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yeah I had some misscalls during the game. I wanted to play it save because I knew the game was won anyways once n1 was over so all we had to do was sit back, post some and get our free win.
That's why I was innitially against the Orb plan because to me it was just another unnecessary risk we did not have to take but in the end it was a really good play from Palmar/Sicklucker!
Ritoky played really well as well. Did not expect him to survive 2 cycles and in the end I basicly told him to claim mafia in the thread on purpose because if we get 3 mislynches in a row the thread will get paranoid and that might result in weird stuff. Wanted town to believe they still had a chance and for that ritoky had to claim mafia.
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well the thing about SL is that he kept bussing all game long no matter what... I could have looked better the last 2 cycles as well but worked towards getting our win and making sure that happens so yeah, obviously you figure me out if I push you Onegu 
I mean I got REALLY mad at sicklucker for bussing me frickin' 4 hours ago or what was it with this post:On April 06 2015 01:35 sicklucker wrote:
I still think toad could be the mathematical play here. I dont care how towny hes been the chances of two vets is still fairly low. Im open to lynching him ,ff and onegu today
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On April 06 2015 08:14 ritoky wrote:
it's a team game, it's not unwinnable for the team; you just gotta play your role to help the team. mine was to stall for as long as possible, cause confusion, and then get bussed when appropriate. i was very open about that being the plan from the moment i opened the scum qt.
yeah exactly. That's why I got so angry at some of the plays people did just "for the lulz" if they wen against the plan we had to win this
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On April 06 2015 08:23 sicklucker wrote:
It wasint at you tho. I just wanted to screw with the observers. The game was over there not lynching you. and if they do they aint lynchin me.
When I play mafia I try to do what I I would do as town. And I dont think I would ever give a second veg like 5 days of life when the setup seems town favored.
like half of your filter is "Toad looks weird... I don't believe we have 2 vigs" and I constantly had to tell you to stop bringing that up because noone else had problems with it lol
I know the post I quoted wasn't even meant the way I read it but it could have been dangerous. I still think that had I been lynched, flipped red and suddenly Damdred gets shot over you, you might get lynched because mafia ignored the 100% confirmed townie and shot damdred, a guy that was mafiared by at least trfel.
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I also got to agree with Koshi, I thought it was slightly town favored at first and looking back at it it was actually super balanced.
The only thing that I'd change is make sure you CAN actually fakeclaim as mafia. It worked out this game somehow but if you have named roles that supposedly exist only once... it's hard to do something against claims as mafia. But that's an issue with claims being too strong and not an issue with PR's being too strong.
I mean let's be honest... was there really a chance for town to roll doublevig and they're both called Drax?
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On April 06 2015 08:36 ritoky wrote:
also the mafia rolecop was so nerfed and we forgot about it until after we shot the veteran LOL
we were so dumb there.
yeah that one... I even PICKED trfel as the target in the end because I thought he was confirmed not vet
Rolecheck someone on night X, shoot him on night X+1 to make sure you're not shooting into VET. That was the thing I was doing and suddenly we shoot into VET anyways and I'm just like... wait wat?
That probably was the most derp moment for me in the game
On April 06 2015 08:37 ritoky wrote:
i think we rb'd eachother onegu. i think i targeted you and you targeted me...sooooo...dunno?
nah, I think we rb'ed Breshke that night? So yeah probably RB. The check on ritoky wouldn't really have mattered all that much though. We planned on you dying anyways so whatever~
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gotta be super sure he's not VET.
n3 was the time we didn't know what to do with the rolecheck anymore so I just threw it at whatever I'm going to shoot next to check for VETs and figured out that doesn't work.
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yeah the mafia motivation for CC-ing vivax was that we didn't actually look that good d1, I thought that if Vivax isn't getting lynched Rayn or LS will get lynched, which was both horrible for us so I CC'ed hoping for a Vivax lynch.
Worst case scenario we get a blue role lynched d1, I still have a chance to survive d2 because I'm unlynchable as mafia anyways as long as Marv is not in the game and both Palmar + Rayn who bussed me hardcore d1 look amazing. Was the better worst case in comparison to having rayn or LS lynched d1.
Best case scenario is what actually happened, or vivax lynch and me surviving d2.
And honestly nothing wrong with townreading me for that CC play. There's almost noone on TL that would have the balls to do that CC as Mafia besides maybe Marv and me... I don't actually think Marv would go for that either.
The people that mafiaread me in the end (Onegu + FF) only did it because I was active in the thread to make sure the topic doesn't change to something we don't want to be talked about (like what SL mentioned later on...).
Had I not done that people would have mafiaread Trfel.
Had I told SL to do that instead of doing it myself people would have mafiaread SL.
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On April 06 2015 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 01:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think Toadesstern should shoot Palmar and Vivax should shoot LightningStrike. Dat feel when you solve the game and then get shot for it. 
Blame eden. He told me to shoot you and I got the excuse to do it because of him
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Palmar did you honestly think the Orb was best play or did you want to be lazy?
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4 ML out of only 11 townies is actually pretty tough if the blues are really as confirmed as everyone treated them in this game.
I mean we had this happening with Vivax d1, he was the wagon and suddenly he's unlynchable because of the claim.
But that's more of an issue with idiot townies believing every claim no matter what making it really easy for Mafia to just fakeclaim or CC-fakeclaim like I did this game.
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probably comes down to making set-ups where it's more viable to fakeclaim as mafia. In set-ups that have few really powerful roles (medic/Jailer/DT) it's just really hard to do that as mafia. Maybe nerf them while giving out more blues. Like make them 1-shot or 2-shot Cop instead of a full Cop. I think we used to have a lot more people doubting claims in general 2 years ago whereas nowadays everyone just believes every claim no matter what.
Don't think you can tell people to not claim or you'll just get shittons of modkills.
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How can you manage to not get swarmed by masses of fangirls to the point that you don't have time for mafia anymore?
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not very dedicated fangirls I take it
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oh just saw the tinfoil stuff between Vivax / Artanis and there's two sides to it:
Thing is, like Artanis said you accused a lot of people based on not a lot. It's like someone put an idea in your head and then you started to spin that idea based on "what if the idea is correct". Which is fine, but you need to come up with an explanation why that's the case at some point.
Yes you were correct on me in the end but had it been Artanis or Trfel that flipped mafia while I'm town you'd be sitting here complaining about why Artanis and I called tinfoil on THOSE theories instead. You never made a compelling argument why what could have happened (and did happen) was more likely than what town believed to be the case (poe) or more likely than your other theories you had earlier. You just mentioned them as possible scenarios and went on "if that's the case here's how it went down"
To me it sounded like what was the most plausible scenario for you was based on a whim that might just change in 24 hours based on very little so it's hard to take it seriously if you know/think that in 24 hours there's just going to be another explanation from you that tosses everything from the previous day out of the window.
On the other hand I obviously tried to discredit you, not just when you were talking about me but also when you were talking about Artanis and the other guys because you're so volatile. I mentioned that Eden / Trfel / Artanis are easy to manipulate in the scum-QT multiple times and that we can keep them around as long as they're playing towards our wincon by defending us so I didn't have to do that with them. I was scared that you might just randomly pick up on something and while I didn't think you have it in you to lead town like Eden would I was scared that that might start a bushfire so I obviously discredited you on purpose just in case.
Artanis had a mighty townread on me so he was fine with calling it tinfoil because I was doing it a lot as well. Probably moreso than how much he would have done had I not done it myself I assume.
So tl;dr: Don't focus on what could have happened or what's possible so much. Ask yourself what's the most likely scenario and explain why you think what you're presenting is the most likely scenario rather than explaining why what you're thinking of is totally possible in some weird scenario. If you can't do that there's no point in presenting the idea because it might have as well been your Artanis, Trfel or someone-else theory that's correct and you're just cherrypicking post-game.
It would have been easy to explain the "missing" KP had anyone just mentioned the chance of me being mafia who isn't Vig. Also the lynch was between Vivax LS, Palmar and Rayn had I not claimed. 3 of those alignments people were aware for the most time, later on all 4.
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