On April 17 2015 14:36 rsoultin wrote: eh honestly i don't see what's so scummy about the claim talks? like yeah i could see this world you have where breshke is scum with truffle and they just claim, encourage a cc, and both blues are outed but lol >< that world falls apart the moment you say breshke is scum
like if truffle and breshke are scum they have to be scum for more than just that >< that's like paranoid fear, tube
Possible. But the paranoid fear is what got me to recheck him.
I didn't like all the Bluehunting centric talk while he pressured Stutters. His play made me realize I was making excuses for his play based on my earlier read.
My biggest point is I think you guys are biased from your first reads. I don't think you are looking at the game objectively.
I mean Prp and Stutters fight for a full cycle for doing the exact same thing. Both are town. Same thing here. Trfel got towned for doing big posts with nothing that anyone really talked about. He pushed the Shining lynch basically on the sale that he can't read pages 7 - 23 in 30 minutes. Those pages are nothing but one liners essentially. It's not hard to read it that fast. I think Trfel was scumming Shining and basically making it look like he was the standard of effort that should apply.
The case on The Shining was about inconsistency between how much time he implied he was spending on the game and the quality of his reads that he implied versus the amount of time he actually spent playing the game and the actual quality of his reads. I won't go into it much now, obviously I was wrong.
Note that Breshke (confirmed town) scumread The Shining with me, and rsoultin (likely town) townread The Shining primarily due to a good blue read (which I missed, I'm a terrible blue hunter).
xP
actually i didn't unvote him till we mindmelded, but i did note that and thought it was odd, and i liked that he returned to the thread with a unique read lol >< some of the points i'd made before, but some of them i hadn't. if your only goal is survival you push the counterwagon, not someone not even being voted. yes he voted the counterwagon, but then he wanted to talk about his scumread. that seemed townie to me, enough to believe the breadcrumb may be real (though i did realize i might have been reading too much into it lolol ><)
but i was scumreading him for mostly the same things as truffle (minus the minutes part)
On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote: Why are you guys towning Trfel?
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why?
Yes. I'm scum because I did something that looks towny.
Tubesock, this simply isn't how to scumhunt. To scumhunt, you want to look for mafia motivation. However, this doesn't mean look for "why would they do this as mafia", it means to look for the reasons that mafia would do this that town wouldn't have. Me making my four analysis posts is something I would definitely do as town, and would probably do as scum. In and of itself, it's not alignment indicative. Read what I said, that's what is alignment indicative.
Nothing that you have posted suggests that I am scum. You've only showed that you disagree with several of the reasons that I have been townread. The one real potentially scummy thing in my filter, my hammer on TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, isn't a reason you are scumreading me.
Apparently I killed Half the Sky because she was the biggest threat to me. So what? She was the biggest threat to most everyone. Just because Trfel would have killed Half the Sky here doesn't mean that any other mafia team would not. And it doesn't mean that I am scum.
Even as scum, you need to keep these things in mind. You can do crazy things and hope to get townread anyway, and often it will work, but normally your support dries up. Eventually you need some actual reasons behind your pushes.
What's alignment indicative is things of what you do. You agree that your extra effort is something that you would do as either alignment. I'm trying to get town to see that they shouldn't town you for it. I also think you had to overcompensate for Onegu's scumminess.
I don't think it is nearly as easy as "oh this post is alignment indicative." Or this one, it's too easy to fake. It's more about intentions of what they are doing. I don't want town to just pass you as town. I think that's a very dangerous mistake.
tube, is truffle your most sure scumread right now? -prods- this is more important than the argument back and forth
On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote: Why are you guys towning Trfel?
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why?
Yes. I'm scum because I did something that looks towny.
Tubesock, this simply isn't how to scumhunt. To scumhunt, you want to look for mafia motivation. However, this doesn't mean look for "why would they do this as mafia", it means to look for the reasons that mafia would do this that town wouldn't have. Me making my four analysis posts is something I would definitely do as town, and would probably do as scum. In and of itself, it's not alignment indicative. Read what I said, that's what is alignment indicative.
Nothing that you have posted suggests that I am scum. You've only showed that you disagree with several of the reasons that I have been townread. The one real potentially scummy thing in my filter, my hammer on TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, isn't a reason you are scumreading me.
Apparently I killed Half the Sky because she was the biggest threat to me. So what? She was the biggest threat to most everyone. Just because Trfel would have killed Half the Sky here doesn't mean that any other mafia team would not. And it doesn't mean that I am scum.
Even as scum, you need to keep these things in mind. You can do crazy things and hope to get townread anyway, and often it will work, but normally your support dries up. Eventually you need some actual reasons behind your pushes.
What's alignment indicative is things of what you do. You agree that your extra effort is something that you would do as either alignment. I'm trying to get town to see that they shouldn't town you for it. I also think you had to overcompensate for Onegu's scumminess.
I don't think it is nearly as easy as "oh this post is alignment indicative." Or this one, it's too easy to fake. It's more about intentions of what they are doing. I don't want town to just pass you as town. I think that's a very dangerous mistake.
tube, is truffle your most sure scumread right now? -prods- this is more important than the argument back and forth
Yes by far. I think he was faking being town this last day to get us to lynch today. I think he was trying to get credit for "leading town" and I don't think it's a towny direction.
bourneq lol >< i know you've already explained this, but it's sitting weird cause when I ctrl-F'd prplhz' name your wording in your posts (it's in the spoiler in the big post i posted earlier) suggested you were frustrated/dropping your prplhz push because you were accused of OMGUS. when did you start thinking that you were maybe just scumreading him for scumreading you?
(i find this especially weird since both of you seemed pretty adamant about each other day 1 but ended up pushing other players)
also, why do you think tube and truffle could be scum together?
On April 10 2015 09:09 prplhz wrote: bloodydwarf comes in here and says some weird shit about cops saving him. that seems very poorly thought out and like it's just something his fingers wrote and then he pressed enter. doesn't seem like something scum would just say. considering that scum know the setup i imagine they'd actually be inclined not to talk about it if they can avoid it.
On April 11 2015 02:31 prplhz wrote: welll i'm just going to drop bourneq for now he's beginning to put in some effort so maybe he's town who knows. anyway, i'm not getting anywhere with it so i'm just going to drop it.
He then drops his crusade against me when seeing a lack of support. It looks to me like he is afraid of looking scum.
On April 11 2015 02:28 prplhz wrote: OMGUS means he thinks you're calling me scum because i'm calling you scum
he's saying you have decent arguments but unfortunately he has a hard time believing them because he thinks maybe you're just calling me scum because i'm calling you scum
I never called him scum before that post. So why is he fabricating a OMGUS response from me?
i know you weren't voting him, but how is this not pushing him? to clarify, by pushing i mean saying someone is scum/likely scum for xyz reasons lol ><
...:/ i guess i just don't understand? i don't understand how you can be certain enough that you keep presenting evidence against prplhz, yet keep defaulting to other newbie players. it makes sense a bit day 1 in that prp definitely wasn't getting lynched, but not much sense at all day 2
reads almost like you're just going for the comfortable lynches?
you never did say why you thought truffle and tube could be scum together lol ><
On April 18 2015 02:05 Bourneq wrote: Well now I've got towns and scum on me. There is no way for me to not die unless rso changes his mind. I will flip VT and town will loose.
i haven't voted you yet, bourneq, and even if i did vote you now, votes can change. talk to me about who i should be voting instead
lol and please answer the tube/truffle question >< people dodging questions always makes me itchy
On April 18 2015 02:21 Bourneq wrote: I don't understand why they could not be scum together and try to derail town. Trfel is voting me so he is not going for tube and tube has just parked his vote on trfel. I highly doubt it will stay there.
except if you're town...why would they want to derail town?
it was. i'm saying that if they're scum and you're town being mislynched, what is the purpose of derailing town from the mislynch they need to win the game?
On April 18 2015 02:32 Bourneq wrote: Oh okay I think I see what you're saying. But they we're on eachoter many hours ago, my fate has been sealed only recently. The day is ending soon and I dont think they will conveniantly not be back for eod.
hmmm lol i had a thought >< reserving it for now, though, cause truffle will whine at me and regardless i'm not going to lynch him today xP
who should i lynch instead of you? prplhz? tubesock? jjb? sell it to me. if you've read my post, you already know why i think you're the most likely scum here, so convince me someone else is more likely to flip scum
On April 15 2015 09:15 Half the Sky wrote: I'm honestly fairly convinced prp is scum. In addition to the games Stutters provided, I skimmed filters from:
Default Suspicions WH Champ 2 Carnival Cruise
The first two games further supported the points brought up previously for him as a townie. But most notably, in the third game, Carnival Cruise, where he was mafia, he voted 2-3 players for being mafia on doing nothing or adding nothing of value to the game, which is what he's doing here to some extent. Kushm4sta was one of them, can't remember the other two offhand.
Which gives even more credence to the theory has trouble coming up with scumreads as mafia.
i was going back through HTS' filter, and it looks like her primary reason for scumreading prp was meta? you do realize that you were her next probable scum, bourneq lol ><
i want you to talk to me about what you think now, not quote old posts
yeah i have no clue how to react naturally to being scumread when i'm scum? my first response is usually...well lol yeah you're right, hts
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obviously can't post that xP
and jjb and i even talked about staging a fight but our schedules never converged and we forgot lol ><
truffle dude you handed us one with bourneq...scum isn't pushing him that was a gem xP and tube wasn't playing to survive. he was our buss strategy so lol course he looked scummy that was the point
really good play by tube in the end for his first scumgame
bourneq your game was great man for your first game...i think you got discouraged later because of the scumreads all game but you really did do a good job lol >< prp townreading the other two for basically nothing but giving you flak was unfortunate, cause i would have said you were the most clearly town of the 3 ^^
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