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On March 20 2015 01:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 12:20 Toadesstern wrote:On March 19 2015 12:10 LightningStrike wrote:On March 19 2015 12:00 Toadesstern wrote:On March 19 2015 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 19 2015 11:50 Toadesstern wrote:Like everyone's talking about how I'm playing different than I used to last games... no shit I got killed on first cycle like 4 times in a row and lost 4 games in a row now. Last game in particular I feel like I lost because I was trolling too much and didn't get enough out in time which ended in people not lynching Sandroba when he was 100% mafia on my sheet. I needed to be a lot more serious in that game early on and we could have won  Ya you kinda got lynched because Palmars tunneling you that's the thing in Hammertime. Also I can understand a little bit on why you thought you need to be more serious after JOAT but still it just odd playing with a already serious you. I mean if I get mafiaread for being different or more serious than I played in my last couple games there's nothing I can and will say about that other than my occasional banter about how that's not alignment indicative at all unless someone points out how different means scummy... because there's nothing I can say about it. I am playing differently (probably) With that being said, if that's what it's like I'll just ignore everything in that direction from now on and just focus on getting my reads out a little bit earlier than last game and making sure I get them out properly explained. Got angry about Palmar pulling the same shit he did in Hammertime when he should know better and talked myself into a wolf... won't happen again and this is the last post about it. Ya true about Palmar should know better on that but you seemed to taken it more personally o.o Are you still offended by Palmar's thing on you in Hammertime when you both were town? from JoaT: On March 03 2015 08:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Fear not guyses for I have yet again rolled neither mafia nor Ninja. Thus I will proceed to kill all those mafias and not be mislynched d1 despite being called fucking confirmed town 24-36hours into the game.
Let me check real quick if Palmar is in the game not really offended but annoyed. I thought he was town early on doing it on purpose to start some discussion or get some read from me based on how I'd react if he misreads me again like that, so yeah I got annoyed at the possible idea of having to deal with that again because he might make someone else agree with it... Right know I'm pretty sure he's mafia for keeping at it and knowing that it annoys me. Can some of the guys who think my tone is so awful and completly different this game please go ahead and at least compare that post above with my first post in here instead of just believing all this about how my tone is completly different? Props for nailing it on my seriousness though LS. Because yeah, that did change, just not the thing Palmar and HF mentioned. I dunno in the quote it's different in joat isn't it?
read his fucking reasoning. He said
"Toad is mafia for using the word guyses and not formatting like he did last time"
That's literally been his words. I quote:
On March 19 2015 09:02 Palmar wrote:
I actually kinda sorta maybe believe my reasons for voting Toad. Both of the things I said are true.
#1 "guyses" is not a word any viable human being utters in a normal sentence.
#2 He is half-assedly copying what was a much cooler play when he was town
now stop taking things out of context
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On March 20 2015 01:27 Palmar wrote:
It's much better to call me town Toad, if you wanna be friends.
Never, you'll die once I flip
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On March 20 2015 01:27 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 20:57 Holyflare wrote:
and toad if you read this don't defend your shit just scum hunt plz
that's what I'm doing, thanks for finally agreeing with me and that my post about palmar is good o/
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On March 20 2015 01:27 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 01:27 Toadesstern wrote:On March 20 2015 01:23 Holyflare wrote:On March 19 2015 12:20 Toadesstern wrote:On March 19 2015 12:10 LightningStrike wrote:On March 19 2015 12:00 Toadesstern wrote:On March 19 2015 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 19 2015 11:50 Toadesstern wrote:Like everyone's talking about how I'm playing different than I used to last games... no shit I got killed on first cycle like 4 times in a row and lost 4 games in a row now. Last game in particular I feel like I lost because I was trolling too much and didn't get enough out in time which ended in people not lynching Sandroba when he was 100% mafia on my sheet. I needed to be a lot more serious in that game early on and we could have won Ya you kinda got lynched because Palmars tunneling you that's the thing in Hammertime. Also I can understand a little bit on why you thought you need to be more serious after JOAT but still it just odd playing with a already serious you. I mean if I get mafiaread for being different or more serious than I played in my last couple games there's nothing I can and will say about that other than my occasional banter about how that's not alignment indicative at all unless someone points out how different means scummy... because there's nothing I can say about it. I am playing differently (probably) With that being said, if that's what it's like I'll just ignore everything in that direction from now on and just focus on getting my reads out a little bit earlier than last game and making sure I get them out properly explained. Got angry about Palmar pulling the same shit he did in Hammertime when he should know better and talked myself into a wolf... won't happen again and this is the last post about it. Ya true about Palmar should know better on that but you seemed to taken it more personally o.o Are you still offended by Palmar's thing on you in Hammertime when you both were town? from JoaT: On March 03 2015 08:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Fear not guyses for I have yet again rolled neither mafia nor Ninja. Thus I will proceed to kill all those mafias and not be mislynched d1 despite being called fucking confirmed town 24-36hours into the game.
Let me check real quick if Palmar is in the game not really offended but annoyed. I thought he was town early on doing it on purpose to start some discussion or get some read from me based on how I'd react if he misreads me again like that, so yeah I got annoyed at the possible idea of having to deal with that again because he might make someone else agree with it... Right know I'm pretty sure he's mafia for keeping at it and knowing that it annoys me. Can some of the guys who think my tone is so awful and completly different this game please go ahead and at least compare that post above with my first post in here instead of just believing all this about how my tone is completly different? Props for nailing it on my seriousness though LS. Because yeah, that did change, just not the thing Palmar and HF mentioned. I dunno in the quote it's different in joat isn't it? read his fucking reasoning. He said "Toad is mafia for using the word guyses and not formatting like he did last time" That's literally been his words. I quote: On March 19 2015 09:02 Palmar wrote:
I actually kinda sorta maybe believe my reasons for voting Toad. Both of the things I said are true.
#1 "guyses" is not a word any viable human being utters in a normal sentence.
#2 He is half-assedly copying what was a much cooler play when he was town now stop taking things out of context um you are blind, maybe you should read the thread
go fuck off or tell me what you're getting at because what I quoted is exactly what he said. And there's absolutely no difference in that regard about the two posts
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On March 20 2015 01:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 01:03 Palmar wrote:On March 20 2015 00:49 rsoultin wrote:On March 20 2015 00:46 Palmar wrote:On March 20 2015 00:33 rsoultin wrote:lol palmar any reads that aren't omgus?  your comment on ls' list posts is buuuuuggging me since you've gotten much better at reading ls yourself...if i'm wrong, please show me I'm amazing at reading LS. But I usually do it by finding some single instance of a thing he just wouldn't say or do as mafia. fair enough ^^ i think i've seen you do that so what specifically about toad's entrance makes it different than his other entrances? It's weaker. I guess I was wrong that he wouldn't use the word guyses, apparently he's simply not a viable human being. But the point still stands that was a half-assed "vote me major" entrance compared to the last one in hammertime. Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 01:07 Holyflare wrote:
it's worse because he actually changed the opening? and he doesn't even just quote it with colours and everything Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 01:23 Holyflare wrote:On March 19 2015 12:20 Toadesstern wrote:On March 19 2015 12:10 LightningStrike wrote:On March 19 2015 12:00 Toadesstern wrote:On March 19 2015 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 19 2015 11:50 Toadesstern wrote:Like everyone's talking about how I'm playing different than I used to last games... no shit I got killed on first cycle like 4 times in a row and lost 4 games in a row now. Last game in particular I feel like I lost because I was trolling too much and didn't get enough out in time which ended in people not lynching Sandroba when he was 100% mafia on my sheet. I needed to be a lot more serious in that game early on and we could have won Ya you kinda got lynched because Palmars tunneling you that's the thing in Hammertime. Also I can understand a little bit on why you thought you need to be more serious after JOAT but still it just odd playing with a already serious you. I mean if I get mafiaread for being different or more serious than I played in my last couple games there's nothing I can and will say about that other than my occasional banter about how that's not alignment indicative at all unless someone points out how different means scummy... because there's nothing I can say about it. I am playing differently (probably) With that being said, if that's what it's like I'll just ignore everything in that direction from now on and just focus on getting my reads out a little bit earlier than last game and making sure I get them out properly explained. Got angry about Palmar pulling the same shit he did in Hammertime when he should know better and talked myself into a wolf... won't happen again and this is the last post about it. Ya true about Palmar should know better on that but you seemed to taken it more personally o.o Are you still offended by Palmar's thing on you in Hammertime when you both were town? from JoaT: On March 03 2015 08:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Fear not guyses for I have yet again rolled neither mafia nor Ninja. Thus I will proceed to kill all those mafias and not be mislynched d1 despite being called fucking confirmed town 24-36hours into the game.
Let me check real quick if Palmar is in the game not really offended but annoyed. I thought he was town early on doing it on purpose to start some discussion or get some read from me based on how I'd react if he misreads me again like that, so yeah I got annoyed at the possible idea of having to deal with that again because he might make someone else agree with it... Right know I'm pretty sure he's mafia for keeping at it and knowing that it annoys me. Can some of the guys who think my tone is so awful and completly different this game please go ahead and at least compare that post above with my first post in here instead of just believing all this about how my tone is completly different? Props for nailing it on my seriousness though LS. Because yeah, that did change, just not the thing Palmar and HF mentioned. I dunno in the quote it's different in joat isn't it?
there's no coloring in the Joat one. Literally no coloring at all.
Also no formatting.
Also I change them everytime. I never copy & paste those posts but do them roughly the same but I'm sure you know that because I have about 15 posts like that, that all read like that and they're all slightly different because I copy&pasted none other than the general structure of it.
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On March 20 2015 01:32 Palmar wrote:
@toad do you think Artanis is mafia for that post you quoted?
idk, he said he doesn't read games he's hosting... which is a convenient excuse to copy&paste the reasoning of people that agreed with you in Hammertime to lynch town!Toad
Could be a set-up to push his vote onto me and not let me defend myself based on "you literally hosted the game that ended after the 2nd cycle because Palmar + 3 other people lynched me for exactly what you just said about me" because duh... he's not reading his own games
He hasn't really done a lot that caught my eye and he feels nothing like the carefree guy he usually is. I'd say chances are it's Palmar+Artanis or Palmar+HF. Probably Palmar+Artanis because HF is actually doing stuff, even if it's incredibly annoying, stupid stuff.
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On March 20 2015 01:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 01:32 Toadesstern wrote:On March 20 2015 01:28 Holyflare wrote:On March 20 2015 01:03 Palmar wrote:On March 20 2015 00:49 rsoultin wrote:On March 20 2015 00:46 Palmar wrote:On March 20 2015 00:33 rsoultin wrote:lol palmar any reads that aren't omgus? your comment on ls' list posts is buuuuuggging me since you've gotten much better at reading ls yourself...if i'm wrong, please show me I'm amazing at reading LS. But I usually do it by finding some single instance of a thing he just wouldn't say or do as mafia. fair enough ^^ i think i've seen you do that so what specifically about toad's entrance makes it different than his other entrances? It's weaker. I guess I was wrong that he wouldn't use the word guyses, apparently he's simply not a viable human being. But the point still stands that was a half-assed "vote me major" entrance compared to the last one in hammertime. On March 20 2015 01:07 Holyflare wrote:
it's worse because he actually changed the opening? and he doesn't even just quote it with colours and everything On March 20 2015 01:23 Holyflare wrote:On March 19 2015 12:20 Toadesstern wrote:On March 19 2015 12:10 LightningStrike wrote:On March 19 2015 12:00 Toadesstern wrote:On March 19 2015 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 19 2015 11:50 Toadesstern wrote:Like everyone's talking about how I'm playing different than I used to last games... no shit I got killed on first cycle like 4 times in a row and lost 4 games in a row now. Last game in particular I feel like I lost because I was trolling too much and didn't get enough out in time which ended in people not lynching Sandroba when he was 100% mafia on my sheet. I needed to be a lot more serious in that game early on and we could have won Ya you kinda got lynched because Palmars tunneling you that's the thing in Hammertime. Also I can understand a little bit on why you thought you need to be more serious after JOAT but still it just odd playing with a already serious you. I mean if I get mafiaread for being different or more serious than I played in my last couple games there's nothing I can and will say about that other than my occasional banter about how that's not alignment indicative at all unless someone points out how different means scummy... because there's nothing I can say about it. I am playing differently (probably) With that being said, if that's what it's like I'll just ignore everything in that direction from now on and just focus on getting my reads out a little bit earlier than last game and making sure I get them out properly explained. Got angry about Palmar pulling the same shit he did in Hammertime when he should know better and talked myself into a wolf... won't happen again and this is the last post about it. Ya true about Palmar should know better on that but you seemed to taken it more personally o.o Are you still offended by Palmar's thing on you in Hammertime when you both were town? from JoaT: On March 03 2015 08:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Fear not guyses for I have yet again rolled neither mafia nor Ninja. Thus I will proceed to kill all those mafias and not be mislynched d1 despite being called fucking confirmed town 24-36hours into the game.
Let me check real quick if Palmar is in the game not really offended but annoyed. I thought he was town early on doing it on purpose to start some discussion or get some read from me based on how I'd react if he misreads me again like that, so yeah I got annoyed at the possible idea of having to deal with that again because he might make someone else agree with it... Right know I'm pretty sure he's mafia for keeping at it and knowing that it annoys me. Can some of the guys who think my tone is so awful and completly different this game please go ahead and at least compare that post above with my first post in here instead of just believing all this about how my tone is completly different? Props for nailing it on my seriousness though LS. Because yeah, that did change, just not the thing Palmar and HF mentioned. I dunno in the quote it's different in joat isn't it? there's no coloring in the Joat one. Literally no coloring at all. Also no formatting. Also I change them everytime. I never copy & paste those posts but do them roughly the same but I'm sure you know that because I have about 15 posts like that, that all read like that and they're all slightly different because I copy&pasted none other than the general structure of it. look dude i just don't really care to be honest, your post seemed off and I thought it was too forced but then you said it was copy and pasted so then it meant nothing but now you're just wasting time all game on palmar just like you did in cultured to geript and it's bugging me so stop it and move on, we know you scum read palmar now, thanks for the information
so stop fucking bringing up the stupid coloring or formating that I've already shown to be bullshit. I was doing just fine when you left the thread yesterday and did my thing reading up on LS & Palmar and now you're just keeping at it.
I know you don't like my Palmar read but that doesn't mean I'm not doing anything. I'm not going to keep on harping about it. I made my point and that's why I made that one big post with the [*big] tags in it.
Next guy to look into is Artanis followed up by you if you for just a second stop bugging me.
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I'm not fucking looking at rayn first. If I do that you just call me mafia based on not going after my own reads and just looking&repeating what other people already mentioned no matter what I post.
I'm looking at Artanis first, you're second. You want me to scumhunt so stop telling me what to do and let me do and look at it in a 12 hours.
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okay here's the thing about Artanis, to get this straight with context I'll explain the context for you guys as well!
It is 24:00 CET, the game begings. Toad is currently playing boat-moba thus only posting inbetween and didn't even realize the game started. Thus the rushed inbetween posts while alt-tabbing in games.
About 01:00 CET, my internet crashes and I am afk for about... idk at least an hour
About 02:00 CET, I'm back and actually doing stuff. You might not agree with things I did like my Palmar read but I did some stuff. Enough for people to figure out that I don't like Palmar and want him lynched at least.
This continues until around 05:30 CET. Argueably I got distracted everytime HF got in the thread but I felt like I was actually getting my thoughts out at least when I made it pretty obvious that I don't want to lean back another game as townie and just lose that way.
So that's the basic background, Artanis gets in the thread and posts this:
On March 19 2015 20:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
1) I'm reading Toad's filter now and the only thing I got out of it was that he thinks Palmar is scum, some interactions with SL 2) and a lot of fluff particularly on Pg 2. 3) What I don't really understand is why he let go of the Palmar scum theory in favour of chasing SL, then jumped back to Palmar without any real 'trigger' for it other than rsoultin asking him.
Problem with that is that he mentions he's back to voting for Palmar in response to that question before he expands, so he had already been thinking of switching back to Palmar before anyone triggered him. Palmar hadn't posted between the time Toad switched to SL and went back to Palmar.
3 important things here:
1) Hypocrisy. He even mentioned someone else being a hypocrite towards him and fos'es me for only getting 1 mafiaread during the time between... 00:00AM and 05:30AM? He knows I'm from europe, he knows I've got to sleep, heck I even wrote it in the thread and he says he doesn't know enough about my reads despite him not giving out a single hard read up to that point. Check his filter up to that point and you won't find anything and yet he criticizes me for that?
2) He knows me. Everyone on here that knows me knows that I'm the boxxy of TL-mafia. I post a lot. I post a lot of big walls that noone reads. Chances are you, my dear non-reader, aren't actually reading this very sentence because you already gave up on it because it's too long and fully. That's what I do. No matter of alignment. Every single game.
Sorry I just can't help it but he knows that I do it and he knows that I do it no matter of alignment. There's a big famous game that I had with VE + gom... whatever his name was that had like 200pages by the end of d2 because we're all very talkactive. He knows about that shit. He should not bring up my fluffyness no matter how cute I am.
3) I never gave up on Palmar. I think I made it plenty clear that I want him lynched and if I ever get the chance to lynch him I'm going to grab that chance and kick him out of this game. So HF reads me mafia for focussing too much on Palmar, Artanis reads me mafia for not focusing enough on Palmar and discussing other people even if I think Palmar is 99% confirmed mafia at this point. Great.
Did anyone here really think I let go of my Palmar read in general? I thought it was pretty damn obvious that I was just putting it aside for a sec to discuss some other stuff at that time, in this case SL.
Feels like he's pushing me because he wants to push me rather than actually being convinced I'm mafia. He directly goes against what HF thinks and comes to the same conclusion as HF with the opposite interpretation with his #3. He knows better than to use #2 and he himself is worse than me for what he's accusing me about with his #1 at that point in time.
The one thing Artanis has going for himself is that he apparently thinks I'm mafia. Mafias don't tend to mafiaread me because I post too big walloftexts and they're too lazy to actually read them so they'll nullread me or townread me because "wow, much text, very town"
But the reasoning is really bad here.
Still want to lynch Palmar. I'd be up for Artanis though.
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whoever quotes a certain phrase up there, proving that he is reading gets a free townread from me.
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damn it, that was supposed to be fluffy. Guess HF is town...
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On March 20 2015 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:hey there are actually a couple of really good points there Toad. you go to townpile. 
I've got no idea if I'm supposed to laugh, cry or whatever else at this moment because I have no idea if that was sacrasmn or not with this being in there:On March 20 2015 02:20 Toadesstern wrote:
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The one thing Artanis has going for himself is that he apparently thinks I'm mafia. Mafias don't tend to mafiaread me because I post too big walloftexts and they're too lazy to actually read them so they'll nullread me or townread me because "wow, much text, very town"
But the reasoning is really bad here.
Still want to lynch Palmar. I'd be up for Artanis though.
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Well, HF is town as we just figured out.
Palmar is still mafia.
So it can't be Palmar+HF after all. So we change it to either Palmar+Artanis or Palmar+Rayn imo
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On March 20 2015 02:44 Damdred wrote:
Toad have I ever told you that I love your traps?
Anyway I actually think you might have a stronger case for artanis in there than you do for Palmar at this point.
nah my case on Palmar is a crapton better. Like even if you argue that he was just making fun you're arguing that he was trying to get me pissed on purpose to have some fun and derail the thread. That's mafiaagenda if there ever was one.
And if not he's mafia because of my thread
caught mafia no matter what.
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On March 20 2015 02:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 02:41 Toadesstern wrote:On March 20 2015 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:hey there are actually a couple of really good points there Toad. you go to townpile. I've got no idea if I'm supposed to laugh, cry or whatever else at this moment because I have no idea if that was sacrasmn or not with this being in there: On March 20 2015 02:20 Toadesstern wrote:
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The one thing Artanis has going for himself is that he apparently thinks I'm mafia. Mafias don't tend to mafiaread me because I post too big walloftexts and they're too lazy to actually read them so they'll nullread me or townread me because "wow, much text, very town"
But the reasoning is really bad here.
Still want to lynch Palmar. I'd be up for Artanis though. I meant i find it odd Holyflare and Artanis say you are mafia for completely opposite reasons and there is no confrontation between them for it. Like i am not sure if it's important but it's a good point i find interesting. Also you focusing onto other stuff momentarily is a towntell.
I honestly find it more daming for HF atm because he ended up doing a lot of "you're mafia so whatever you say shows that you're mafia" like that entire formating & color thing but he's apparently town... so yeah chances are Artanis was trying to agree and parot along while not realising that he used the exact opposite of what HF was getting at only to come to the same conclusion?
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On March 20 2015 02:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 02:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2015 02:41 Toadesstern wrote:On March 20 2015 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:hey there are actually a couple of really good points there Toad. you go to townpile. I've got no idea if I'm supposed to laugh, cry or whatever else at this moment because I have no idea if that was sacrasmn or not with this being in there: On March 20 2015 02:20 Toadesstern wrote:
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The one thing Artanis has going for himself is that he apparently thinks I'm mafia. Mafias don't tend to mafiaread me because I post too big walloftexts and they're too lazy to actually read them so they'll nullread me or townread me because "wow, much text, very town"
But the reasoning is really bad here.
Still want to lynch Palmar. I'd be up for Artanis though. I meant i find it odd Holyflare and Artanis say you are mafia for completely opposite reasons and there is no confrontation between them for it. Like i am not sure if it's important but it's a good point i find interesting. Also you focusing onto other stuff momentarily is a towntell. then you just aren't reading the thread at all because i most definitely already called him potential mafia
you just said you have different problems with Artanis though, implying what I mentioned about him disagreeing with you yet comming to the same conclusion isn't one of them?
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Well whatever, I'm more likely to get Palmar lynched than HF and I don't think I want HF lynched atm so moving on.
I'd like to hear those different reasons that are totally not the ones I mentioned just now though
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On March 20 2015 03:00 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here are the things why you SHOULD remember what i have said in the thread:
(1) you literally claim you have read my posts
(2) my reads apparently align with yours
(3) you read me scum
all of those are reasons you SHOULD remember what i have said and at least try to figure out why i say what i do yet you claim the opposite. Literally if you are sure i'm scum you don't need to make posts like this to convince me not to vote you. If i'm scum you do not need to break down whats wrong with my scum read TO ME. If i'm scum to you, this makes no sense to me why you post talking to me as such instead of pushing me to hell and back to get lynched.
I don't think that's particularly bad. Last game I played with rayn he had a 100% certain mafiaread d1 and that 100% certain mafiaread ended up flipping town. Chances are he's learning?
You know, unlike Palmar and why he's got to be mafia this game.
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man mutsuki just sucks... minekaze was a crapton more fun to play.
Voting Artanis because I think I'm more likely to get him lynched than Palmar. No real change of mind, just that.
this does not in any way or form mean I am backing down from my Palmar-read or think Artanis is more scummy than Palmar. I think they're both scummy, Palmar a lot more so than Artanis but if I can't get Palmar I'll take Artanis instead.
Don't even dare to call me backpaddling on my Palmar-read. I. Am. Not. In. The. Slightest.
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