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Lots of my reads are pretty fresh and I can't guarantee that they're unbiased cause they stem from people who push bs on me.
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On March 21 2015 01:31 Holyflare wrote:
damdred kinda made his case and made like 2 posts to rayn and then afk'd while people argued about it
don't really like that at all
Yup, made the same observation.
Then again I know he might be busy irl so I'm going easy on him.
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So HF, what happened to your rayn case. I feel a cooldown.
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On March 21 2015 01:35 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 01:32 Vivax wrote:On March 21 2015 01:31 Holyflare wrote:
damdred kinda made his case and made like 2 posts to rayn and then afk'd while people argued about it
don't really like that at all Yup, made the same observation. Then again I know he might be busy irl so I'm going easy on him. Thats a terrible reason because literally anyone can be busy irl but we still have to play around it. Anyway I might take off seems to be going in circles everyone is a asking for there lynch
No it's not a terrible reason cause I'm not a dick to nice people.
Even when they're wrong or scum.
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On March 21 2015 01:36 Holyflare wrote:
i'm not going to make a big case, i've said everything that needed to be said? now he's just a broken record that found "scum" and won't stop ONLY pushing it and relating things to that, there's no drive and no hesitance
I find it compelling to TR him just cause he's siding with me so hard.
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Whenever Toad doesn't act like he ate wisdom from a spoon there's a good shot he's mafia yes.
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But he's not the highest on my list and the argument that he posts scumreads before finishing to read isn#t really an argument. I do that as town occasionally, earlier I did it regularly.
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On March 21 2015 01:55 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 01:53 Toadesstern wrote:
Holy crap 25 pages I have to read... so anyways here's where I'm at for the day withouth reading that yet but having thought about what I already know:
Starting with obvious things that don't need that much explanation because duh, it's in my filter:
Palmar is mafia
Artanis I think has a decent chance to flip mafia. He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet.
Rayn just plain does nothing. Okay that's an exaggeration but I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him because putting pressure on him is the wrong way to figure out his alignment. He just gets angry and the game becomes unplayable as he throws a tantrum. That being said I tried not to do that and from what I've seen he wasn't bullied by other people either, the closest thing being HF mentioning him a lot but even in that case it felt like HF was almost ignoring him so he had all the space he can ask for. And still I don't see anything a town!Rayn would do here. I'd expect him to be kicking and screaming out of his lungs having found at least one 100% mafia by now and how we all need to do what he wants and we're all terrible for not realizing that his scumread is 100% confirmed. I just don't see it. Yes he apparently has some reads but the kick is missing.
on to people I havn't realy read and it's more of a gut-read:
SL I still feel very strongly about just being a lynchbait. I don't even have a read on him, he's pretty much null for me but I just don't see this emoticon thing being a thing. The reason for which he got a target early on was stupid and I think he among myself was the easy (easier) place to dump votes onto for mafia or start a mislynch. I'm not going to lynch that unless someone shows me something big that happened in the last 25 pages about him.
Damdred/Vivax/LS, Damdred actually feels decent in my books even though he's feeling under the radar. Not sure why, but I like the way he's posting with not the slightest care&fear in the world. Would not want to lynch that today.
Vivax feels very odd. Same slightly under the radar feel despite actually having a decent filter (which is a bad sign) but he at the same time just doesn't feel right like damdred does. If we're going for a lurker / under the radar.
LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts.
So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now. Maybe some of the other guys that I havn't bothered looking into yet. Can't remember a thing Onegu or breshke have said for that matter. But that's my stance for now and I'll start reading o/ this guy is town. I like the way he looks at rayn. Like a lot
Well I don't like it cause it's the usual meta argument where people expect you to play exactly the same in every game, it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't apply to rayn. People can change their styles, maybe rayn has become more considerate? I know mafia rayn as being more disruptive than town rayn so if I made the same observations as Toad I'd argue in the opposite direction.
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Mostly I remember the mafia games 1. where you were a hydra with mocsta and basically quit D1 insulting everybody and their parents and 2. the game where you told Koshi to modkill himself after being really low profile during D1.
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Artanis too srs for my taste.
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On March 21 2015 02:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:19 Vivax wrote:On March 21 2015 01:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 01:53 Toadesstern wrote:
Holy crap 25 pages I have to read... so anyways here's where I'm at for the day withouth reading that yet but having thought about what I already know:
Starting with obvious things that don't need that much explanation because duh, it's in my filter:
Palmar is mafia
Artanis I think has a decent chance to flip mafia. He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet.
Rayn just plain does nothing. Okay that's an exaggeration but I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him because putting pressure on him is the wrong way to figure out his alignment. He just gets angry and the game becomes unplayable as he throws a tantrum. That being said I tried not to do that and from what I've seen he wasn't bullied by other people either, the closest thing being HF mentioning him a lot but even in that case it felt like HF was almost ignoring him so he had all the space he can ask for. And still I don't see anything a town!Rayn would do here. I'd expect him to be kicking and screaming out of his lungs having found at least one 100% mafia by now and how we all need to do what he wants and we're all terrible for not realizing that his scumread is 100% confirmed. I just don't see it. Yes he apparently has some reads but the kick is missing.
on to people I havn't realy read and it's more of a gut-read:
SL I still feel very strongly about just being a lynchbait. I don't even have a read on him, he's pretty much null for me but I just don't see this emoticon thing being a thing. The reason for which he got a target early on was stupid and I think he among myself was the easy (easier) place to dump votes onto for mafia or start a mislynch. I'm not going to lynch that unless someone shows me something big that happened in the last 25 pages about him.
Damdred/Vivax/LS, Damdred actually feels decent in my books even though he's feeling under the radar. Not sure why, but I like the way he's posting with not the slightest care&fear in the world. Would not want to lynch that today.
Vivax feels very odd. Same slightly under the radar feel despite actually having a decent filter (which is a bad sign) but he at the same time just doesn't feel right like damdred does. If we're going for a lurker / under the radar.
LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts.
So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now. Maybe some of the other guys that I havn't bothered looking into yet. Can't remember a thing Onegu or breshke have said for that matter. But that's my stance for now and I'll start reading o/ this guy is town. I like the way he looks at rayn. Like a lot Well I don't like it cause it's the usual meta argument where people expect you to play exactly the same in every game, it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't apply to rayn. People can change their styles, maybe rayn has become more considerate? I know mafia rayn as being more disruptive than town rayn so if I made the same observations as Toad I'd argue in the opposite direction. how is it just solely based on meta and an exaggeration? if you get rid of the meta then it just leaves rayn has reads and he isn't driving them home like he should be and isn't really doing anything
I have reads too and people aren't falling to their knees when I post reasons for these reads, there's only so much you can do when they don't listen. You are in the same spot. You have a scumread on rayn and only few people willing to pile up, does this make you the same as rayn?
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I like how it feels in my hands
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The last game I was in with rayn he got confronted with the same arguments really, he was town and we wrecked scum. That's cause he shot me in the game before that game and I threw a tantrum and he started being more careful. That's my opinion. So I can think of a reason that rayn doesn't live to his kicking and screaming standard Toad is suggesting.
While people being too serious, ie not having fun, who feel like they don't really believe their arguments or overemphasize them tend to be scum, which is what I'm saying about Artanis. @ HF
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And the last part I use generally cause the hard part about playing scum is actually finding reasons to scumread townies when you have to lie all the time, and having the solution to the game takes the fun out of it for most people.
So stop quoting me 
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Toad be honest, you're an incredibly cocky town
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You even think you're son goku when you are town
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Now Toad, to get back to your complaint. That was more of a funny jibe at you. The fact you're being a whiny little frog makes you more mafia than what I previously said, completely unrelated to your meta but related to the fact you go haywire on Palmar calling you scum based on wording and me posting that jibe.
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Another thing about Toad is that in his later big post with the reads he picked all of the people who are up for lynch today, nothing novel, just the low hanging fruit other people worked for.
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On March 21 2015 02:40 Vivax wrote:
Another thing about Toad is that in his later big post with the reads he picked all of the people who are up for lynch today, nothing novel, just the low hanging fruit other people worked for.
And to add on this, he doesn't display a clear preference. He literally just gave his own reasoning on everyone that has a shot at getting lynched. That's mafiaish cause he feels he doesn't have to do anything else except comment on people townies already want to lynch, so he gives a bit of -bsbsbs- on each one of them to appease us.
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To Toad's defense, Palmar is "his" scumread, and on him I couldn't be this confident after what I've seen.
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