for asking that question. So he explains the "who", not the "why"
I do not understand what you are saying.
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Before the thread turns into browngreen diarrhea. Can somebody explain the post DR made, and then explain to me if this line from Vivax in his DR read is correct.
On April 08 2015 20:34 Vivax wrote:
Question to Damdred seemed disconnected but he justified it in a believable way.
From what I gather the justification were these 3 points?
1) Damdred replied to GB
2) Palmar made a case on GB
3) GB got a bunch off incorrect votes on him.
Carry on
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On April 08 2015 22:21 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 22:18 Koshi wrote:On April 08 2015 22:16 Vivax wrote:On April 08 2015 22:09 Koshi wrote:On April 08 2015 14:44 DreadReturn wrote:
Yes, I asked a "seemingly easy" question to Damdred.
1) The guy who initially responded to GB's post.
2) From which Palmar started his GB campaign.
3) From which there is currently a wagon on someone we definitely shouldn't be lynching today.
Carry on. Can somebody explain me this? DR is saying he shouldn't get flak for his "disconnected" question because it spawned discussion? What happens in 1) ? What happened in 2) ? Who and what is 3) ? And why does 1 to 3 make DR a town hero? You ask all the wrong questions. The right question is what DR would achieve from getting a random townread from Damdred. Is that what DR is saying here? He points out that as mafia he doesn't get anything from getting a random townread from Damdred? He talks about Damdred as if he's a VIP in the GB stuff as justification for asking that question. So he explains the "who", not the "why"
Isn't the why the bolded? Seriously... How did he only explain the who and not the why if he gives the bolded as why?
Vivax is confusing me ;.;
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Man... Maybe it is LoneMeow. Or OdinOfPergo like I said.
I don't know if I want to lynch those based on posts they made because they are apparently playing 1 hour a day.
Maybe I would. But really. Vivax. We can lynch him. To restore order and balance in this thread.
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Yeah Ok. DreadReturn can stay alive. I don't see why he is mafia. I don't see why he is town either. So he can also die. But really. dafuq Vivax.
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On April 08 2015 13:12 rsoultin wrote:
The RSOUL reads of SO MUCH WINNING part One! (broke this up into two parts cause meeeeh much work takes much time xP)
Townreads
Glowingbear is town. Like, obviously town. Ask me why if you can't figure it out, but note the word: obvious
Holyflare is probably town as well. Early observations on Eden/OWS on-point, noted the same things about OWS and yamato that I did. Can see town-motivation for the game but am not going to give anyone what I think he's doing, 'cause I may be seeing shadows where there are none.
Townleans
Dreadreturn analysis of Palmar's GB read spot on, some good pressure on Damdred/Yamato, but he has NO READS whatsoever. Which is concerning. Low postcount I can handle. No reads I can't. So only townlean for now.
Koshi...tone read mostly based on one post in particular that made me laugh. That said, his reads are disturbingly dissimilar to mine except for one key one. (Not that this makes him scum given past history). Waiting for that fire to ignite.
Nullish-town
Eden1892 blah entrance redeemed somewhat by analysis of players scumreading him, some relative lightheartedness (toneread) in his play and being observant, but the anger seemed a bit flat. Reserving judgment.
Scummy
Damdred's read on GB seems at best conf biasy, adding on what he can as he goes. Approves of Palmar despite Palmar's analysis being different from his, and when asked for other reads by Dreadreturn provides ritoky (lit. the easiest read for him to make as mafia given it's a "soulread" anyway and requires no explanation) and Dreadreturn for the pressure (meh, easy way to get a townie off your back is to townread them). BONUS!! he tries to say I'm scummy for not playing peacemaker when 1) I had been to a small extent and 2) in XXX his metaread was the exact OPPOSITE, saying I was scum because I was playing mediator
On April 08 2015 13:53 rsoultin wrote:
damn it all i'd just finished.
oh well
just gonna post a marv-like list of awesome right here and if y'all want more, ask
Town
Glowingbear
Holyflare
Onegu - my boi ^^
Eden - bumpted up for recent posts
Townish
OWS - the cluelessness is real <3
Koshi
Maybe Town?
ritoky - like the laidback approach but otherwise hard to read
dreadreturn
Null
Palmar - equal pluses and minuses but one post that tonally feels town so eeeeh
Scummy
Vivax - lack of commitment to reads on a whole, some weird waffling with no conclusions
Damdred
Yamato - goes from prob mafia on hf to don't give in to his stupidity? sniping. no explanation for reads
i'm cool with lynching anyone in the scummy section but can we please lynch yamato? -bats eyelashes-
Onegu didn't post between these posts. But I just wonder. Why is Onegu town?
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9 vt + jailer vs 2 goons + mafia vigi
8vt + vigi + jailer vs 2 goons and rb
10 vs 3
9 vs 3 ml
7 vs 3 nk+vig
6 vs 3 ml
5 vs 3 nk
4 vs 3 ml
3 vs 3 nk into town loss
Interesting stuff. Balance would be mafia vig and town rb. Good set up.
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best list post.
+ Show Spoiler +ritoky
Edenyamato (might be buddying me  ) PalmarGB Damdred Obiwan Holyflare Onegu rsoultin Dreadreturn Vivax
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I am eagerly awaiting the moment I get lynched.
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On April 08 2015 23:06 Vivax wrote:
I don't even care about the game outcome, you're annoying and frustrating and if you are willing to get shot or lynched after my flip I will throw the game.
I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.
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On April 08 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote:
<b>##unvote
##vote: vivax</b>
Can you explain in what QT you had to use this code recently?
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On April 09 2015 00:42 Vivax wrote:
From town to null with no posts from HF in between, SEEMS LEGIT
Yes. Inactivity changes people their opinion on others. SHOCKER
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On April 09 2015 00:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 00:02 Vivax wrote:
Then think again.
She scumreads Damdred.
She agrees with ritoky's post on DR.
She doesn't scumread DR.
Why call ritoky's post smart if she doesn't change the read accordingly?
Yamato scum-> town, why? She explained her yamato read. The only point listed here you might have is that she agreed with ritoky without scumreading DR, but I don't think that's scummy either especially since I was thinking something along the same lines.
Looks town.
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Hmm. Somewhere Palmar provided reads in 10 minutes and I was ok with them. That's why I read him as town. I don't think he should be the lynch today. Maybe even tomorrow.
Yes, he played seriously this game.
But
He owned playing seriously. He didn't hide and gave his reasoning. He played strong while being present. If he would totally fall away D2 I would consider him. But for D1? Nha.
I'll see if I can find some townie stuff.
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On April 07 2015 20:32 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 20:25 rsoultin wrote:
an exercise!
what other things were candidates but didn't make it to the coveted category of possibly nitpicking? In brief, I'll write out some: I actually liked Damdred's opening. I agreed with him picking up that post from GB (as I've shown now later) and in general he sounded like a townie to me. I sort of maybe think Obi looked bad at times. All his initial contributions were quite shit. I didn't really have any kinde of conclusion though. I think he pointed out that HF did the game-show thing as mafia once without actually drawing any conclusion from it or giving an opinion, so that was kind of maybe scummy, but not terribly so. I think I recall something from Onegu that was almost policy-lynch-worthy HF's thing is completely alignment null. It all depends on what he does with it. He's smart enough to realize that he has done this before, and so it really doesn't matter. He could be town doing it to fuck with people or he could be wifom mafia "I wouldn't do it again". It's pointless to speculate until he actually does anything worth reading. There are probably more I don't recall right now.
This I was ok with it.
Obviously these aren't the names that I would call mafia at this time. But at that time it was very fine.
I would lynch GB before Palmar easily.
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But yeah.
We are locked in on DeadReturn and NOBODY should change this lynch for today.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 08 2015 13:31 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.
As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol. The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all. Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting. Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome. HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken. GB could have: - Ignored it and walked away
- Tried to put a stop to it
- Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
- Joined in on the fun
- Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
- Tried to glean some information from it
You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further. Why did GB post? This is not good. So GB didn't necessarily react the best way to one minor thing. So? He turns around and starts engaging Damdred on it in a way that I at least felt was really productive. Palmar incorrectly assesses that GB "wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further" and does so by ignoring the bulk of GB's actual posting at the time, focusing only on the admittedly-not-good first reaction to the HF-Obi thing. Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 20:39 Palmar wrote:
His point being that we should lynch GB for that post. He may not have had the exact same take as me, but the conclusion is the same.
Like in broad strokes I was apathetic about the Obi/HF thing (although HF looked better in it than Obi) and I hated GB's interjection, and I liked that damdred didn't like it.
I really cba with this rsoultin. You know that if I'm mafia I'll be fairly easy to spot a little further down the line so all you're doing now is wasting my time. Why is he so grumpy? Jeez this thread is down in the dumps. Y'all oughta grab a beer and chill or somethin. This game is fun, why so bothered already? Especially since rsoultin's questions were actually pretty on-point -- as noted Palmar's thing on GB is actually not very good and if it's really his best thing he has, rsoultin is right to be pressing him for more. I love her followup asking what didn't make the cut and I would have figured that Palmar would more readily play ball if he's gonna start out serious like this. Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 20:56 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.
So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water I don't believe this is true. My original assumption was that you were trying to stop them by complaining about it. You later clarified that you weren't. But let's assume I don't really think there is any mafia in the group of you three. Town HF is arguing with Town Obi. Town GB steps in and "look guys, this is shit. drop it".
I think this is a fair thing to do as town.
I really don't understand why you'd have to be protecting someone. Trying to stop shit to clear the way for more useful conversation is on the surface always a town move. Of course mafia knows this so it's really no big deal (hence why I'm looking at HOW you did what you did, not WHAT you did). Like this post is full of shit and now I seriously want to lynch you and I don't think I'm nitpicking anymore. Trying to argue that you must be protecting one of them or my theory is shit is awful because it makes no logical sense. I'm having trouble following this train of thought. Palmar basically says that what GB did could actually be a townie thing and then wants to lynch GB for saying something illogical. What happened to the early insistence from Palmar that he wanted to lynch mafia? Now that I'm actually reading I'm starting not to like Palmar. I got it backwards earlier, he was actually the one being nitpicky and not really making sense / going places with GB. His initial assessment he makes about GB's early game play is all wrong and he's unnecessarily hostile toward rsoultin when she tries to talk to him about the game. I tend to think Palmar is just... above this when he's town. He's a pretty level-headed and fair-minded guy most of the time, and there's generally good intentions behind his failing to meet this standard (he gets hyper-tunneled on someone he thinks is mafia for instance). But the unnecessary antagonism and the grueling, pedantic arguing with GB just seems not him.
Also this case looks like something terrible. Especially the first point is some serious reaching on what I found a solid post from Palmar.
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Ok. 2.5 page filter for D1 is acceptable.
Lynch DreadReturn. All other people deserve to live another day. DreadReturn is lynchbait now or tomorrow or after that. Let's cut it out.
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