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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
April 22 2015 19:52 GMT
#3341
Interesting NK. It's playing time!
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
April 22 2015 20:10 GMT
#3342
Yamato and Damdred are tough to crack on D1.

Around page 14-16 Damdred asks who claimed vig, HF replies it was GB. Dam doesn't really try to evaluate here, he still just asks to kill him. No hints as to whether he believes it or not. Also both yam and Damdred absent on the fights happening there. Me vs Palmar for example, or me vs Koshi. Of the both it's actually yamato who is more snipe-y but on the other hand he participates in some way.

So that's observation nr. 1.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
April 22 2015 20:16 GMT
#3343
On April 08 2015 20:34 Vivax wrote:
List time? List time.

Town pile:

Eden - Progression from scumreading me for calling his post out without voting to townreading me for mindmeld seems legit

Yamato - He doesn't actually suck


Town on probation:

Ritoky - Pointing out DR's softball. Good point. The only issue remaining is that he says "Damdred probably not mafia but if mafia mafia with DR". Still that's the only good thing I saw from him, rest is annoying picture spam, also kinda weird he points that out without scumreading either of them (or does he, need an answer?)


Meh pile:


GB - Palmar had a point with him staying on the sidelines in the Obi vs HF matter. His argument that he has to be scum with one of them to be scum doesn't hold water. But Palmars last post on him with all the believing shit sounds like Palmar made something massive about something he could have said in a single line, and I don't see that being the scummiest post in the thread.

Palmar - Back into meh pile for the confusing post nobody understands. I have seen such a post on marv in a game a while ago. Palmar wasn't mafia but he also wasn't right. So you become meh.


Noobs who tunnel me until I read them as scum for some reason cause they annoy the hell out of me (I want to believe he's scum for being so annoying): Koshi

Close to going to scum hell

Damdred - calls out GB but doesn't discuss Palmar's points on GB. Prefers to point out his boner for being townread by him instead. Reads feel superficial.

Scummy:

Obi - Should scumread HF but says he doesn't know who else to vote besides Eden. I see no townie reason for holding back here.

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 07 2015 14:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:
HF is town


How? He hasn't even done anything yet.

@Rso: I have played a large number of games with Hf and I have never once seen him do this as town.


On April 08 2015 00:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Eden is probably mafia just because of his complete lack of energy.

Dnu who else I'd vote.



Dread Return - Feels like he only commented on one thing in a tryhard fashion simply cause it was the thing most people seemed to pay attention to. Question to Damdred seemed disconnected but he justified it in a believable way. The issue remains that he only paid attention to that one matter which is a scum trait in my opinion. Also doesn't want to give a read on Palmar in the process of arguing that he misconstrued GB.

rsoultin: Question spam, mafia trait. Her only scumreads are me and yamato. 99 % town. The 99 % is yamato. Onegu and HF townread for no reason.


Wtf? Vig pls don't wanna read


HF
Onegu


On April 09 2015 09:01 Damdred wrote:
Dr what is so bad about vivax, I read his filter his early call out to me didn't look bad to me, his list post wasn't horrible wrong in places but not bad and he is generally making good observations?


Damdred samaritan here, doesn't mind GB being in a null pile, Eden in the townie pile and himself being in a scummy pile when he defends my post apparently. Observation Nr. 2.

tl ; dr: Why does he say I make good observations when my reads are so different. Seems too content with my list for my taste and too trusting of me. Doesn't lash back about being called scummy.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 22 2015 20:47 GMT
#3344
Why should it matter if I'm ok being called scummy at that point? I was sick as a dog and unable to do a lot and high for a lot. Also I'm asking what the problem is to get more information from dr. I didn't think you should of been the lynch that day.
.
I just woke up ill be around
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 22 2015 21:55 GMT
#3345
it's stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill vivax

damdred is confirmed town
Writer@WriterYamato
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
April 22 2015 23:56 GMT
#3346
On April 23 2015 05:47 Damdred wrote:
Why should it matter if I'm ok being called scummy at that point? I was sick as a dog and unable to do a lot and high for a lot. Also I'm asking what the problem is to get more information from dr. I didn't think you should of been the lynch that day.
.
I just woke up ill be around


Gathered anything while being around? Today is the day of winning so I'd expect some more discourse than the last few days.

Yamato apparently decided I'm mafia long ago and feels it' the safest option for him. No point in trying to reread and find out if you're wrong. Right, yamato?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
April 23 2015 00:00 GMT
#3347
Now I'm not 100 % sure who of you is mafia but the town guy has one task: Be on the fence. Yamato already failed to do that so I'll go ahead and say that he's either bad or scum. I'm not sure if I can tell that his lack of strategy comes from his alignment or cause he can't think logically and plan ahead.

Damdred is kind of being on the fence although I have a hard time telling if he's just being lazy.

Now is the moment to dig up parts of the game you found scummy about your main scumread and present them. The beauty of lylo is that we can talk on a deeper level without so many people around.

Guess you can start with me.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 23 2015 00:22 GMT
#3348
On April 23 2015 08:56 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 05:47 Damdred wrote:
Why should it matter if I'm ok being called scummy at that point? I was sick as a dog and unable to do a lot and high for a lot. Also I'm asking what the problem is to get more information from dr. I didn't think you should of been the lynch that day.
.
I just woke up ill be around


Gathered anything while being around? Today is the day of winning so I'd expect some more discourse than the last few days.

Yamato apparently decided I'm mafia long ago and feels it' the safest option for him. No point in trying to reread and find out if you're wrong. Right, yamato?

damdred is literally confirmed town by the N1 actions, I've explained this in my filter

also you've been scum all game so there's that

also WHO THE FUCK SHOOTS OBI?!

LOLOL
Writer@WriterYamato
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
April 23 2015 00:34 GMT
#3349
On April 23 2015 09:22 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 08:56 Vivax wrote:
On April 23 2015 05:47 Damdred wrote:
Why should it matter if I'm ok being called scummy at that point? I was sick as a dog and unable to do a lot and high for a lot. Also I'm asking what the problem is to get more information from dr. I didn't think you should of been the lynch that day.
.
I just woke up ill be around


Gathered anything while being around? Today is the day of winning so I'd expect some more discourse than the last few days.

Yamato apparently decided I'm mafia long ago and feels it' the safest option for him. No point in trying to reread and find out if you're wrong. Right, yamato?

damdred is literally confirmed town by the N1 actions, I've explained this in my filter

also you've been scum all game so there's that

also WHO THE FUCK SHOOTS OBI?!

LOLOL


He's only confirmed if you knew the actions. If scum fake - RBd him then he isn't. I already said that. Bad memory or tmi yamato?

Tell me how you KNOW that he has been jailed, show me the posts in Edens filter.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 23 2015 00:35 GMT
#3350
On April 23 2015 09:34 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 09:22 yamato77 wrote:
On April 23 2015 08:56 Vivax wrote:
On April 23 2015 05:47 Damdred wrote:
Why should it matter if I'm ok being called scummy at that point? I was sick as a dog and unable to do a lot and high for a lot. Also I'm asking what the problem is to get more information from dr. I didn't think you should of been the lynch that day.
.
I just woke up ill be around


Gathered anything while being around? Today is the day of winning so I'd expect some more discourse than the last few days.

Yamato apparently decided I'm mafia long ago and feels it' the safest option for him. No point in trying to reread and find out if you're wrong. Right, yamato?

damdred is literally confirmed town by the N1 actions, I've explained this in my filter

also you've been scum all game so there's that

also WHO THE FUCK SHOOTS OBI?!

LOLOL


He's only confirmed if you knew the actions. If scum fake - RBd him then he isn't. I already said that. Bad memory or tmi yamato?

Tell me how you KNOW that he has been jailed, show me the posts in Edens filter.

so you believe scum fake-rbed with a claimed vig and a jailkeeper in the game?
Writer@WriterYamato
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
April 23 2015 00:50 GMT
#3351
On April 23 2015 09:35 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 09:34 Vivax wrote:
On April 23 2015 09:22 yamato77 wrote:
On April 23 2015 08:56 Vivax wrote:
On April 23 2015 05:47 Damdred wrote:
Why should it matter if I'm ok being called scummy at that point? I was sick as a dog and unable to do a lot and high for a lot. Also I'm asking what the problem is to get more information from dr. I didn't think you should of been the lynch that day.
.
I just woke up ill be around


Gathered anything while being around? Today is the day of winning so I'd expect some more discourse than the last few days.

Yamato apparently decided I'm mafia long ago and feels it' the safest option for him. No point in trying to reread and find out if you're wrong. Right, yamato?

damdred is literally confirmed town by the N1 actions, I've explained this in my filter

also you've been scum all game so there's that

also WHO THE FUCK SHOOTS OBI?!

LOLOL


He's only confirmed if you knew the actions. If scum fake - RBd him then he isn't. I already said that. Bad memory or tmi yamato?

Tell me how you KNOW that he has been jailed, show me the posts in Edens filter.

so you believe scum fake-rbed with a claimed vig and a jailkeeper in the game?


It's not what I believe (yet), it's what I think is possible. I'm saying your read on Dam for that reason doesn't make sense cause he can fake claim rb and use his shot as scum vig.

Doesn't prove anything about Damdred, it just proves that your reasoning for that confirmed town read is faulty.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 23 2015 02:12 GMT
#3352
Well id rather not spend the entire day defending myself when my body of work is pretty clear and the rb.

I think Eden jkd me n1, he says as much before he realizes oneg/sl are making plays, you also point out a post of fbs in your filter where it sorta reads to me that scum didn't rb me. Its circumstantial especially with the plays going on but I think its pretty solid especially with palmars block and him being hard for killing GB during the day.

Vivax why do you call Yamato bad or scum and it seems you are leaning scum oj him buy then you try to convince him why his read is bad like you know he's town?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
April 23 2015 02:37 GMT
#3353
On April 09 2015 11:58 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +

Why is DreadReturn so concerned with defending GB, and not with providing actual scumreads? It is a common mafia tactic to defend a scummy-looking townie that people want to lynch in an effort to appear active and to derail town's efforts at consolidating on lynches. Based on this, it isn't difficult at all to see mafia motivation in DR's posting.

Plus, he's a fucking smurf.


I think this is my favorite part of what I've read about DR
,( I hate playing with smurfs and DR you should just claim honestly if you are town and care about the game going forward. )

One thing that I do like is the effort he puts in on some of his read posts, his Vivax read I disagree with and he says koshi already made a similar read and I'm trying to determine whether hes just parroting to look better as scum or hes actually doing things as town. I just don't see a lot of scum motivation going after Palmar like he did early or pushing Vivax when it was him on the block.


Here comes the next funny observation. Damdred caling his favourite part the part where DR gets called scum for defending a scummy looking townie (GB lol), who Dam has been hard scumreading all day long.

Or the "Angels" picture from ritoky. You think he'd put himself into a town pile like that with a scumbuddy? Would be quite bold.

More research needed but rereading D1 so far mostly Damdred stuck out to me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
April 23 2015 02:37 GMT
#3354
Lesson from Guardians: Disregard action wifom, lynch cred, lynch scummy looking people.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 23 2015 02:44 GMT
#3355
Oh yea? What was scummy about my d2 and d3 vivax? Why are you talking to Yamato like he's confirmed town?

Also you pull out these posts about Dr but don't point out any interactions I had with mafia GB or mafia ritoky who I pushed lynches on.

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 23 2015 02:46 GMT
#3356
Wait....so what you are telling me is that the Dr lynch in its entirety had basically 0 scum on it the whole cycle and was nothing but town?

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
April 23 2015 14:08 GMT
#3357
Yup, 0 scum on DR. I don't know why you act so surprised, GB and ritoky were somewhere else anyway, and so was the third mafia.

So Damdred, I don't see much doubt in you so far. It's the day of winning or losing. Yamato sees you as confirmed town, what are you waiting for to make your decision? I only see you reacting to me so far.

It should suggest you don't know what to do yet but I don't see much way to figure it out except ask me why I talk to yamato like he's town which is meaningless.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
April 23 2015 14:24 GMT
#3358
It's amazing both of you aren't rereading, 1 guy already decided and both don't do any work. GJ on throwing whoever is the town there. You made it really hard to tell.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 23 2015 14:46 GMT
#3359
Its not meaningless at all, you made your decision to tunnel on me before the day started and have only pushed on and claim you are rereading when all you have done is look at d1 of mine and ignores other interactions I had on that day.

So yea I'm trying to decide which of you is scum its honestly probably you for the way votes went d2 the way you talk to Yamato here when you should be suspecting him instead you talk to him why his read is wrong in your eyes rather than trying to push him as scummy you only push me who you have been hinting at pushing for the past cycle or so.

Pretty sure you are the scum honestly
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
April 23 2015 15:38 GMT
#3360
On April 23 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote:
Its not meaningless at all, you made your decision to tunnel on me before the day started and have only pushed on and claim you are rereading when all you have done is look at d1 of mine and ignores other interactions I had on that day.

So yea I'm trying to decide which of you is scum its honestly probably you for the way votes went d2 the way you talk to Yamato here when you should be suspecting him instead you talk to him why his read is wrong in your eyes rather than trying to push him as scummy you only push me who you have been hinting at pushing for the past cycle or so.

Pretty sure you are the scum honestly


I didn't decide to tunnel you, I just dug up everything I could find on the D1 reread and confronted you with something that is scummy.

Yamato's read can be wrong regardless of alingnment. Right now you sound very nervous dude. I mean, these accusations about me talking to yamato like I could think he's not scum which is a evry real possibility you should be able to see since in the same lines you complain about being "tunneled" don't sound like something you would believe.

I don't take anything for granted at lylo so accusing me of not speaking to just one guy like he's confirmed scum is pretty shitty. I want to evaluate both of you but yamato doesn't allow it by not posting at all except taunting, semi-aggressive posts and you just react to my posts without doing anything else on your own.

Whoever is town of you both is playing very badly and it's sad. I still was the most active guy in the game, I noticed how on D1 I interacted with a ton of people. Be it Koshi or Palmar, when that happened both you and yamato didn't chime in much. Actually yamato chimed in more whereas your D1 Damdred is characterized by multiple things that don't make sense from your PoV, like those defenses I quoted, and a pure focus on GB as scum.

I'm not sure I buy it that you were so much more confident on GB than you were on Eden given you called the latter scum on multiple times as well but it still was GB no matter what happened. I don't know if it's a play or not.
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