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On April 11 2015 18:27 prplhz wrote:
i really don't think mafia godfather would risk getting lynched. just having him alive means we can't trust green checks and that's not worth the risk giving up just so he can be in LYLO.
other than that i think tbd is looking townie enough. his weird d1 and low content posting is very easily explained by that's how much people from sc2 arcade mafia plays, d1 is about saying "hi" and analysis isn't really a thing.
I need this. Like it seems like such a baller play to me. It's risky as fuck right? But I can't seem to think it is actually that risky. The more I'm thinking about it, the more I'm convincing myself. Bad I know! Ugh.
What's he doing that is townie? Or you saying he's just not scummy because he's playing like arcade?
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He's really pushing this noob thing and how arcade is so different.
In my first newbie game we had a mafia guy be so afraid of posting he had to get replaced. There are other people in many games that are either too afraid of posting, can't post or don't want to post that I think this is a viable alternative to trying to blend in and be town.
pretend you're scared first time mafia. You ahve a choice.
1. Blend in, be town and post lots.
2. Overtly act scummy, so scummy that it's too scummy to be scummy and hopefully you get the cop check and become confirmed town.
It requires work, but at least he would live a couple more days and can be useful if not for a little while. Longer than paralyzed in fear anyway.
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On April 11 2015 18:45 prplhz wrote:
okay, being weird and aloof gets you lynched. that's bad for mafia (to get lynched).
what does he gain from getting checked? pretty much nothing.
i agree he's done very little analysis but that's really the norm for sc2 arcade mafia players. they don't bust out mad analysis on d1 of their first game. so i'm reading him on other things such as how he defended himself. it was more of a "fuck off" than actually trying not to get lynched. i think his behavior today has been entirely consistent with what i'm expecting from sc2 arcade players.
anyway, explain to me, what does he gain from getting checked?
I think at the very least another day of life while town talks about it. He can get support from some of his mafiamates and survive longer. Once he is checked he at least outs the cop and mafia doesn't have to worry about the other 2 teammates being checked.
His goal is to be first checked. Then hopefully if he's on the chopping block then the cop says "oh hey, I have a green check" on him and then we argue and argue. Even if we still lynch him disregarding the check, now mafia kills the cop and don't have to worry about getting red checked. That's hugely beneficial to them. Right?
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On April 11 2015 18:53 prplhz wrote:
this is super debatable but what isn't debatable is that sc2 arcade mafia players in a newbie game would never do this.
anyway, COP SHOULDN'T OUT HIMSELF TO GIVE A GREEN CHECK.
I've never played arcade mafia. Why wouldn't they ever do it?
It would be pretty stupid to out himself to save a green check from lynch. Hmm.
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On April 11 2015 18:57 Breshke wrote:
Also tube you have to think that if he actually is godfather then your stuff about claiming vet isnt the smartest play really because the real doc/vet would absolutly CC and then who gives a fuck if he has been green checked because he still gets lynched eventually and idk how good a 1 for 1 trade is for mafia in this setup.
I guess that's why I think he's only softing. He's not really claiming, but he's flirting around about it. The way it is now the real doc/vet could out themselves (don't for the love of god) and he would just fall back on the fact he never did.
I really think he's trying to fish for that cop check. I also kind of wonder that if he did hardclaim, he gets CC'd and everyone argues enough that he tries to get checked first? Mafia would have both blues for his death. that's a pretty good trade.
I've never rolled blue. I haven't spent much time thinking about it. It's why I'm asking for feedback now. I just can't see any other explanation for his play.
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On April 11 2015 19:01 prplhz wrote:
because most of what i've seen from sc2 arcade mafia players hasn't been very advanced and i consider acting scummy enough to get checked but not scummy enough to get lynched but then the day after be scummy enough to almost get lynched but still townie enough that cop would out himself to be very advanced. it seems a lot simpler for godfather to just try to be townie. in any case godfather in one of the cop setups seems to draw his worth from invalidating green checks and not from being green checked himself.
Put that way, it does sound insane. I was thinking be scummy as possible with the idea that people will defend you for being too scummy to be scum. And not even go for a goldilocks level of scummy.
I didn't think about the value of godfather negating green checks.
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On April 11 2015 19:09 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 19:04 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2015 18:57 Breshke wrote:
Also tube you have to think that if he actually is godfather then your stuff about claiming vet isnt the smartest play really because the real doc/vet would absolutly CC and then who gives a fuck if he has been green checked because he still gets lynched eventually and idk how good a 1 for 1 trade is for mafia in this setup.
I guess that's why I think he's only softing. He's not really claiming, but he's flirting around about it. The way it is now the real doc/vet could out themselves (don't for the love of god) and he would just fall back on the fact he never did. I really think he's trying to fish for that cop check. I also kind of wonder that if he did hardclaim, he gets CC'd and everyone argues enough that he tries to get checked first? Mafia would have both blues for his death. that's a pretty good trade. I've never rolled blue. I haven't spent much time thinking about it. It's why I'm asking for feedback now. I just can't see any other explanation for his play. Idk like obviously this is all possible but it just feels very very unlikely. I feel like if he was advanced enough to do this he would be advanced enough to also give reads and such and i know you said you think he is faking right? but i just feel it is really really out there. Can you tell me what you think of plot and anyone else that has jumped out at you
I have to admit I've been pretty obsessed with Dwarf today.
I've read Plot's filter, and I don't think he looks that great. My problem with him though is that there are at least three posts where I feel I need a rosetta stone. I have no idea what he's saying. The stuff I did understand, I don't remember having any eureka moment, or a sharing a brain type moment either. So far he hasn't been useful to me at all. That's not towny.
I haven't invested any energy in him though. Sorry this isn't very helpful for you.
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alright. I'll read Plot. Give me a few minutes. At least it's a short filter.
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On April 11 2015 09:10 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 08:57 Half the Sky wrote:I also don't like how plot said that TBD was a victim. When two posts prior, he says this. On April 10 2015 09:34 plotspot wrote:
Why joke vote? It will stand as long as nothing else happens. It's not like Ace1312 feels totally threatened. At this time Bourneq will burn. Or even BloodyDwarf who a few people have on their list for certain acceptable reasons.
It's a bit contradictory in logic. I think the word "acceptable" is the bad boy here right? I should have written "acceptable for them, in their kind of logic, to which I can agree to a certain degree, but not nailingly sure for me". I think Dwarf is a victim because, he has to justify himself and looks helpless, but that's also because he hasn't post alot right?
On April 11 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 15:09 jarjarbinks wrote:On April 10 2015 08:41 plotspot wrote:
prplhz is 100% town. I can smell it.^^ Plot, can you explain why you think this? I'm assuming you didn't actually 100% believe it, but you just think he's town. Also, what do you think of dwarf and onegu so far? + Show Spoiler +whoa a post from the past.^^ How should I answer this. There is a world of mind. A world of speech and a world of action. I certainly said prplhz is town, I think his early initiative and throrough way of examination befits that of a townsperson caring for the town. about Dwarf I don't know, looks like a victim so far. Onegu? 70% town. I think the host screwed up. Everybody is town^^. Or he is lazy giving out the roles according to the order on the front page.^^ This should be easy. Man don't read anything from this, I just enjoy the game ok?^^ I mean I observe, this game it really helps to know the posting style or habit or a person. I really cringe at some conclusion about me, you are all paranoid.^^ Ok, I don't have the super reading powers. I just know that Half the Sky and Soren thinks 100% that I'm town. Make of it what you can. On April 10 2015 23:00 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 21:00 plotspot wrote:
Guys I'm at work, tonight when I have time I will try to detail out whats needed. Still concerning Onegu, before it crosses to real life, I said he was PLAYING LIKE a fucktard (for the couple of first posts that I saw at that moment), not that he is one. And he knows it. Judging by his tone he isn't offended. How is perceived poor play alignment indicative? IIRC you were scumreading or calling out scum behaviour based on him "playing like a fucktard?" Especially in a newbie game - yes I know Onegu is not a noob but the point still stands - how are you distinguishing between poor play and scum play? Wait. I didn't call him scum. I think you are awfully suspicious for talking like you know I'm 100% town. That's my original quote On April 10 2015 08:12 plotspot wrote:
I'm considering changing my vote to Onegu. He's playing like a fucktard. But of course I'm still not sure whether it's his strategy or him inadvertently not "getting" some of the things. I only said I considered switching my vote, because he made 2 strange mistakes, like wanting a voting thread or saying I didn't explain myself to prplhz when easy checking could have confirmed I did. It was very early in the game, but why am I explaining things, isn't the uncertainty what he is obvious in the quote?
These reek of covering his ass as mafia. It's pretty waffly. I think it's different than how Breshke waffled on Dwarf though. I feel like Breshke didn't actually care what people though of his waffle. Yet, this is very much defensive.
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On April 11 2015 19:19 prplhz wrote:like his 100% read on me and then Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 07:53 plotspot wrote:
Really now, you must be psychic to infer some sort of alignment from such a post. ROFL. You might as well be mafia seeing an opportunity to jump on him. haha Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 08:12 plotspot wrote:
I'm considering changing my vote to Onegu. He's playing like a fucktard. But of course I'm still not sure whether it's his strategy or him inadvertently not "getting" some of the things. looks like feelers so he can change his vote from the alphabetical thing. why isn't he just changing his vote away from the alphabetical vote? it doesn't mean shit so if he thinks someone is mafia then why not vote him instead of prodding the thread like this?
His 100% read on you was kinda hilarious I think. Just in the timing of it. I thought he was trolling at first. I did like how he didn't sheep you when you pushed him to (which that post I also thought was hilarious because I think the vet stuff was more to me than him). I gave him some town points for not sheeping about Bourneq. More points probably too since I didn't agree on your Bourneq read.
That's probably the only town posts he has isn't it? Everything else is weird or fluff.
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It's almost 3am. I need to go to bed. I want to sleep on the Plotspot vote. I'll probably follow you guys.
I don't know if I can just let go of Dwarf. Anyway, g'night.
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On April 11 2015 23:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 22:32 rsoultin wrote:
O.o
Tube moving up lol but dude i think you may be high on something xP not a huge fan of narratives anyway. yours at least had me laughing?
dwarf could you please give reads? even if you like arent sure on any of them?
prp read is in part knowing him but mostly the nature of his posts. hes aggressive, has made some sharp comments/observations, and his reads adapt to what is going on in the thread rather than remaining static lol
you...returning to prp scumread after its poinyed out that you seemed to drop it, plus some of those posts that are pure commentary...id be happy to lynch you today >< what do you think about that? I dont find anybody really suspicious..  Stutters695. Checking his filter and I mostly see questions. Looks like he doesn't really have own opinion but is asking others what do they think. btw, I dont like you Tubesock, you have been chasing me from the beginning 
Gah. I was hoping to be in a better place this morning.
First, if you're town, I'm sorry this isn't personal. I just believe you are mafia.
I think you were blue hunting like mad early day 1.
I think even after being pushed and asked by everyone in the game, you still pick the easiest "scum" target. It's like you did a shortest filter check, noticed it was Ace and Stutters. Realized you can't scum Ace since no one will allow you to lynch a replacement so quickly. Thus Stutters695.
No one is scummy because you don't want to bus your mates and you know everyone else is town.
And now you mock and troll me.
Why ? Why not a normal  or  . I could definitely have used a  (chill out mang) or even a  . You went with the . Shiny glitzy white teeth big smile. No one has shiny white teeth like that without artificial treatment. How the fuck can I see that and not think you are taunting me?
the mindfucking. I concede you're not making a crazy assed play. At least how I lined it out. But damn I just can't shake you're 100% mafia. I need to relax and take a break. I'll probably be back an hour or so before deadline.
Town, don't do any stupid shinanny shit. Vote Dwarf or vote Plotspot. He's not looking good either.
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On April 12 2015 02:29 plotspot wrote:
Ok it's not so important. ^^ means lie and no ^^ means truth. It's easy.
Uh. This is pretty late in the day. Has anyone done the decoder with Plot? What the what?
You guys should probably jump off Plot. This is I don't even know what this is. And the rest of his recent stuff.
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On April 12 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 17:46 Tubesock wrote:
So, I have this fascination with trying to read difficult/cryptic players. Players like Alakaslam, Sicklucker, Chezinu, and LightningStrike. It's dumb, but I absolutely love playing with those guys. I fall into big traps though, like finding deep meaning into statements and their word useage and once I think they are scummy I really get into confirmation bias.
I'm really confused on TheBloodyDwarf. He hasn't done a single towny thing yet. He's blatantly ignoring requests for any type of read and isn't helping town at all. I mean it's so anti-town that mafia would at least try to fake something. He's not even doing that. He like doesn't care at all, he's trying to act as scummy as possible it seems.
He made some posts which made me unvote him. At that time I was thinking he was basically softclaiming Vet. I didn't want to pursue anything and I think others were thinking the same thing. It would obviously defeat the purpose of him being vet. While at work i was thinking about him a lot. It just bugged me. A vet would play towny right? The entire point is to make MAFIA shoot you. But then you also have to avoid being lynched. And he's obviously not doing that.
Then my tinfoil hat deflected an alien interrogation beam. TheBloodyDwarf is Godfather. BloodyDwarf comes from SC2 mafia arcade. So it's safe to say he plays SC2. He presumeably found TL mafia from the SC2 forums. He's not dumb, he's probably the more hardcore gamer type. TL Mafia does seem like the harder core version of many versions of mafia I think. So, he's fucking smart. He's not playing poorly at all.
If he is Godfather, he KNOWS the setup. He knows if there is a cop/doc/vigi/vet. The OP says mafia knows. Reread his filter, doesn't it look like he's trying to make people think he's vet? "Don't shoot me" "I hope cop/vigi are guud". Yeah, he wants to make it look like he doesn't really know the setup but is telling the cop to check him so he returns town. He then knows who the cop is and mafia get to kill him. And he is basically confirmed town who gets to live at least another day.
He softs vet knowing people probably won't push him since an outed vet is sooo bad for town. He then doesn't have to act towny. But in order to get cop checked he has to act really scummy so that the cop will check him over other question marks. I don't have a problem with you saying this, I'm used to your tinfoil theories  But there's something I don't understand from a gameplay standpoint. (See bolded). Even if the cop, if we have a cop, checks him, how is he going to know who the cop is? How do you know the cop will out with a check esp this early in the game. I haven't played student game in awhile, checked the rules, and nothing is jumping out to me that indicates if he were scum, that he'd be getting any sort of added information this way. Am I misunderstanding you?
Well, Prplhz pretty well covered this. I don't think Dwarf is doing a crazy play anymore.
I originally thought that he can basically do this.
1. be weird and softclaim vet and try getting a cop check.
2. if he gets in real danger of lynch then he can hard claim vet.
Town will jump off. While the real vet/doc weigh to CC or not. Then town wants to lynch him but maybe his team will talk town into letting the cop check him that night and mafia sort him out. Just like -Celestial- in that game you and I were in where you were Godfather. Plus, I just read Guardians and am a bit in awe of Toadessterns play.
Anyway, I was thinking that mafia could convince the cop to check him and hopefully get a CC out of it. The cop would reveal his check and then mafia would know both blues.
Prp and Breshke pointed out how that's just insane.
But I'm still thinking Dwarf is mafia and the better lynch. Especially with the weirdness of whatever Plotspots is doing.
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On April 12 2015 04:37 prplhz wrote:
okay i tentatively don't want to lynch plotspot anyway lol
can we lynch soren or stutters?
Man, I really like Soren. He seems really really town to me I can't let you lynch him. You were the first to mention how you liked him. What changed?
Stutters. Well, he has like 5 posts but they seem to have content and I read them and think he's at least thinking about the game. I think he's WAY more towny and useful than Dwarf or even Plotspot considering his weirdness.
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On April 12 2015 05:10 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 05:02 Tubesock wrote:On April 12 2015 02:29 plotspot wrote:
Ok it's not so important. ^^ means lie and no ^^ means truth. It's easy. Uh. This is pretty late in the day. Has anyone done the decoder with Plot? What the what? You guys should probably jump off Plot. This is I don't even know what this is. And the rest of his recent stuff. My question to you Tube is if you don't understand what he's saying why don't you (attempt to) interpret it? Or respond to some of the things I said (and maybe others) on trying to interpret plotspot? You said you needed a "rosetta stone" device or something to understand him. How do you know he's not playing dumb? I see too much crap from his end.
I didn't really try because I was trying to figure out why Dwarf is doing what Dwarf is doing. I don't think I'm a very good multitasker.
Plus, a lot of you were talking about him. So, I also reading through it, seeing you're putting in effort to do it. I concentrate on Dwarf, while you guys concentrate on others. I can see how critically thinking you are and then get two reads out of it. One for you (and others) and one for who the case is on.
I can't read you HTS. I thought you were so helpful to me in that game you were godfather. So, I know helpfullness isn't a town tell really. So now I'm on a different theory for town reads.
It's basically how much effort you put in. A mafia will put in work enough to avoid the lynch or to get some towncred. Then can relax a bit. Mafia isn't going to put in effort to solve the game though.
Long story, mostly I was thinking about Dwarf. But I also wasn't too worried about others since people were doing stuff. My current towns Breshke, Soren, Prp, Rso, Jar, and you if you were posting as a smurf or something.
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On April 12 2015 05:27 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 05:23 Tubesock wrote:
I didn't really try because I was trying to figure out why Dwarf is doing what Dwarf is doing. I don't think I'm a very good multitasker.
Plus, a lot of you were talking about him. So, I also reading through it, seeing you're putting in effort to do it. I concentrate on Dwarf, while you guys concentrate on others. I can see how critically thinking you are and then get two reads out of it. One for you (and others) and one for who the case is on.
I can't read you HTS. I thought you were so helpful to me in that game you were godfather. So, I know helpfullness isn't a town tell really. So now I'm on a different theory for town reads.
It's basically how much effort you put in. A mafia will put in work enough to avoid the lynch or to get some towncred. Then can relax a bit. Mafia isn't going to put in effort to solve the game though.
Long story, mostly I was thinking about Dwarf. But I also wasn't too worried about others since people were doing stuff. My current towns Breshke, Soren, Prp, Rso, Jar, and you if you were posting as a smurf or something.
Well that's (bolded) is pretty obvious. Even if you don't have thoughts on plot yourself, did you have any feedback on my thoughts on plot? Also you've been fear reading me. I understand why. Last I recall before this post, you said I was towny, but you were afraid of me. But you can't read me?
Let's say you joined as a SmurfX this game. You played the same, I'll objectively say I would town you.
Problem is, of the games I've read and you've been in, I have a 30% success rate in reading you. I'm FAR more comfortable reading Sicklucker and even ALakaslam than you. I think with you I have to wait to see you solve the game or something. I don't even know how to begin.
Anyway. Let's talk Plot or Stutters. We can talk tonight about you and I.
I'm not comfortable lynching Plot right now because I feel like he's trying to talk to me. I said in my tinfoil post that I love to read difficult/cryptic people. He then later towns me for some reason. And does this weird ^^ "code". So, I think he's trying to get me to read him and put in effort. WIFOM if he's buddying me? Seems like a real reach, I think he's honestly trying to get someone to dig deep into him. WIFOM for newbs from Princess Bride movie Wine in Front of Me. Great scene, google it. It's either or type of argument.
Unfortunately, it's too late in the day and these things take me a longtime.
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If this can save Plotspots for now I'll shenanny to Stutters695.
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Plotspot in a way reminds me of me in Carol of the Bells.
I had no idea what the fuck i was doing. You mentioned it when you and others shenannied onto me that game. My game play changed drastically each day. I was trying to figure out the game, and then how to get peoples attention AND then get them to listen to me.
Plot is making an effort to change his play to be reconsidered. If he survives and then goes back to his old behavior then we lynch him day 2. But, I'd like to hear more from him.
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On April 12 2015 05:46 Onegu wrote:
So we have a scum claim and you dummies don't want to lynch the shit out of him!?
Please tell me what I am missing? Or is it just that you guys are being bad.
Where is your vote again?
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