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On April 17 2015 11:39 prplhz wrote: I should like to lynch rsoultin in the face and I believe I've made a multitude of statements expressing this sentiment. not happening, and if you're town you have to vote with town here anyway. pick someone else | ||
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On April 17 2015 11:47 prplhz wrote: nope voting you. if you and four others are town then you need to put someone else to 4 votes before deadline. lol -_- don't think it hasn't crossed my mind that the reason your wagon hasn't gotten any interest is you'd only get two more votes on it at best | ||
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On April 17 2015 11:46 prplhz wrote: because he was playing like a new player plays scum? super timid? and the other two guys were not playing like new players play scum? they didn't give a fuck and said weird shit all the time? this is super simple. ace was just not there, i didn't really think anything of that. sometimes people are just not there. it happens a lot especially in new games. i did get a little suspicious because before the game he'd said something like "so stoked for this" and then BAM he gone but, again, sometimes people are not there. tonereads...what was super timid about bourneq's play? (day 1 mind you...i can pull shit on all the times he's banked on that "i'm just a newbie and don't know what I'm doing" line since EoD day 1, too) | ||
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On April 17 2015 11:57 prplhz wrote: afraid to give opinion, didn't have opinions, mostly showed up when people poked him. just the way he talked seemed like he didn't want to make mistakes. look at plot and dwarf and how they talked they didn't give a fuck because that's what new people do. i mean all this is just toneready but you know about this which is also a reason i've been suspicious about you. you know what a toneread is and you should have seen that. sorry i'm pulling the "you're better than this" card because i know good people are able to have bad days, but that's just more likely in a scum. blaming TBD lynch solely on me is silly. TBD got lynched because i couldn't explain how he was town well enough for town to understand but there are two parties involved in that. -_- i'm not blaming you for the TBD lynch. i'm saying you blaming others for it like you weren't the counter-lynch is ridiculous >< no matter how sure you are about a toneread, you have to be more sure of your own alignment lol >< just because you have a toneread on someone, even one i generally agree with, doesn't mean we'll reach the same conclusions? of course i know what tonereads are! truffle almost instantly got townread by me because of it, and not for the wordy posts lol >< he's fully capable of posting long posts as scum i saw all the weird switches back and forth as not terribly afraid, for the record >< he also wasn't afraid to tell you to shove it on a post that wasn't alignment indicative. like i don't get how you go from voting for ace to saying tbd is the scummiest, but it wasn't like he was sheeping anything there because there was no time in between i'm not saying he's town, but i do find it pretty odd you had him as scum so early >< when he was arguably more active than the other two, contributing more (which also doesn't really support the timid thing?) and making some odd comments of his own. his later play is definitely timid -_- | ||
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i'd rather vote bourneq over tubesock, even though both stand as scum pretty much on their own lol >< for a few reasons bourneq's read progression on prp is pretty wonky. he scumreads him practically all game with one notable exception, but never tries to push for the lynch until all the easy newbie mislynches are exhausted: + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2015 02:32 Bourneq wrote: I was not calling you scum untill late today, you had a fair reason to bring to attention that I was acting strange at the beginning for mainly just answering to pokes. But my poiny lately is that I have been over why that was the case and you're still going after me like I slayed you family in cold blood or something. I find that odd behaviour if you were town. You were fine in my back untill a few pages back. I know that I stated this before, but the bolded phrase seems like a stark overreaction lol >< considering prp was fairly matter-of-fact about his scumread, if blunt On April 11 2015 22:30 Bourneq wrote: On to my prplhz read. At the start he was questioning tbd a little, he even asked for tbd's reads but did not get any. Then magicaly he goes for his defence with this This also bugs me How can TBD be anybodys top town read? This just seemed really unmotivated. Changing his vote too look more in tune with the town. I dont recall seeing prpl changing his tune on hts so why this sudden change of heart? He then drops his crusade against me when seeing a lack of support. It looks to me like he is afraid of looking scum. I never called him scum before that post. So why is he fabricating a OMGUS response from me? this was absolutely the best analysis that Bourneq brought to the thread :/ and reads very much like prplhz is his top scumread On April 11 2015 22:36 Bourneq wrote: A last thing before I go about prplhz. He seems to be all over the place but not contributing a whole lot. I will have to think about it carefully today but he is not likely to be voted on by me today. convenient if they're double-bussing lol >< On April 14 2015 22:04 Bourneq wrote: Prplhz activity in d2 is really poor. He has been consistent in 2 things, defending dwarf and trying to lynch the 1 person I can be absolut sure is town. D2 he seems to be sure about his scum read on stutters yet pushes a lynch on me instead. On April 15 2015 04:20 Bourneq wrote: I have always looked closely on prplhz but when I made a case against him I was acused of OMGUS so I dont think I would be the best person to make a good case against him. Comparing his filter to Dwarfs made me settle on a dwarf lynch seeing dwarf has contributed nothing. this in response to stutters trying to get prp lynched? >< lol...what does a case have to do with voting to lynch the one player he's consistently scumread and still apparently believes is scum? On April 15 2015 06:06 Bourneq wrote: Well prplhz has been defending dwarf the entire game, do you think he would do that knowing he would be very likely to be lynched anyway? I give prpl a lot of town points for that. On April 16 2015 06:34 Bourneq wrote: Oh good grief. To answer hts's doubts on me, I was concidering changing my vote on tbd at EoD2 to prplhz but decided against it because 1. I am terrible, and 2. I really belived tbd was scum. I had doubts on prplhz because I thought a lot of my suspicions were grounded in him trying his very best to kill me. Well now I don't have any doubts about prplhz. I should of lynched him while I had the chance. On April 16 2015 06:58 Bourneq wrote: A no lynch could make sense. But I think our case against prplhz is absolutely lynch worthy. He has pushed both hts and stutters but not got his way. Now they are dead. He defended dwarf most likely to get some town cred to his name after we surely lynch him. He has pushed a lynch on me since I got of on a bad footing and is the newbie that would be easy to be made to look bad. I don't concider his reads or most of his posts to have been helpfull to town at all. He also wasted his vote D2. Not to mention all the other reads against him like the one hts did. I feel very confident in lynching prplhz. admittedly i can see how he goes from towning prp to wanting to lynch him based on this explanation lol >< On April 16 2015 21:39 Bourneq wrote: Good morning everybody. Read 12pages now and I have a few comments. First off, I am vanilla town. So the claims are problably legit. Secondly, the evidence against prplhz has mounted up for quite a while now. ##Vote prplhz I am very confident that he will flip scum. ^ perhaps the one redeeming factor here is he actually did eventually decide to actually lynch his top scumread on top of this, his filter dropped off massively after day 1...something like 10-15% of it occurs after EoD, he's never around during the night phase, he doesn't move his vote at all once he's voted (especially for new scum, finding reasons to change your vote would be daunting)...it's also not unusual to tunnel/buss as newbie scum if the player is insecure as for tube lol >< points against him are - his activity level seems much lower than in the town games i've played with him - his early filter was pretty sheepy of whoever was in the thread until he came out with his tinfoil theory - one post in particular stood out to me as adding nothing but the narrative he chose to present based on scumreads...i don't see how he arrived at these from the voting analysis, and if it wasn't voting analysis, then why include the votecounts? + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2015 18:01 Tubesock wrote: I think I know what's going on. While I think I'm right, I will acknowledge I was wrong on TheBloodyDwarf. I don't always get all the scum, but I at least get two. Anyway, what I'm thinking. Soren333 was widely towned. Others too probably but I think he was the most towned. In his filter he scummed TheBloodyDwarf, Onegu, Prplhz, Slotspot, and Bourneq. Holyflare subs in. So, doubly obvious night kill. Half the Sky was also widely towned. Trfel and many others of you already agreed she was the obvious night kill. What were her big things? Big case on Onegu. Who was under suspicion? Breshke. Who was scumread? Bourneq. Plotspot. Here's Half the Sky's assessment of Onegu's vote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=61#1220 I also think that Onegu's vote on Breshke was a joke. He didn't say hardly anything about it (typical Onegu behavior though) and then came in calling us idiots for not being on the "scumclaim". I asked him where his vote was and then "oh "forgot" ##Vote:  lotspot. I think he was obviously looking to change his vote, that vote wasn't serious at all.Patterns.... TheBloodyDwarf Stutters695 while vigi shot, there is still information. It's not as solid or anything, but things of note. He scummed Breshke. Trfel also said Stuters695 was on his most suspicious list before Stutters died. Breshke last words about Stutters while alive were "I can't vote him now but I hope I don't regret it." then votes The Shining. I'll have individual cases on the three as well tomorrow. We have time to talk about it. what gives me pause is the bloody dwarf scumread lol, the tone of that read seemed very much to me like excited town thinking they'd caught something very clever, and supports why he kept pushing TBD for two days...additionally, though his play today looks super odd and his votes are completely "safe" votes if you don't take into account the possibility that he was tunneled, scumreading truffle and breshke takes balls >< lol same as with prplhz that said, i don't think this outweighs the earlier points against him (keeping options open comes to mind?), but i'm less sure on him than bourneq the thing that makes me more leary of prplhz is his strong push on bourne day 1 to default to plotspot and stutters instead :/ similiarly to how bourneq apparently had a stronger scumread in prp but didn't pursue it. even day 2, he just voted bourne and disappeared without putting in any real effort to push that read and lol...here again we see prplhz trying to lynch me instead of top scumread bourneq >< he didn't even have bourneq in his list of three until questioned about the third i don't understand the thought-process at all -_- regarding jjb, it's a toneread xP and it's also the fact that he's been a good deal more conversational than he was in his scumgame....he's pushing his ideas even when they get rejected. the biggest thing really though is nothing stood out to me as terrible in his posting, and every time i started to get that meh feeling while reading his filter, another good post would hit me. he could be scum here, but i really don't think so -_- truffle lol >< eh i really don't even want to consider him as scum right now, though if he's still alive in mylo, especially if prp is scum, take a look at that day 2 EoD vote breshke is probably town lol >< even if he fake-claimed...i can picture a hail mary as scum, but it was kind of early for that sort of play before the voting even really had gotten started shining town, duh prpl, if you want to discuss your jjb scumread with me, i am open to discussing it :/ cause i think he has to be scum if you're not. are you capable of discussing it with me or should i not even try? | ||
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On April 17 2015 12:16 prplhz wrote: what do you want me to say? maybe i misread him as timid when he wasn't but i was right anyway because of dumb luck? i don't know? this is a toneready thing, fluffy, debatable, it's not like i had a guilty check on him or anything. i just think he looked textbook scum and the other guys looked textbook town and that you did uncharacteristically little about this claiming (falsely) that you didn't see it. or maybe i was scum thinking "i'll relentlessly push my newbie scum buddy from his very first post". i'm fairly certain you don't know this but i don't bus. find me a scum game where i bussed remotely as hard as this (protip: you can't because i don't bus, yes i know i voted palmar after he was already dead in titanic and prodded him d1 but other than that, and that's PALMAR who i know could mop the floor with me any hour of the day). maybe i decided to fuck a newbie over on his very first game? i don't know this is little unfair because i'm turning a bourneq/prplhz scumteam into an attack on my very person but i wouldn't do that, wouldn't be nice and i think i'm sort of nice? sometimes? mostly? i don't know, i'm pretty confident i wouldn't do that. maybe i have this distorted image of myself someone who tries to be nice and i find it hard that other people think i would do something like bus my newbie team mate in his first game from his first post. i'm also going to point out that my bourneq push didn't just consist of me pointing out the scummy things he did, it consisted of me repeatedly begging people to look into bourneq and convince me he was town. drawing a lot of attention to bourneq. dude i don't know what sort of play you think i'm capable of >< picking out alignments on people i know well is my strongsuit...and my tonereads are usually informed by meta...look at any of my newbie games and stop tunneling me for some perceived god-level ability to read >< ftr i probably wouldn't have kept my vote on plot had i actually been there, (yeah, i know, no way for you to verify this lol ><) and voting tbd had everything to do with the counterwagons and not tbd himself (something easily verified by my filter >< i also started suspecting bourne day 2 when i was considering which of the lurkers was likely scum, and people kept misconstruing my explanation of my earlier townread on him as a defense (also verifiable in my filter) >< i feel like you're holding me to a ridiculously high standard but i will look through your scumgames...i don't intend to lynch you today, prp...i think i've already made that clear -_- it's kind of insulting you won't do my the same courtesy, but i'd actually like to win this game >< meh | ||
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^^; can we please settle on a lynch before prp afks? if i'm wrong and he's town >< this is gonna suck majorly and he should send me chocolates or something along with about a thousand apologies for being a tunneled ass -_- maybe a couple 100 to the rest of town lol >< | ||
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@bresh...what makes you more sure on Tube? i'm fine with either really lol >< | ||
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On April 17 2015 13:54 prplhz wrote: meh i already talked to you a lot tonight.. do you want me to reconsider bourneq too? like there's a limit both mentally a physically on how many times someone can be reevaluated. and i'm not done reevaluating you anyway. your alignment is literally all i think about because you're the one who's play i'm most familiar with so i think i'll have the easiest time going back on my scum read on you of all of my scum team so whenever i am thinking about this game (and you know you can't just stop thinking about a game like this) i'm considering your alignment. maybe i say stuff like "i'm really certain here" but that's an overstatement. i'm just going to ignore you today, in all honesty >< the only way i lynch you today is if i have to to save myself, so yeah...i just find it really hard to believe that you're genuinely town and giving this any real thought yet are still scumreading me, unless you're going by looks town = mafia and looks mafia = town -_- because i'm so obviously town here it's ridiculous >< if you want to talk to me, talk...like you're not even willing to discuss jjb with me so whatever >< i'm not gonna worry about it | ||
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On April 17 2015 14:00 Breshke wrote: Tube doesn't think he is a great player saying in some of his points he is a newbie whatever whatever and thats fair enough. I then dont see that reflected in him assessing trefel and myself which like no one agrees with and saying he is just trying to get all the worlds out there and then not assessing the other worlds. I cant see how this is town. Like with TBD he admitted himself that his theory was out there yet with his scumread on me he sounds more sure and not willing to consider other things. okay, yeah i can see this lol >< i thought it strange too that he talked about you, truffle and bourneq but isn't willing to consider something else...like he was pretty stubborn in carol, but he was certain on his hf read (which was actually right lol >< just most of his others weren't) but saying y'all may be town isn't demonstrating the same certainty at all | ||
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On April 17 2015 14:00 prplhz wrote: like explain to me why rso is considering that there is an unclaimed vet right now. she is essentially saying that we are in lylo and someone has a red check that they have decided not to tell the town. i could be nailing her completely for that right now but i just burnt my fingers on that way too ma not responding to this | ||
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On April 17 2015 14:05 Breshke wrote: From her explanation before she isn't really she just doesn't want to call me confirmed because my play has been off. it is fair but she doesn't understand that she saw shinings blue soft posts and i didnt so when she moved off his wagon and onto TBD who i thought was null and it just seemed like he was getting hammered into oblivion it put up red flags for me and only made my prior albeit small suspicions on the shining even strong and linked her to him. This being said I can udnerstand this from her point of view because she told me to go back and read and i did but i still didn't pick up on those posts (i assume thats why you said go back and read idk?). Anyway all this amounts to her not wanting to call me confirmed because theres that little nagging thing in the back of hr mind thats like wtf if this guys scum i dont want to lose to him. Well thats how i see it anyway. Like look at her post she said im the towniest of the 6 unconfirms im basically confirmed to her she just is being stubborn. lol >< kinda? i dunnae it was obvious to me, so i figured it would be obvious to anyone paying attention, but i'm not going to sit there and go I THINK SHINING IS BLUE LOOK AT WHAT HE JUST SAID when he's not getting lynched anyway lol >< saying any townie who wasn't retarded would never lynch shining today was toeing the line enough lol you focusing in on that made me flail; i only wanted to mention prp but actually i'm hoping something i'm not going to talk about, but regardless i think you're way more likely to be town here than scum >< | ||
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On April 17 2015 14:09 Tubesock wrote: I didn't spoonfeed because I don't trust any of you. Why would I spoonfeed Trfel? I don't trust Breshke right now. I can't help but think we are in the same game as Newbie LX. This game I knew Scott131337 and Celestial were scum. I thought JJB was scum for being useless. Half the Sky was being "helpful" but she was the godfather. I didn't see any world where she was mafia. Fucking Trfel is Half the Sky from that game. Breshke could be Celestial who fakeclaimed to save his life. I think Trfel actions D3 were staged. How he went let's no lynch. Oh no let's lynch. Then talked about claims. It felt dirty. Look at how Prplhz entered. He went straight to solving the game thinking it was Rsoultin. We had so much more information from dead towns and Trfel didn't take any time to evaluate the game. Prplhz came in, saw the kills and probably saw his notes or whatever and then bam POE or whatever he knew who the scum team was. Breshke could be town in this. He was just used. I have to think about it. I just think he was in it with Trfel like Geript and Sandroba. Then this claim play of his after Trfel brought it up, just looked really really bad. He's unCC'd vet so until that changes he's town. But I do not trust Trfel's "advice" or certainty of the other should CC there. While Breshke could have been innocent town, it looked like they were doing the same play to end the game for town. So, you guys really think I would as a first time mafia go after Trfel here? Thank you, that's ballsy as fuck. Like I would need a wheelchair they're big. Why not Prplhz? He's scummy as either alignment. Seems dumb to go after the biggest caser here. shining and i also thought a no lynch would be best? i'd have to reread his filter or whatever, but i also talked about claiming so...why him and not me? like i kinda sorta get the breshke/truffle association if you're already scumreading truffle but how realistic do you think this is, honestly? i don't have an eden-lvl toneread here but i'm pretty damn good at reading truffle -_- | ||
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it's something to do with his back and forth...lol read his posts and he'll kind of phrase them like he's debating with himself, usually doesn't make very firm reads but has good reasoning behind most of it like breshke and truffle are both players who if i'm seeing something only one way, will devil's advocate for me >< it's very valuable lol that and just the sarcasm/jokes...he couldn't pull that off in student V | ||
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tbf though when i thought about it no lynching with two claims out is asinine so -_- if 5v3 is bad for town in terms of voting, 4v3 with one less confirmed town is even worse >< so i unvoted maybe i should go look at it :/ he does like to hyper-analyze things so i'm not sure that's really terrible, and no vigi in their right mind shoots HTS so calling that doesn't seem like anything the claiming advice is the only thing i can think of that could be scummy, so it depends on what he said. hold on | ||
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like if truffle and breshke are scum they have to be scum for more than just that >< that's like paranoid fear, tube | ||
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On April 17 2015 14:36 rsoultin wrote: eh honestly i don't see what's so scummy about the claim talks? like yeah i could see this world you have where breshke is scum with truffle and they just claim, encourage a cc, and both blues are outed but lol >< that world falls apart the moment you say breshke is town like if truffle and breshke are scum they have to be scum for more than just that >< that's like paranoid fear, tube sorry lol >< edited to clarify, how would scum!truffle even know that town!breshke was fake-claiming? | ||
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On April 17 2015 14:43 Tubesock wrote: Possible. But the paranoid fear is what got me to recheck him. I didn't like all the Bluehunting centric talk while he pressured Stutters. His play made me realize I was making excuses for his play based on my earlier read. My biggest point is I think you guys are biased from your first reads. I don't think you are looking at the game objectively. I mean Prp and Stutters fight for a full cycle for doing the exact same thing. Both are town. Same thing here. Trfel got towned for doing big posts with nothing that anyone really talked about. He pushed the Shining lynch basically on the sale that he can't read pages 7 - 23 in 30 minutes. Those pages are nothing but one liners essentially. It's not hard to read it that fast. I think Trfel was scumming Shining and basically making it look like he was the standard of effort that should apply. the one good reason to think truffle may be scum is his vote to save prp if prp is scum, and even then town can still do that and be wrong lol >< i get what you're saying? it's possible mafia could do that, and scumread shining for that, but it's just as possible that town truffle who reads hella slowly doesn't think that's possible for anyone to do in that amount of time i guess everything could come from town, too, usually...but you at least have to demonstrate why it's more likely to come from scum than town >< | ||
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