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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 15 2015 18:44 GMT
#2950
There is 15 times Koshi in you filter. That's not a lot of Koshi.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 15 2015 18:47 GMT
#2955
On April 16 2015 03:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2015 03:44 Koshi wrote:
There is 15 times Koshi in you filter. That's not a lot of Koshi.


Okay?

I feel if you would be playing this game there would be more Koshi. I don't know.

Also these posts:
On April 09 2015 08:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I didn't put any stock into GB's vigi claim. It read like nonsense to me.



On April 10 2015 10:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 10:14 Onegu wrote:
On April 10 2015 10:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 10 2015 10:12 Onegu wrote:
Is the GB/Damdred hard bus on each other real? I don't know you tell me!


Still have Eden and koshi as scum though


wat



Your supposed to tell me not ask me what...


The whole hard bus theory is a bit of a stretch, no?


Good stuff.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 15 2015 18:51 GMT
#2959
Tell me how we win this game Obi. And why you think that.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 16 2015 10:43 GMT
#3035
##vote: Vivax

- Picking fights with no good reason. (Damdred assault)
- Scumread by RIP townies
- Not consistent logic around his Koshi/Yamato read. (See reasoning why he switched to ritoky)
- Defended ritoky on 3-5 occasions saying he is the afk easy lynch. Pushed Koshi/Yamato. Yet never really gave a good reason why ritoky is town.
- Is not seeing what other townies are seeing.
- Straight up lying and misrepresenting facts. (multiple occasions)
- Never expressed a real read on Obi or ritoky D3. Most of the times gets angry and refuses to look at them. Was really sure it was Koshi or Yamato.


Town Vivax:
- Moronic arguments
- Active
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 16 2015 11:03 GMT
#3038
On April 16 2015 19:43 Koshi wrote:
##vote: Vivax

- Picking fights with no good reason. (Damdred assault)
- Scumread by RIP townies
- Not consistent logic around his Koshi/Yamato read. (See reasoning why he switched to ritoky)
- Defended ritoky on 3-5 occasions saying he is the afk easy lynch. Pushed Koshi/Yamato. Yet never really gave a good reason why ritoky is town.
- Is not seeing what other townies are seeing.
- Straight up lying and misrepresenting facts. (multiple occasions)
- Never expressed a real read on Obi or ritoky D3. Most of the times gets angry and refuses to look at them. Was really sure it was Koshi or Yamato.


Town Vivax:
- Moronic arguments
- Active

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 16 2015 15:44 GMT
#3045
I think we are at a point where we should always lynch Vivax and then look for other options together. As a happy family.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 16 2015 16:51 GMT
#3078
Vivax what is the point of being so obtuse on purpose?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 16 2015 16:54 GMT
#3080
Just autovote Vivax and afk till deadline.

All dead townies said Vivax was mafia so nobody can even blame us.

Easiest D4 lynch in your life.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 16 2015 17:43 GMT
#3089
On April 16 2015 19:43 Koshi wrote:
##vote: Vivax

- Picking fights with no good reason. (Damdred assault)
- Scumread by RIP townies
- Not consistent logic around his Koshi/Yamato read. (See reasoning why he switched to ritoky)
- Defended ritoky on 3-5 occasions saying he is the afk easy lynch. Pushed Koshi/Yamato. Yet never really gave a good reason why ritoky is town.
- Is not seeing what other townies are seeing.
- Straight up lying and misrepresenting facts. (multiple occasions)
- Never expressed a real read on Obi or ritoky D3. Most of the times gets angry and refuses to look at them. Was really sure it was Koshi or Yamato.


Town Vivax:
- Moronic arguments
- Active

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 16 2015 17:44 GMT
#3090
critical day so I self voted. kk Vivax.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 16 2015 17:51 GMT
#3091
And if D2 was critical for scum. The difference between you and me is probably that I started strong D2 and the more it went to the end of the day I was less interested. Even with a strong townread on GB I didn't really oppose the GB lynch too much (I didn't know he would be lynched anyway, that was a pleasant surprise.)

While you went hardcore mode against yamato D2 probably around the time the ritoky and the GB wagons were forming. Look at the vote count time and your case:
On April 12 2015 04:16 Hapahauli wrote:
"Nope-count":


Koshi (0) -
Vivax (1) - Yamato77
Damdred (0) -
Eden (1) - Koshi
Palmar (0) -
GlowingBear (2) - Palmar, Damdred
Ritoky (2) - Sicklucker, Eden

until deadline. Currently GlowingBear is set to be lynched.


On April 12 2015 04:37 Vivax wrote:
Here is one simple yet effective and truthful case after reviewing his filter more carefully.I ask you to place your vote on yamato after reading this. Yamato is one of the mafias unable to keep a secret, if you get my drift. He's a real well of information, spilling important one with every post. The bigger the better.

Case in point, his Eden read. Read the spoiler. Do this:

Compare the amount of energy he puts into listing reasons for thinking Eden is scum to the rest of his reads.

Look at how he uses alignments to give people reads. I have shortened the case to focus on Eden. But in the original case you see how I am a null read. Townie for some reads, then scummier for saying Koshi is mafia.

Same for Damdred. He's townie cause he also thinks Eden is mafia. Yet in the same post yamato decides to conclude that he's town for effort after listing endless points for the opposite. Why did he do that in the first place???

Or HF. After he concluded that Eden gets a townread he says "lolhf" for believing that Eden is town.

Look at the original post and you will see so many instances of reads based on something like this: "Right reads=town", "wrong reads=scum". Except Eden. Eden he has been calling out on something all the time and after listing a plethora of reasons for him being scum he just decides to TR him. Just like that. There isn't a single reason for Eden being town in there and every point he lists is a reason for him being scum.

Then like his usual scum self he afks at D2. I'm super confident that the poor guy rolled mafia again lol.

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On April 08 2015 18:56 yamato77 wrote:

On April 08 2015 06:15 Damdred wrote:
Eden your opening posts were popcorn without getting involved and that you weren't sure that Rsoul was town. I'm not sure how you want me to expound on them besides bad, you generally would of gotten involved in the thread which you didn't.

Coupeled with your move to now soul read Rsoul when nothing has drastically changed from the early game in that regard has me left with mixed feelings that could be best described as you being scum, and now you are pushing on vivax without even commenting on GB I think?.


Based on this post alone, I'm willing to townread Damdred.

He gives a short but accurate summation of Eden's play (and the problems with it) which shows both attentiveness to the thread and a critical level of analysis about Eden's lack of overall attentiveness to actual thread happenings that people would call important.

Why does Eden soulread rsoul at that point in the game? Why didn't he comment on GB, the leading lynch and perhaps the most-talked-about player in the game. It is strange. I scumread him for the same sort of reasoning. The fact that Damdred reached a similar conclusion with similar reasoning is enough to call him town.




Eden

To segue nicely here, let's talk about Eden and his choice of discussion topics.

On April 07 2015 15:39 Eden1892 wrote:
all the grumpykins are mafia y/n?


I pointed out this post as horrible because it IS horrible. Not liking some sort of distracting thread-game is not alignment indicative. If one player decides to endlessly bitch about it and do nothing else, sure, but for me to simply opt out of joining in on HF's stupidity should not be anything alignment indicative to anyone. I'll talk more about this later when I get to HF but my point is THIS TYPE OF POST IS FUCKING STUPID

On April 08 2015 06:07 Eden1892 wrote:
This is the list of wimps that called me scum but didn't vote me. Take note cuz at least one is mafia.

yamato
vivax
rsoultin
damdred
obi

My pick is Vivax for copying yamato right after yamato did and then not doing anything with it. My other pick is Obi because lol lack of energy but I actually think he might say that as town. It's definitely not rsoultin. Could I guess be Damdred (I didn't like him just calling my opening "bad" without explanation when I feel like he normally explains it more). But I kinda feel like Damdred might be town for some reason I don't know yet

Holyflare is prolly town. Koshi... Idk man, his posting style seems townie but he hasn't done a lot yet. When he's town there's normally a switch that gets flipped and he goes into obvtown mode, switch hasn't flipped yet. Palmar I like early.

That's everyone I think


These are his reads, for better or worse. He doesn't really explain ANY of his townreads, and his scumreads are all "called me scum but didn't vote me". Aside from that he comments on NOTHING ELSE THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE GAME.

Who gives out thin townreads and is preoccupied with how other players perceive them? Mafia. He does this at the expense of noting the huge Palmar/GB interaction that goes on for pages. I find it difficult to believe a townie overlooks that and simply focuses on people "scumreading" him.

As for his explanation...

On April 08 2015 06:32 Eden1892 wrote:
Oh and Damdred why should I comment on GB? I don't get the necessity of doing so while voting Vivax. (bear in mind I only skimmed the pages I wasn't around for and I glazed over a lot of GB's posts)


"skimmed gb's posts". But didn't he earlier call Palmar town? Shouldn't that clue him in on GB? and then...

On April 08 2015 06:40 Eden1892 wrote:
oooh he is? that's weird cuz I don't remember him doing anything suspicious. his arguing with Palmar seemed a little pointless but not enough to lynch over.

who's voting for him?


>_________>

then we get the list post

On April 08 2015 07:07 Eden1892 wrote:
New list, maybe probably last post before mtg tonight. I will maybe try harder when I get back from then, sorry my posting hasn't been great so far just haven't gotten into the swing of things yet I guess.

1. Damdred (Damdy wamdy): Seems like town!Damdred from what I remember. I might just be being lazy and missing inconsistencies in his posts but whenever I read his stuff it seems like it checks out. Searching and motivated early which is a good sign.

2. Koshi (Koosh ball): Tonally reads like town!Koshi to me, not seeing the productivity or the "on switch" for him yet. I feel like he probably will flip the switch at some point but I reserve the right to lynch him if he doesn't

3. Onegu (1gu): Literally don't even care, remember nothing but him posting lyrics. Dude just tends to troll and shit and get POE lynched late, hopefully he'll do something silly like claim mason in a way that can't possibly be scumread so I can read him.

4. ObiWanShinobi (obi trice, real name no gimmicks): Gets points for being the only motherfucker calling me mafia with the balls to put a vote on it, even though his reason was meh and I don't remember him doing much else. Not enough points to be town lean though.

5. GlowingBear (GB): I guess at some point I'll read what he said. If 4 people wanted to vote him over it then it must be important. But nothing he said really caught my attention the first time, seemed like some pointless nitpicking at Palmar but idk. I didn't read closely. zzz

6. DreadReturn (+ Show Spoiler +): This guy just posted and it sounded ok, which is great cuz otherwise I didn't remember he was even in the game. It seemed earnest though, he looks like he gives a shit.

7. rsoultin (+ Show Spoiler +): Count on it.

8.Palmar (Ram pal): I actually get this bad feeling in the back of my head that Palmar trying hard early makes him mafia, but his posting actually seemed pretty townie and I would much rather Palmar do this from now on so I'm gonna reward it with a townread. Seemed like he had a good direction to what he was digging into (although I admit I don't really remember much of what he was digging into lol). It was around p15-16, maybe later I'll go find what made me think this.

9.Vivax(Viv): What a wuss.

10.Eden1892 (Eden Stevens)

11.ritoky (Tokyo city? I got nothing): His gifs early were funny but he hasn't done anything yet. Having now seen a few of his games as either alignment recently I think I can get a good read on him in time.

12.yamato77 (Weapon Refit): Also a wuss, and it feels like he's doing a lot of grumpy posting without trying to fix the things he's grumpy about. Take with a grain of salt though because literally the exact last time I accused him of this he was town :/ I had him as italics red which is scumlean but thinking over this more he should probably be null. I'm not good at reading yamato but I don't like his early posting.

13.HolyFlare(Not DP): I generally like the arguments he's made so far and I look forward to the game show!!!!


Apparently he's confident enough to call Palmar town but HE DOESN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT PALMAR WAS DOING, BY HIS OWN ADMISSION

HE STILL HASN'T LOOKED AT GB! (wtf?!)

His read on me is so non-committal it makes me want to puke.

Soooooo yeah. I don't understand how he read the thread.

On April 08 2015 07:45 Eden1892 wrote:
y not

i thought about not revealing it but people apparently missed it...


Apparently he's even really attentive, but entertains the idea that he should keep people's reads secret, for whatever reason. It doesn't make any sense. HOW DID HE NOTICE THIS IN HF's POST AND NOT KNOW WHY PEOPLE WERE VOTING GB?!?!

Page 3 of his filter is him actually going back and reading the thread, and at the end of it he comes back with this:

On April 08 2015 13:39 Eden1892 wrote:
On April 08 2015 13:32 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 08 2015 13:09 Eden1892 wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:26 GlowingBear wrote:
So, first page of the game and we already have an Obi VS Holyflare discussion. Sigh.

I know this has been talked about already but: GB what was the point of this? HF and Obi looked like they were joking and then you suddenly seemed really seriously upset about it. You went on to say something about "deja vu" but I dunno what you're referencing. This post seemed a bit out of place so... what's goin on here?

On April 07 2015 13:37 Damdred wrote:
No seriously what's the point of you pushing on hf when he's trying to get information out of someone. So what the thread took a serious turn you just drew the conversation away from potential information into more joking.

I don't see why a town would want less information in thread at this point.

This is similarly weird because I didn't see how HF was trying to get information out of anyone or doing anything really but fucking around. And I don't see how GB turned the conversation back to joking around? In fact it was kinda the opposite, GB got serious in a way that felt a bit off tonally when HF was joking around with Obi.

On April 07 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:55 Damdred wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:48 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:44 Damdred wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:
[quote]

Serious turn? They were joking at each other. How can the "wambulance" gather useful information?
The most serious post here was about HF teasing obi. You disagree with this?


My post is the most serious. But you jumped in instead of seeing where it would go


Damdy, I made a joke. I didn't ask them to stop talking.
You're nitpicking something that has no significance. You also avoided answering my question. Why?


which part? How obi hash left the thread after you interjected and called hf mafia somewhat? We lost information idk what question I'm avoiding


I asked what you think of what I said about HF teasing obi.

I don't understand what kind of information you were expecting from that discussion.

Also, if you think that HF was getting information out of obi and that obi took the chance to get out of the thread because I said HF is mafia, do you think obi is mafia?

This is a pretty good sequence IMO by GB. Damdred never answers this from what I can see in his filter, there's this half-answer in Damdred's post when he returns but it's not really a direct response. I think that makes Damdred a little suspicious because his initial assessment about what GB was doing was wrong and it looks like he was just taking the chance to pile on GB when he could.


Based on these posts GB is actually probably town and Damdred is slightly suspicious. I haven't gotten to the part where everyone decided GB is mafia but I already think it's wrong, so that could be fruitful.


I had nothing in mind when I posted that, I just thought it was a funny thing to point out. The déjà vu thing is exactly that: I always see them engaging that kind of argument.

So, after these considerations of yours, what are your updated reads?

You are probably town, Vivax looks alright, Palmar looks not so good, Damdred looks not so good. Das it mayne


Lol? Two of his townreads aren't actually town to him now and Vivax suddenly isn't scum?

Wtf was he doing before this point, if he's going to arrive at this conclusion now? Fucking off? Ugh.

On April 08 2015 14:16 Eden1892 wrote:
On April 08 2015 14:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 08 2015 14:05 Eden1892 wrote:
On April 08 2015 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 08 2015 14:01 rsoultin wrote:
On April 08 2015 14:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 08 2015 13:57 rsoultin wrote:
On April 08 2015 13:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rsoultin, yamato is probably not mafia.


lol he was supposed to be proving to me his awesome towniness this game

why is he probably not mafia?


Because he's actually playing the game.

His posts aren't jaw-droppingly excellent but he's talking about stuff.


rofl

i'm sorry but if we all had the same bar you apparently have for him none of us would be mafia xP what exactly is he talking about? i see a lot of sniping and little-to-no explanation

what specifically makes you think he's town?


In regards to a normal player I'd agree with you, but I've seen yamato's scumgame and the level of apathy he displayed was ridiculous, to the point where he didn't even bother commenting on anything at all and only came into the thread to lol at people and tell them he didn't have time to play.

Yamato has almost always been a low content guy iirc.

how apathetic? if you have a specific game in mind I can check out that'd be great, because he doesn't seem all that motivated here either so far but (1) i misread him on this exact point before lol and (2) you're saying it's worse than this so a specific example would be gr8 m8


Read showdown.

holy shit you ain't kiddin. rofl

i will endorse this read. yamato is typically a low-volume poster but the difference between showdown (last mafiaside game played) and student vi (last townside game played) is night and day. when he's town he's a high-content poster despite the low volume, when he's mafia... just go check showdown his filter is literally 2 pgs of nothing lmao. and this game's performance so far is much closer to student vi. i still want to see him doing something to be sure but i'm cool with early tr on him


And apparently I'm now town as well, just becuase I played ONE SCUM GAME where I didn't post basically at all?

Did you know that I've won as scum before in a game that contained rayn, marv, and Palmar all as town? My range of scum play isn't simply "doesn't play whatsoever", yet Eden is confident enough after reading a single filter of mine to give me a townread.

Overall, Eden's initial reads to the game fucking blew, and his reread of the game has him coming back with complete 180s on several people. It's nice to see that he's able to change his mind but I find it difficult to believe a lot of his reasoning. He's definitely not lynchworthy but he stuck out to me early. The more I read what I've written, the more likely I am to just call his early game play fucking lazy and write him off as town if his activity continues.

Damdred still gets points for noting his shitty early play.




Holyflare

I'm only commenting on his posts about me/obi because they are the only things actually related to the game of mafia!

http://i.imgur.com/AJAwkQ6.png

Boils down to:

"yamato doesn't like my game so he's mafia"

lolhf

fucking play the game.

http://i.imgur.com/DJnkL7n.png

Also boils down to:

"obi doesn't like my game so he's mafia"

lolhf

fucking play the game.

(notably, he must think eden is town because he also picks out posts where we shit on Eden. lolhf)
???

alignment: who the fuck knows? having fun does not = town



List Thingy For People Too Dumb To Read

Because there are many of you and I don't discriminate

ritoky
rsoul
Koshi

gb
eden
Palmar
damdred?

obi
HF
Onegu
Vivax
DreadReturn

##Unvote
##Vote: DreadReturn



So yeah. Your reasoning works even better on you.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 16 2015 17:53 GMT
#3092
Also this was so bad. So bad. The read on GB. What the fuck was that.
I made a case on this post btw. It was so legit:

On April 08 2015 20:34 Vivax wrote:
List time? List time.

Town pile:

Eden - Progression from scumreading me for calling his post out without voting to townreading me for mindmeld seems legit

Yamato - He doesn't actually suck


Town on probation:

Ritoky - Pointing out DR's softball. Good point. The only issue remaining is that he says "Damdred probably not mafia but if mafia mafia with DR". Still that's the only good thing I saw from him, rest is annoying picture spam, also kinda weird he points that out without scumreading either of them (or does he, need an answer?)


Meh pile:


GB - Palmar had a point with him staying on the sidelines in the Obi vs HF matter. His argument that he has to be scum with one of them to be scum doesn't hold water. But Palmars last post on him with all the believing shit sounds like Palmar made something massive about something he could have said in a single line, and I don't see that being the scummiest post in the thread.

Palmar - Back into meh pile for the confusing post nobody understands. I have seen such a post on marv in a game a while ago. Palmar wasn't mafia but he also wasn't right. So you become meh.


Noobs who tunnel me until I read them as scum for some reason cause they annoy the hell out of me (I want to believe he's scum for being so annoying): Koshi

Close to going to scum hell

Damdred - calls out GB but doesn't discuss Palmar's points on GB. Prefers to point out his boner for being townread by him instead. Reads feel superficial.

Scummy:

Obi - Should scumread HF but says he doesn't know who else to vote besides Eden. I see no townie reason for holding back here.

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 07 2015 14:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:
HF is town


How? He hasn't even done anything yet.

@Rso: I have played a large number of games with Hf and I have never once seen him do this as town.


On April 08 2015 00:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Eden is probably mafia just because of his complete lack of energy.

Dnu who else I'd vote.



Dread Return - Feels like he only commented on one thing in a tryhard fashion simply cause it was the thing most people seemed to pay attention to. Question to Damdred seemed disconnected but he justified it in a believable way. The issue remains that he only paid attention to that one matter which is a scum trait in my opinion. Also doesn't want to give a read on Palmar in the process of arguing that he misconstrued GB.

rsoultin: Question spam, mafia trait. Her only scumreads are me and yamato. 99 % town. The 99 % is yamato. Onegu and HF townread for no reason.


Wtf? Vig pls don't wanna read


HF
Onegu
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 16 2015 18:01 GMT
#3093
GB is mafia scumcase from Koshi close to when he went to bed. He even mildly pushed GB in following posts. However, only mildly because Koshi mindset. He had been wrong a lot and didn't pay too much attention D1. He was more in a sheepy mood than a real my lynch needs to go through mood. Which is quite obvious if you read my tone during D1.
On April 09 2015 03:26 Koshi wrote:
Eden. Do you think GB does more than scratching the surface?

Look at his initial HF is scum because teasing Obi. Nothing really came from it.
Look at when he townreads HF. At that point HF just started his game. Nothing else. Obi called GB rightfullyout on his townread.
Look at his Damdred read. Never was it real pressure. It starts on page 1 of his filter and when does it gets anything real? Does it at all?
Look at how he calls my entrance scummy. He gets then pressured on it and produces a false meta of a game that I never played. Never came back on this mistake. Is that a solving townie mindset? Anyway, he doesn't touch me anymore after that.
Then there are a SHITTON of random "hey you, what is your read on x" But never does GB do anything with the answer he got from that player, or the read given by the player. Because in the end he doesn't really produce any list or shows that he is PoEing this game.
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On April 08 2015 04:23 GlowingBear wrote:
It is also odd that Palmar has no opinion on Eden.

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On April 08 2015 04:27 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 08 2015 04:24 Koshi wrote:
No it isn't. I also have no opinion on Eden. Maybe a slight townread. But hey. Not posting doesn't help him.


It is.

Eden has posted very content less posts, but palmar treats him differently. This double standards reinforces the scenario where palmar is Mafia.

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On April 08 2015 04:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Argh, too many scummy people

These 3 posts just seem so fake. And it happened 3 times already. (obi callout on hf, wrong meta on me)
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On April 08 2015 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 08 2015 06:52 Damdred wrote:
Theres a fw reasons I voted for GB, some of which was calling palmar mafia after town reading him and voting him over his top scum read at the time. His initial postings towards HF and obi felt weird and this is pretty well documented in my filter.

Ritoky is just a gut town read so far, hes pretty trolly and laid back which is a meta read.

But you dread I like your posts, like you just calling me out trying to get more reads I like that.


You know very well I do 180 reads
Damdy, you can't be town this game.

I'm voting you.

The reason why GB is voting Damdred is bullshit. Damdred called GB out on something LEGIT SCUMMY. Then he brushes it away a bit too easy.
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On April 08 2015 08:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Eden your townreads are weird

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On April 08 2015 10:18 GlowingBear wrote:
This game is boring. I stated two or three times that Eden has problems in his scumreads and nobody asked me why.
Nobody is really trying to play this, sadly.

Bullshit and fake. We have to drag out answers out of him? Why? Fuck you GB. You have to give them to us and then complain or stfu. Can't complain about people now playing when he isn't playing himself.

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On April 08 2015 13:22 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 08 2015 13:12 Eden1892 wrote:
On April 08 2015 13:09 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 08 2015 12:08 rsoultin wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:32 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:28 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:27 Holyflare wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:26 GlowingBear wrote:
So, first page of the game and we already have an Obi VS Holyflare discussion. Sigh.


more reads more knowledge more winning

why so sad?


Because deja vù
By the way, I'm vigi again. Tell me your scumread so I can shoot him at night and shout at you all game long


This is actually what you like to do when you're mafia. Tease obi.


Explain this please, GB ^^


HF as Mafia would tease obi in order to guarantee a shitfest.
He enters in an argument with obi, obi gets angry because HF is nitpicking him and gives up / start arguing with HF in an useless discussion, disorganising town.

Check Hearthstone Mafia for a precedent.

you don't think town!HF would just fuck with him for a bit at game start though?
I see where you're coming from but it doesn't really seem to have had the intended effect


It was just a way I found to keep generating discussion. However, if he kept teasing obi, this would fit perfectly.
The thing is that his game thing seems like a good plan to me and it hardly fits any Mafia agenda. That's why I'm willing to call him town for now. The game have yet to begin, though.

Bullshit.
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On April 08 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 08 2015 13:39 Eden1892 wrote:
On April 08 2015 13:32 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 08 2015 13:09 Eden1892 wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:26 GlowingBear wrote:
So, first page of the game and we already have an Obi VS Holyflare discussion. Sigh.

I know this has been talked about already but: GB what was the point of this? HF and Obi looked like they were joking and then you suddenly seemed really seriously upset about it. You went on to say something about "deja vu" but I dunno what you're referencing. This post seemed a bit out of place so... what's goin on here?

On April 07 2015 13:37 Damdred wrote:
No seriously what's the point of you pushing on hf when he's trying to get information out of someone. So what the thread took a serious turn you just drew the conversation away from potential information into more joking.

I don't see why a town would want less information in thread at this point.

This is similarly weird because I didn't see how HF was trying to get information out of anyone or doing anything really but fucking around. And I don't see how GB turned the conversation back to joking around? In fact it was kinda the opposite, GB got serious in a way that felt a bit off tonally when HF was joking around with Obi.

On April 07 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:55 Damdred wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:48 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:44 Damdred wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:
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Serious turn? They were joking at each other. How can the "wambulance" gather useful information?
The most serious post here was about HF teasing obi. You disagree with this?


My post is the most serious. But you jumped in instead of seeing where it would go


Damdy, I made a joke. I didn't ask them to stop talking.
You're nitpicking something that has no significance. You also avoided answering my question. Why?


which part? How obi hash left the thread after you interjected and called hf mafia somewhat? We lost information idk what question I'm avoiding


I asked what you think of what I said about HF teasing obi.

I don't understand what kind of information you were expecting from that discussion.

Also, if you think that HF was getting information out of obi and that obi took the chance to get out of the thread because I said HF is mafia, do you think obi is mafia?

This is a pretty good sequence IMO by GB. Damdred never answers this from what I can see in his filter, there's this half-answer in Damdred's post when he returns but it's not really a direct response. I think that makes Damdred a little suspicious because his initial assessment about what GB was doing was wrong and it looks like he was just taking the chance to pile on GB when he could.


Based on these posts GB is actually probably town and Damdred is slightly suspicious. I haven't gotten to the part where everyone decided GB is mafia but I already think it's wrong, so that could be fruitful.


I had nothing in mind when I posted that, I just thought it was a funny thing to point out. The déjà vu thing is exactly that: I always see them engaging that kind of argument.

So, after these considerations of yours, what are your updated reads?

You are probably town, Vivax looks alright, Palmar looks not so good, Damdred looks not so good. Das it mayne


Explain to me why Vivax looks alright now and why you scumread him before

you know he is calling you mafia the entire time right, Eden?


Anyway.

I don't believe GB is town. But maybe he is trying to solve the game. I don't know.


Best reason why I think GB is mafia ↓
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Game balance indicates that there is a scum vigi and look here:
On April 07 2015 13:28 GlowingBear wrote:
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On April 07 2015 13:27 Holyflare wrote:
On April 07 2015 13:26 GlowingBear wrote:
So, first page of the game and we already have an Obi VS Holyflare discussion. Sigh.


more reads more knowledge more winning

why so sad?


Because deja vù
By the way, I'm vigi again. Tell me your scumread so I can shoot him at night and shout at you all game long



Then if Vivax is mafia I just want to point out I am a true genius. Even when not playing hard my 2 cases were on mafia. But I also quote this that if I am mafia and Vivax isn't I don't think I would have made a GB case when I could just push Vivax some more. Same for D2 tbh. Like... It was indeed a pretty important moment for scum when they had 2 on gb and ritoky. Why would I not push Vivax or something decent? Except I was flailing around doing fuck all. Anyway. Koshi is pretty awesome and is not mafia.

On April 08 2015 21:58 Koshi wrote:
Vivax is mafia. Unlike me his clarification for his reads were made to be serious. So it is a problem that I laugh at them pretty loudly.

Eden: Based on himself. I really don't like these reads "Eden his progression on me is from mafia to town so Eden is town" It's not a good basis. Never ever. In this case it was even "Eden read me as mafia but didn't vote me and then called me town so Eden is town" really? How is that town? Anyway, the reason to put Eden top town shouldn't be this. It should involve meta.

The read that Vivax gives on GB is really awful. It is rehearsing something really dumb GB said and painting it scummy? Well, he isn't really painting it scummy, he is for some reason scumreading GB for it... And then townreading GB because Palmar made a horrible case on GB. How does that work? At least that's how I read it. Terrible stuff.

The read on Palmar doesn't make sense. Basically Palmar made a post which demoted him from town to meh even though Vivax remembers town!Palmar making such a post recently. How can you demote somebody from townread to null if that person does something meta towny?

Read on Obi seems pretty dramatical. The thing Obi said about HF isn't Obi scumreading HF, it is Obi not understanding why the person he quoted townreaded HF.

Other reads are really lazy and I need to check if the DR comeback was really good. Vivax for some reason thought it was rayn from that. I guess he doesn't believe that anymore. Anyway. I don't know if the comeback was that good. It had some raynflavor though. It sounded too sarcastic to be good. Anyway. I lose focus.



tldr: Koshi is town

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 16 2015 18:03 GMT
#3094
Holy fuck that GB case was so good.
I don't even know what the fuck I was smoking early D2. I thought that was my good day. But it clearly was D1.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 16 2015 18:03 GMT
#3095
I am a very talented player. Nouf said.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 16 2015 18:33 GMT
#3097
On April 17 2015 02:43 Koshi wrote:
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On April 16 2015 19:43 Koshi wrote:
##vote: Vivax

- Picking fights with no good reason. (Damdred assault)
- Scumread by RIP townies
- Not consistent logic around his Koshi/Yamato read. (See reasoning why he switched to ritoky)
- Defended ritoky on 3-5 occasions saying he is the afk easy lynch. Pushed Koshi/Yamato. Yet never really gave a good reason why ritoky is town.
- Is not seeing what other townies are seeing.
- Straight up lying and misrepresenting facts. (multiple occasions)
- Never expressed a real read on Obi or ritoky D3. Most of the times gets angry and refuses to look at them. Was really sure it was Koshi or Yamato.


Town Vivax:
- Moronic arguments
- Active


I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 16 2015 22:08 GMT
#3099
Probably Obi.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 16 2015 22:08 GMT
#3100
Depends on how they play lylo I guess.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 16 2015 22:13 GMT
#3101
2 bullets right now is Vivax + Obi.

But I guess if Vivax is town I might want to read further into his Yamato read... Pff.

I kinda think it is Vivax though.It just makes sense.

He is way too active for scum Vivax. But tbh. 15 pages is not that much.

And he is playing like pure cancer.

I once had a 16 page filter as scum as well in a 9 player game. It's not impossible. Even for him.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 16 2015 22:15 GMT
#3102
Oh is is on 20 already... Pffffffffffff

If Vivax wasn't 100% fucking cancer since D2 I might not be so fucking tunneled on him and maybe we could have worked towards obi or yamato.

But at this moment he is cancer + has good reasons to be mafia + everybody scumread him.

So fuck it.

He can die.
I had a good night of sleep.
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