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On April 13 2015 23:48 Half the Sky wrote:
Welcome Trfel. Town are on track for an ML D2.
I'm taking the approach of evaluating each of the main wagons D1 with the working theory there are 2 scum on the plot wagon and one on the Stutters counter wagon.
I evaluated the Stutters counterwagon last night with Tube and possibly Dwarf being suspect.
I have Rasputin/others wanting to lynch me for faulty logic (namely my changing votes on Stutters 2m before EoD) without considering the possibly that 1) I can't consider all possibility simultaneously and 2) it being completely unreasonable to expect a detailed case with the scant amount of time left. I've explained it enough, so I'm filter diving the people on the plot wagon atm.
lol hts ><
just read my case; it's quite clear what i'm saying there
i never said i needed a detailed case from you. i said you apparently came to the revelation that stutters was scum and plot was town, and you believed it enough to switch your vote, but not enough to try to get anyone to switch with you
these are the simple facts. you did not push it even with a simple, vote stutters guys i'm pretty sure plot is town! post. in fact it's pretty unclear what your conclusion on plot's alignment even was in your vote post and has to be inferred? of course i didn't expect a case in the last two minutes that's ludicrous lol ><
the pages in question truffle start around 44 and lead through EoD
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On April 14 2015 00:03 Half the Sky wrote:
Second issue Trfel is that town are also dealing with a few scummy lurkers namely Stutters, dwarf and Bourneq.
this is true
hts, i already said i'm not stuck on you, but i do need you to convince me someone is more scummy than you, yeah? stutters said he'd be playing today so he has no excuse not to, but dwarf and bourne seem to have dropped off the face of the earth lol ><
i'm not going to ignore you, hts. i've grown past the blindly tunnel phase as a player (i'd like to think, anyway xP)
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On April 14 2015 00:11 Half the Sky wrote:
Ras to be honest I have a much bigger problem with the way Tube is pushing me than I have with you.
Trfel, vote count analysis is pretty common in these games. You should recall Damdred doing this in Guardians.
you're right, hts, but usually people do it combined with reads? it isn't pure oh vote looks scummy therefore scum
like i caught -celestial- because he was vocal that he didn't like the main wagon but still wasted his vote instead of trying to save him (lol sound a little familiar here?  ) and i cleared breshke in a later game cause even though his vote looked scummy, the lead-up to it looked genuine
if you're town i get what you're trying to do, but it doesn't really work the way you're doing it, ya know?
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On April 14 2015 00:36 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 00:29 Trfel wrote:Hm, I might have a cool way to read Half the Sky. But if she really is scum here, maybe I should just not reveal it until next game I'd better check my meta first, though. On an unrelated note: On April 10 2015 06:12 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Hey, im not at least the last one  I'm sad now  Why you are sad Im happy 
it lives! xP
dwarf, you got anything for me? i want to know what you thiiiink
who is scum?
who is town?
what do you think of my case and what do you think of stutters?
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On April 14 2015 01:06 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:On April 14 2015 00:36 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On April 14 2015 00:29 Trfel wrote:Hm, I might have a cool way to read Half the Sky. But if she really is scum here, maybe I should just not reveal it until next game I'd better check my meta first, though. On an unrelated note: On April 10 2015 06:12 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Hey, im not at least the last one I'm sad now Why you are sad Im happy what do you think of my case About Half the Sky?
yes about hts
also lol if stutters dropped dead this second from a rare and crazy day 1 cancer bug who would you want to lynch?
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On April 14 2015 01:10 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 00:17 rsoultin wrote:you're right, hts, but usually people do it combined with reads? it isn't pure oh vote looks scummy therefore scum like i caught -celestial- because he was vocal that he didn't like the main wagon but still wasted his vote instead of trying to save him (lol sound a little familiar here? ) and i cleared breshke in a later game cause even though his vote looked scummy, the lead-up to it looked genuine if you're town i get what you're trying to do, but it doesn't really work the way you're doing it, ya know? Pretty sure I've been analysing the context of the vote (arguments around it) aside from the placement of vote and timing? Particularly with Tube? Unless you meant my response to Trfel. I'm free for an hour so a bit more mobile on the laptop on this forum atm \o/ Anyhow, carrying on.
it was my understand that when you posted it you hadn't looked into anyone yet? lol but if you plan on doing so carry on and ignore me
-beats truffle with a wet noodle-
unless you're serious about claiming scum xP then by all means...makes my day easy ^^
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On April 14 2015 01:28 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 01:14 Trfel wrote:
Onegu
Onegu's opening is just terrible. I'm pretty sure that he is scum here. Plotspot was obviously a new player trying to figure out how to play the game, if anything I would read plotspot's opening posts as slightly towny. And Onegu was so quick to jump on scumreading him.
I'd definitely prefer to lynch Onegu than this weird lynch on Half the Sky for just changing her vote.
One scum down, two to go. Ok I'm back in thread. Bro am I high or did you just claim scum?? Didn't you replace Onegu? O_O
second scummer caught!
why so serious, shining? (stop bussing your scummate; it was a joke, bro xP)
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or the truth made to look like a joke o.0
-eyes truffle-
more seriously, y'all both owe me reads xP -cracks whip-
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:/ that case against oneg looks pretty good hts lol ><
mrt, i need to get some food myself and read through everything again, clearly
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On April 14 2015 05:17 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 05:09 Tubesock wrote:On April 14 2015 05:03 Stutters695 wrote:
I would disagree with that being an answer.
Anyways, until I think of a better way to word that what do you think about prpl? Are you being serious about asking Trfel why he changed his "scum read" on his slot he replaced into? I'm missing something. Reactions dawg. Just want to see what he'd say. Honestly, I've seen people make similar mistakes replacing in (I almost wrote a case on myself in WLIIA way back in the day after replacing in). Trfel: pg14 was basically a decade ago, do you disagree with my assessment? What do you make of HtS's case on you?
lol, this push is based on what, a joke scumclaim and a case against truffle's slot based on nothing truffle has done? xP you'd do better to provide the evidence supporting your metaread on prp
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On April 14 2015 07:09 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
:/ that case against oneg looks pretty good hts lol ><
mrt, i need to get some food myself and read through everything again, clearly Did you have any initial thoughts by the way if you've re-read? Especially as I recall you were uncomfortable with Onegu early on and he provided some reasons for scumming you post lynch D1 that you took issue with IIRC.
the main thing that jumped out at me was that it's true he was pushing the main wagon of his scumread, which makes no logical sense unless he thought i was bussing or was scumreading plotspot more than me lol >< tbf i do buss like a mofo as scum xP but regardless i don't think he ever bothered to connect the two
as for his reasons for scumreading me post lynch, i didn't care that much? he was high and i figured he just hadn't read most of the thread yet? lol he did after all say something along the lines of my filter was only fully of questions and metareads which is blatantly untrue to anyone reading the game
i've been leaning town on onegu because of him berating people to get on plotspot
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meh rereading onegu i think half of why i dropped him is cause he was in the hospital lol >< there were several things bugging me about his play, and while i still think it's hugely risky for him to push that mislynch so vocally as scum, it's not like it's impossible
i'm very susceptible to townreading people i like >< (that's not to say i don't like you if i scumread you xP lol)
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On April 12 2015 05:46 Onegu wrote:
So we have a scum claim and you dummies don't want to lynch the shit out of him!?
Please tell me what I am missing? Or is it just that you guys are being bad.
this post is the one i'm referring to?
i recognize that he hadn't voted yet, but it's a pretty strong push to keep people on plotspot
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On April 14 2015 08:37 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 06:45 rsoultin wrote:On April 14 2015 05:17 Stutters695 wrote:On April 14 2015 05:09 Tubesock wrote:On April 14 2015 05:03 Stutters695 wrote:
I would disagree with that being an answer.
Anyways, until I think of a better way to word that what do you think about prpl? Are you being serious about asking Trfel why he changed his "scum read" on his slot he replaced into? I'm missing something. Reactions dawg. Just want to see what he'd say. Honestly, I've seen people make similar mistakes replacing in (I almost wrote a case on myself in WLIIA way back in the day after replacing in). Trfel: pg14 was basically a decade ago, do you disagree with my assessment? What do you make of HtS's case on you? lol, this push is based on what, a joke scumclaim and a case against truffle's slot based on nothing truffle has done? xP you'd do better to provide the evidence supporting your metaread on prp Meta reads aren't as simple as "scum prpl posts xyz as scum but only xy as town" unless the person is bad and prpl isn't that bad. Take roulette as an example: pages and pages of one liners and occasionally a random vote. However, he'll drop posts like his case (another on p1 and another on p2) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/414632-roulette-mini-mafia?user=prplhz&page=4. That is not existent here. It's still early, so that enough isn't alone, but read the questions he asks compared to here. His questions show a clear lines of thought about the subject of his posts. This occurs in Storm 2 as well. Less so on the scum hunting side but you can tell who he thinks is town, how he's leaning on certain people (not wanting to lynch robik for example). Compare that to here: the specifics are lacking. He corrects Onegu, points out he's not paying attention and asks if he'll put effort into the game. Nothing about why he's scum (such as misrepresenting plot to try and lynch him, just basic matter of fact info. When he wants people to vote Bourneq, again it's for not paying attention/posting unless prodded. Nothing that actually establishes why scum Bourn would do that until later and then it's just "scum don't want to contribute." Which would be cool, except as soon as Bourneq starts posting more he drops it despite not really pushing for his lynch. Then HtS (off of one post)whom he drops for Plot and throws together a good case on him. He actually asks about him, asks for our input on what we think of Plot, I answer which he ignores and then pushes me on for basically what he pushed Bourneq for. Then drops me for meta reasons, but won't elaborate at all. In Titanic it's more of the same. He "has a hard time" establishing actual scum reads, while in his town games he's much more sure of himself. Phone posting so I can pull up specifics later, but if you read just his filter in those games you'll see what I mean.
the distinction, if it exists, is pretty subtle lol >< and to be quite frank with you, from having actually played with him as scum in titanic, i'm inclined to trust my own judgment over yours in terms of what is and isn't his scum play
my judgment has been pretty good so far in that respect
no offense to prp, he isn't exactly the most dazzling player as either alignment, but i got the sense he was really stepping up trying to get the thread going in the absence of town leaders from his early play, which i see no need for him to do if he's scum? maybe the specifics will help me understand what you're saying more
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student V, jjb, was the one you were tracker in xP
i will never forget student V...it lives on in infamy! -_-
dude, prp...i really do not understand the unwavering townread on dwarf? even giving him a ton of slack as a newbie he's just...blah
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##unvote
trying something and nope i won't explain what it is ^^
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On April 14 2015 09:19 prplhz wrote:
i was taking great offense but i'll pause for a moment to answer your question.
it's not about giving him tons of slack, it's about him doing weird shit for no reason. seriously no player in their first game as scum thinks it's a super good idea to say stuff like "i'm mysterious" and "stop digging into that" three times. he's just screaming for attention like that. look at bourneq who is wholly unforgettable and barely doing anything. that's super scummy but people are still like "lets lynch newbies who act weird" even after the plot lynch. the dwarf lynch is as bad as the plot lynch was.
the tons of slack comment was about me xP i am giving him tons of slack and trying to pull things from him
lol i don't disagree with you? it's the main thing that's been keeping me from voting him up to this point, just because...such a god-awful obviously bad way to play scum >< like i'd feel like the biggest imbecile on the planet if at end of game he ends up being scum just cause he's like the poster child for scummy play this game lol
i'm just confused how you have a townread on him
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On April 14 2015 09:27 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 09:24 rsoultin wrote:
lol i don't disagree with you? it's the main thing that's been keeping me from voting him up to this point, just because...such a god-awful obviously bad way to play scum >< like i'd feel like the biggest imbecile on the planet if at end of game he ends up being scum just cause he's like the poster child for scummy play this game lol
i'm just confused how you have a townread on him My first tinfoil hat theory this game: What if this game is like Down Under 2 where the mafia team is relatively inactive? Pass the tinfoil anyone?
god don't mention mafia down under 2 ><
like student v and down under 2 are the games i want incinerated from the database and the very annals of time lol xP such bad plaaaaay ><
i have such an aversion to lynching lurkers :/ even though it's not bad play to do so, always feels like a cop out instead of getting "real" scumreads lynched. i would have so thrown our first game together xP
that said...the almost sleepy nature of the thread lends credence to that theory? i wouldn't call it tinfoil
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On April 14 2015 09:29 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 09:24 rsoultin wrote:On April 14 2015 09:19 prplhz wrote:
i was taking great offense but i'll pause for a moment to answer your question.
it's not about giving him tons of slack, it's about him doing weird shit for no reason. seriously no player in their first game as scum thinks it's a super good idea to say stuff like "i'm mysterious" and "stop digging into that" three times. he's just screaming for attention like that. look at bourneq who is wholly unforgettable and barely doing anything. that's super scummy but people are still like "lets lynch newbies who act weird" even after the plot lynch. the dwarf lynch is as bad as the plot lynch was. the tons of slack comment was about me xP i am giving him tons of slack and trying to pull things from him lol i don't disagree with you? it's the main thing that's been keeping me from voting him up to this point, just because...such a god-awful obviously bad way to play scum >< like i'd feel like the biggest imbecile on the planet if at end of game he ends up being scum just cause he's like the poster child for scummy play this game lol i'm just confused how you have a townread on him because of the things i just said? i'm not going to say "too scummy to be scum" because that's dumb. when a guy say "i'm mysterious" in his first game then he's probably town. there. i don't think we'll get much more out of him this game and i'm not going to lynch him for that unless i end up in a situation with a bunch of people looking more townie than him and we're far from there. rso say something about bourneq
there's not much to say about him?
the longer he's out of the thread the more he falls -shrugs- everything else has already been said, between what hts pointed out (which you already noticed) about the ace/tbd reads
lol >< i dunnae something just seemed genuine to me about his issue with emoticons/people joking
i'm not adverse to lynching him, i just don't have much of an opinion on him one way or another? i could make one up for you xP if that's what you really want
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On April 14 2015 09:36 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 09:35 rsoultin wrote:On April 14 2015 09:29 prplhz wrote:On April 14 2015 09:24 rsoultin wrote:On April 14 2015 09:19 prplhz wrote:
i was taking great offense but i'll pause for a moment to answer your question.
it's not about giving him tons of slack, it's about him doing weird shit for no reason. seriously no player in their first game as scum thinks it's a super good idea to say stuff like "i'm mysterious" and "stop digging into that" three times. he's just screaming for attention like that. look at bourneq who is wholly unforgettable and barely doing anything. that's super scummy but people are still like "lets lynch newbies who act weird" even after the plot lynch. the dwarf lynch is as bad as the plot lynch was. the tons of slack comment was about me xP i am giving him tons of slack and trying to pull things from him lol i don't disagree with you? it's the main thing that's been keeping me from voting him up to this point, just because...such a god-awful obviously bad way to play scum >< like i'd feel like the biggest imbecile on the planet if at end of game he ends up being scum just cause he's like the poster child for scummy play this game lol i'm just confused how you have a townread on him because of the things i just said? i'm not going to say "too scummy to be scum" because that's dumb. when a guy say "i'm mysterious" in his first game then he's probably town. there. i don't think we'll get much more out of him this game and i'm not going to lynch him for that unless i end up in a situation with a bunch of people looking more townie than him and we're far from there. rso say something about bourneq there's not much to say about him? the longer he's out of the thread the more he falls -shrugs- everything else has already been said, between what hts pointed out (which you already noticed) about the ace/tbd reads lol >< i dunnae something just seemed genuine to me about his issue with emoticons/people joking i'm not adverse to lynching him, i just don't have much of an opinion on him one way or another? i could make one up for you xP if that's what you really want yea please make something up that's obviously what i really want why do you think dwarf is more likely scum than bourneq?
i don't lol
where do you get that from?
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