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Tubesock
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On April 15 2015 04:24 rsoultin wrote: shining, talk to me about bresh? there's not a ton to say about tbd...he's a policy lynch through and through unless y'all are seeing codes in his posts somewhere Don't get me started. | ||
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Tubesock
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Anyway, after you talk to Shining and get what you need, I'd like to of course talk to you about not voting shining. | ||
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On April 15 2015 05:20 The Shining wrote: Yeah wow mind meld moment. I'm actually interested in what Tube and Stutters have to say about Bresh D2. Im still on Dwarf but I could move to Bresh. Kind of disappointed that Prpl and JJB aren't here, either. They are still question marks for me and not in a good way. Don't move to Breshke. He hasn't been leading town at all but I've liked all the interactions I've had with him and with others. He's been a useful sounding board. Definitely worth more to keep around that Dwarf. | ||
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Have you not considered his mates are waiting for his wagon to really start before they vote him? How about since he's new AND under heavy scrutiny his mates adviced him to clam up and not say anything to AVOID OUTING THEM???? | ||
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Tubesock
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On April 15 2015 05:54 Breshke wrote: tube i really think you are tunneld in on TBD because of your early reasoning's. Yes your reasons are much less out there now but i still think it comes from a place where you want your earlier arguments to be right. The problem though is that my tinfoils generally turn out true. Not 100% but in like 5 games (obs/played/read), they found at least 2 games in every single one. Shining is basically a policy for people. Mines a policy AND WITH VALID REASONS!!!!!! | ||
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On April 15 2015 06:05 Trfel wrote: Because Breshke is town, and prplhz is town? I'm fairly confident that The Shining is scum here. I expect that scum defended him pretty hard here. I don't want to go too far down that road though, it's unflipped associations. It just frustrates me to lynch a complete shot in the dark over someone being inconsistent and unimpressive, when I know that The Shining is capable of quite a lot. The problem with lynching Shining is that it's perfectly reasonable that he still wasn't caught up and not ready to put in the work. That newbie game (the one HTS said LX??) he was in that and he didn't turn on until like Day 3 or 4. He didn't replace in either. Here he kinda posted a read or whatever but didn't really go for it. Scott131337 replaced in as mafia and made this pretty list post with links. In that he said he used a post of mine that was a long essentially town read of 2 wagon'd towns the previous day. I asked him why that was my shining example of towniness and he said "You said you couldn't sleep, so I thought that was towny." I immediately knew he was scum (didn't case him though). As mafia you absolutely have to show you have read the thread. As town, well what's the hurry? While you will eventually, since people will think you are not solving the game unless you read, but it's not an imperative. So no. Shining probaly is town. Or at least just as easily as not. This isn't to say that you are mafia for putting in all that work, it's just that mafia has a far far more motivation to show reading the thread. WIFOM cause some vets know this and will use it as a town tell too. | ||
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Tubesock
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I think I have this game solved. I need time to double check. Prp, Rso, Shining all town. I absolutely believe Shining. Who thinks Rsoultin was a NK risk? I didn't and I have a huge mafia skill crush on her. I didn't think HTS would be either I thought Stutters, Trfel, or Breshke. I didn't do a legacy either as I'd think scum would be dumb to shoot me over those three. HTS died cause she was on to something or the biggest risk. | ||
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Tubesock
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On April 16 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote: I dont do wills either. Im not saying its scummy to do wills. I was saying its scummy for rso not to do wills. Why are you so believing of shining? Have you seen his reason for shooting stutters. Tell me how it makes sense? Ok, I may eat my words later if Shining gets CC'd but I think the scenario where he doesn't shoot D1 can be explained by lack of confidence in D1 reads. I think that too he thought D3 he was up for a mlynch or that town had high risk for it. If he waited till N3 it would be too late. I'll look back on his read. There are some other things that I'm considering that fit the world I'm seeing. I was confused with your Prp hammer but was giving you excuses. And this fakeclaim play is so bad. I think you see that you can sweep town and are going for the big play now. I understand Prplhz's reasons for foregoing the no lynch. He thinks he has it solved (he's wrong). But you don't have the game solved so I don't like your reasons to skip no lynch at all. No fucking way. It's such bad play. But you want to end this because you are mafia. | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:15 Breshke wrote: It i actually worrying because i was hoping trefel or tube were the vigi because then people wouldnt try to push the world where i got a partner to CC. I dont get how tube believes shining so quick without adressing the fact of why he shot stutters. Also youd think that fact that the shining wants to lynch one of his town reads you would think he would take pause and talk to him about that before believing him straight away You'll find out why soon enough. | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:21 Breshke wrote: I wont argue the fake claim play could be total shit. I will argue this. What do we get from a no lynch. Someone who most people agree is town dies. Probably you or trefel. That gets us nowhere and we still HAVE TO lynch mafia tomorrow. Instead we lynch today. We lynch mafia today and if we lynch the roleblocker then there is every chance mafia tries to shoot the vet and we gain a misslynch. Lynching today gives us a chance to get a misslynch back. No lynching gets us nothing but one dead townie. We gain 5 days before we lynch. Mafia are in a race against time. No lynch provides a great resource for town. Another night kill and time to sort out the rest. | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:54 The Shining wrote: No lynch post: Why the Fuck would I come out and explain that logic in a post where I decided not to claim? Read the bolded. How would I know how the vigi is feeling? It was an attempt at bread crumbling before I decided to claim. I was torn on claiming after EoN. There is something else important about this post. | ||
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Tubesock
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On April 16 2015 12:21 Breshke wrote: to make it clear the original plan was. Claim vigi. Get shot during the night and unclaim vigi right before day post. Shining claimed vigi and i was so sure he was scum claiming to try and win the game. It seems that i am wrong So your plan was to make a big play, hope we not only lynch mafia but also 33% chance hit the roleblocker? Not to mention the risk of how much chaos this causes talking about if the CC is real or scum? Your plan is that scum would automatically see your claim and decide to CC or bank on them CCing the real vigi? And then how long did you wait for this play to develop? Now you claim Vet. So, more chaos. You're saying you're playing weird because you are vet. What was your strategy prior to the last night actions? | ||
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Tubesock
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On April 16 2015 12:42 Trfel wrote: Can everyone agree on this? If Breshke is not actually the veteran, he absolutely gets lynched here. No possibility whatsoever for him to rescind his claim. If The Shining is not actually the vigilante, he absolutely gets lynched here. No possibility whatsoever for him to rescind his claim. Therefore, it is imperative that if Breshke is not the real veteran and/or The Shining is not the real vigilante, that the real power role(s) must claim as soon as possible. Just to make it absolutely clear. This is just opening it up for mafia to fakeclaim and then we fight it out on who is scummier Breshke or whoever claims. Is this any better of a position? | ||
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On April 16 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote: im all for mafia cc'ing me I wont be rolling over after i fuck up bad If you are mafia you also have every reason to tryhard here too. This is wifom at best. ##Unvote ##No Lynch | ||
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Tubesock
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On April 16 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote: Yeah i didn't say that. Im saying that if there is another person who wants to claim vet they should. Which i thought you were disagreeing with. I'm not sure about this. We already have to talk about your claim(s)/play vs shinings counter. Now you want us to add a Vet CC on you? So what you're fakeclaiming Vet here too? | ||
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On April 16 2015 13:03 The Shining wrote: Trfel, you've been flip floppy a lot today. You offered no lynch, then back tracked. Your eon reaction seemed a little fake. You let off some anger then rescinded it. Now you're back to no lynch. Could this be because you know who the blues are now? What is your current read on me? My recent actions. My vig claim. I need you to stop posting flip flops and find scum/start poe. HTS defended you when I called you out on your vote to hammer Dwarf mislynch over prpl. This could explain HTS nk. If she's dead, she never revisits Trfel. If Breshke is in fact vet, then that's 3 town on Prpl. Stutters, hts, breshke. The other is jjb, who I'm not convinced is town but this is partially due to bias from our last game together. RSo, I'd actually like to see your current thoughts on JJB. This, coupled with the fact that Trfel hammered Dwarf, shows me Prpl is scum. Whether it was Breshke panicking and setting up to bus Prl, or Trfel hammering to save scummate Prpl, the conclusion is still that Prpl is scum in this world. I think I'm voting Prpl, provided Bresh isn't cc'd. Note: I'm on the subway typing this post. No phone service. The last post when I started was Breshke's unvote post. Anything after that, I haven't seen or read yet so I apologize if the timing of this post seems awkward. Did you notice the other person who immediately noticed that Half the Sky was vigi shot? | ||
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Tubesock
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On April 16 2015 13:21 The Shining wrote: Do you mean the fact that Trfels reaction that I called fake had already assumed Stutters was vigi shot? And was that you trying to get me to slip? I shot Stutters, not HTS. Gah I typed that wrong. I fully believe you are vigi. I meant that yes Trfel also immediately knew HtS was mafia shot. No need to consider. No time to either. I'm rereading and it's possible that in his filter he was scumming Stutters so thought it was a vigi shot. But I need to find it. | ||
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