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On April 15 2015 01:24 Trfel wrote:
Half the Sky, I'm interested to see what you have to say about the argument above. In about an hour and a half, I need to head out, and then I won't be back until 30 minutes to the deadline (plus or minus another 15 minutes.....). So if you want to lynch me or prplhz, I would like to talk about that now. If you ignore me now, while I am present, and then start trying to kill me only once I'm gone, I won't be very pleased (and I would like to think that you would be under quite a bit of suspicion after).
If you are concerned about my scumreads not having a balance of lurkers and non-lurkers, I'm sorry. I could falsify my scumreads to make them "perfect" in every way, but that isn't good for town at all. I realize that I most likely missed at least one mafia. I'm just saying that at this point in the day, I'm not going to have the time to try and catch them today, and so I'll go with the people I initially judge as scummy and make the best lynch from them. I am highly confident that at least one member of my lynch pool is mafia.
I'm back. Still at the damn office trying to get stuff done :/
Reading through your stuff quick though.
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Went back to see what the issues JJB had with the Onegu case. I get the part about the medications but at best that's NAI.
Regarding your previous post Trfel, you provided a lynch pool. I couched that wrong (concluded scumteam) I stand corrected.
The point I was driving at there was that you had a pool of scummy lurkers. However, the analysis just now though makes my decision harder though. I know in past games you (Trfel) have provided these sequential page by page reads. I am following where you're putting the "scum" in the scummy lurkers. But I'm still having issues with prplhz.
My next post is the one voting situation I did not consider.
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(Trfel, you're still here right?)
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On April 15 2015 01:15 Trfel wrote:At this point, I would be suspicious of prplhz. Asking one person to switch and then not doing anything when they don't switch isn't very impressive (still something town does all the time, but isn't a very good play). But then Tubesock comes back, and says that he doesn't want to lynch plotspot. Prplhz immediately jumps and asks him who he wants to lynch. Prplhz seems to be more interested in not lynching plotspot than lynching a specific player, and that's fine. Still, despite asking who Tubesock wanted to lynch (Tubesock initially said TheBloodyDwarf), prplhz still argues for a Stutters695 lynch. Then Tubesock shows desire to talk about plotspot and Stutters695, as well as a lack of confidence in lynching plotspot, so it can be assumed that he is willing to lynch Stutters695. And Half the Sky rereads Stutters695's filter, and said that she understands why he is scummy (implying willingness to lynch him). Prplhz immediately switches his vote, the first one to do so.
If I recall right, you're townreading Tube. Now focus on the bolded.
Tube had discussed a theory where if a scum prp knew that Stutters was town and Stutters has the potential to be town given his conviction on prp, what is the likelihood of a scum prp wanting to counterwagon on Stutters to set up a possible mislynch?
Now I'll admit I'm a little biased here because following this he tried to pin blame on me for switching off plotspot, but it was he who led that charge.
If you think Stutters' case is valid (or at least the presentation is a town trait) do you think there's credence to the possibility that prp is doing what Tube thinks he's trying to do by counterwagoning? Does the bolded look at all opportunistic? That's what I'm driving at.
If you think I've missed something, quote it.
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This was honestly one of the things that jumped out at me, but reading the first link from Stutters in his case against prplhz again...
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On April 14 2015 12:45 Tubesock wrote:
Well, I can still lynch Dwarf. I'm thinking about Prplhz. I don't understand why he's so hard defending him. Well, I mean I see his reasons. But why were Plot and Bourneq any different? Or Stutters prior to his Prp case? My tinfoil is saying that he set up the shenany to set up a mlynch the next day. It's pretty easy to see that EoD weirdness will get a lot of talk. We've done nothing but scum random people all for the same reasons.
Directed at Trfel - this is the quote to support what he was working through.
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On April 15 2015 01:11 rsoultin wrote:
actually lol rereading his filter i don't. looks more like someone trying to push his lynch than someone withholding reads. the pressure on prp looks pretty solid to me :/
meh i hate policy lynches on principle too, hts lol ><
gonna filter prp and tube again i guess :/ tube mostly cause i kinda ignored him after his tinfoil
From what I can tell looking at Tube's argument on prplhz is that he's queasy on
1) he can do the same things as town as he can do scum
2) something about his defending Dwarf compared to Bourneq and Tube hinting at a double standard.
Like I was scumreading Bourneq here too but to me, activity wasn't the problem, it was the read progression.
Look at prplhz. Maybe this is what Stutters means by loose reads.
The first few lines from prp to scum Bourneq is (paraphrasing but can quote on request)
"Can someone tell me why Bourneq is town"
"I see nothing town" etc.
You don't need to go into a crazy case. But you see these quotes:
On April 10 2015 09:04 prplhz wrote:
i don't know i have a better feeling about bourneq
On April 10 2015 09:09 prplhz wrote:
like i have zero reason to think bourneq is town. he doesn't seem to be doing any sort of thinking about the game unless prodded.
bloodydwarf comes in here and says some weird shit about cops saving him. that seems very poorly thought out and like it's just something his fingers wrote and then he pressed enter. doesn't seem like something scum would just say. considering that scum know the setup i imagine they'd actually be inclined not to talk about it if they can avoid it.
These quotes were from early D1. I tried to context Bourneq as a very new player to mafia well before I cased him.
On April 13 2015 10:10 prplhz wrote:
can anybody show me one single reason to think bourneq is town, one single incident of him trying to win the game for town? that would really help me.
On April 13 2015 04:20 prplhz wrote:
what i'm saying is that dwarf is looking townie so far and i'm not going to lynch him tomorrow unless something new happens that radically changes how i feel about him. which i consider highly unlikely.
Followed by several one-liners of differentiating between bourneq and dwarf. (pages 8-10 of filter)
On April 14 2015 15:50 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 15:22 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On April 14 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:
His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.
But I did?  stop being useless?
I mentioned this before and Tube even pinged him out and so did Rasputin...
What I'm driving at is we can't follow how he's setting one standard for Dwarf and one for Bourneq. I'm being more specific in what I was scumming Bourneq for, but this honestly gives a little credence to how Stutters is talking about loose reads.
Like Page 1, Bourneq makes a noncomittal read and I am pretty sure I queried him on it to make sure it was a noob issue. The thing is I get the sense from the filter that he's hung onto that.
I am hoping this makes sense. Filter diving is probably the best way to understand what I'm saying.
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I am leaving the office. Back in an hour. Or so.
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Actually of note, because I don't want to miss Trfel - I'll be on the thread on my phone during my commute home.
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Rasputin, I'll look into Shining.
I honestly didn't consider him before because his slot in general has just been so inactive. I know in Newbie LX he was lurky town. Has he ever been borderline inactive as town?
But I know you play with him elsewhere, and if his meta is a lurky scumgame, your vote makes perfect sense.
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Actually damn, I take that back. I remember that game. When I cased Shining he came back with a valid excuse for his inactivity. Hmmmm.
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Just saw your posts, you two.
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Shining - first impression from your post
"People" aren't defending Dwarf. It's just prplhz whom some of us take issue with and we're hinting at a double standard in teh way he's treating Bourne and Dwarf.
Most of us are nulling him, he's a policy vote for most of us.
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Shining, you are saying Stutters is only "marginally" better.
Do you mean activity? Because after D2 he picked it up. Can you clarify that?
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I'm back again, and this time I'm here until EoD.
I'm not lynching Tubesock. No way.
Dwarf is a policy lynch for me.
I'm still extremely uncomfortable with the manner of prp's reads. Even with the argument that his actions EoD don't make him scum. The point Stutters keeps bringing up about bailing EoD for a run is irksome. A family/wife/whatever emergency is one thing, but...
grrrrrrr.....game is hard.
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On April 15 2015 04:41 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 04:24 rsoultin wrote:
shining, talk to me about bresh?
there's not a ton to say about tbd...he's a policy lynch through and through unless y'all are seeing codes in his posts somewhere Aside from what I said about him afking his "placeholder" vote on me for sleep, even though he hasn't so much as acknowledged my presence beforehand? See, others like you and Trfel have looked into me and questioned my activity. I couldn't find myself anywhere in his filter until the vote. It just feels like an effortless vote that can be defended as policy lynch. Also, his filter is very setup-centric and role centric. I can quote examples if asked but I'm on a phone. But time and again I see him talking about roles. Picking at Stutters possible bread crumb post. It feels less like genuine game solving and more like blue fishing.Also I tried to find some original thoughts in his filter. There are a lot of questioning of others' reads, then sheeping those. His possible scum list is basically Trfels.
What? I'm not sure I agree on the setup centric argument. I know the vet/vig/roleblocking Holyflare thing came up N2, and honestly I didn't see anything wrong with it. Was there something specific that seemed off about that? I would think it's relatively standard to claim roleblocks - I know it was done in Student IV, and people claimed RB notifications in Titanic every night, so him asking to claim RBs isn't scummy inherently.
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EBWOP - I checked again Shining. Breshke's setup speculation is perfectly fine by me. Not sure where you're getting the bluehunting argument from. If he's scum, it's not for that.
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And also he did interact with Stutters before dropping his case against him.
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On April 15 2015 05:08 rsoultin wrote:
lol what case hts? there was no case
Word should have been argument, yeh, I know it wasn't a case, in the sense of a "shiny" case like I posted for instance.
If I had to vote between prplhz and Breshke though, I'd be voting prplhz. I've explained the issues I've had with his reads.
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I must be having a blonde moment. I swear I looked up and down Breshke's filter, so let me pull the darned Stutters quote in the meantime >_<
Breshke's scum games are where he defends a lot of people and doesn't have/produce scumreads until closer to EoD.
I know Stutters argued the meta can be changed but he seemed fine on this D1.
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