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On March 26 2015 20:58 Vivax wrote: Lol I find it hilarious how much I annoy you. Why don't you help me lynching Slam? Asking to use the orb on him can be said for any other guy who's in the crossfire and won't get lynched today, which is why Damdred's argument was weird. I'm starting to suspect you're suspecting me just to annoy me at this point. I'm okay with a Slamfish lynch too but I think I can actually make a good case on Superbia. I went through the first bit of his filter on the toilet and it looks pretty scummy. | ||
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1. Tone On March 19 2015 09:57 Superbia wrote: Dumbtell boys. How many mafia are there in a game of 20? 5? Some GOAT player pointed this out as he posted it. It feels extremely self-conscious to add the "dumbtell" thing at the start immediately. 2. Goes after anyone that goes after him. 2.1 Me for pointing this out. + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2015 10:07 Superbia wrote: So, Artanis, do you want to take this opportunity to claim mafia? He goes after my poke for a little bit, gets called out for being a hypocrite and lets it go in a very weird way. On March 19 2015 10:18 Superbia wrote: Eh. Fair enough. I'm probably going to regret not pushing on this during post-game. But whatever. We'll see how your day progresses. He's going to regret not pushing me 2 hours into D1 for some dumb shit. Sounds more like setting himself up to go after me again. 2.2 Damdred for suspecting him + Show Spoiler + Damdred's initial suspicion of Super: On March 19 2015 22:22 Damdred wrote: Actually I really hate superbia currently. There was this point where the pressuring on trfel looked more dickish than town to a point. Like trfels night post and super said that's it, rubbed me the wrong way I suppose bit then when trfel stayed longer and posted more super was no where to be seen. Super is angry sounding as well.. Would lynch today Instant followup: On March 19 2015 22:38 Superbia wrote: Yo. Real quick, damdred is probable scum. I haven't really evaluated Vivax's alignment yet, though the whole thing looks pretty meh? I was never angry? I was having fun playing the game. Like Vivax, you even hinted to my scum game, why aren't you drawing any parallels? So, Damdred. Our reads have lined up pretty well, as can be told from my filter. We both had HF and Palmar as town early on. And Damdred had SL and trfel as scum. I was burying SL pretty hard yesterday (admittedly, maybe a bit too hard, but let's see what he brings today) and I was pushing on trfel, who you had as scum and according to your filter, were very unsure of. How is me pushing on trfel a scummy thing when you were leaning scum on him around the same time? Why isn't the thought process "well, I was scum-leaning on trfel as well, so I guess I can see where he's coming from"? Instead it is "trfel is town. Super pushed on him in a "dickish" way. He must be mafia". What? This doesn't line up at all with what is supposed to be your thought process. Why do we have similar reads if I'm mafia? Why am I burying SL so hard if, according to your world, we're mafia together? Btw. I was never angry. That is such fabricated nonsense. So Damdred is scum because Damdred shares Superbia's scumreads. Funny how Superbia forgets that it works exactly the other way around too. He also is under the impression that mafia never bus when he's bussed very strongly himself in the past. He emphasizes this first point again. On March 19 2015 23:07 Superbia wrote: It doesn't line up. You should be reading me town purely based on us having similar reads throughout the game. The fact that you don't know this but are still willing to call me mafia is alarming. Still oblivious to the irony. On March 20 2015 10:21 Superbia wrote: Eh, I can't help it. Just the way I post, I guess?  IDK. Maybe Damdred is the lazy town. I just feel very deeply and pretty strongly that he's the hidden mafia. So Rso basically mentions no arguments here, just that she feels Dammy gives her a townie feel but he's dropped off a bit and rather than trying to convince her of his arguments, he just goes... idk, maybe you're right. Maybe your townie feeling on him and that Damdred's dropped off a bit means he's town after all. After a few more arguments back and forth he decides... On March 20 2015 11:40 Superbia wrote: I'm not sure about damd atm. Also I missed this but Eden also says some good stuff. On March 20 2015 13:33 Eden1892 wrote: okay, this is the second time you've made the same logic error. i will explain again. if you make it a third time i will be forced to assume it's deliberate and respond accordingly. all of the following statements were contained in one post: - "damdred is probably my best pick for scum?" - "sicklucker is kind of meh" - "i am relatively certain 1 of them is scum, but i don't think both are" because these were all contained in one post, no one could have given input in-between any of these statements to change your relative certainty that one of them is scum. so taking this at face value, i do not understand why it is that you: - don't firmly conclude damdred is mafia - don't conclude that sicklucker isn't mafia - don't move your vote please explain why this inconsistency exists Superbia explains there these aren't absolute truths, but it's still weird that he doesn't act upon them. 3. Mentions a desire to lynch LS a lot but never does anything about it + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2015 10:34 Superbia wrote: LS is probably mafia. Active just before game. Inactive during game. On March 21 2015 05:59 Superbia wrote: Honestly? I think they're both town and that at least 2 mafia is lurking right now. I think LS is very likely among the lurking mafia. On March 21 2015 06:49 Superbia wrote: HF are you familiar with BM's meta? Like I'm willing to join the wagon but would prefer it to go on SL or LS, who I personally feel are mafia. Fuck the Ls and the Ss. On March 21 2015 07:30 Superbia wrote: Are you going to strongarm this BM lynch? I've asked multiple times regarding an SL or an LS wagon. Whatever. It's your fault if BM flips town though. On March 21 2015 07:35 Superbia wrote: Just ask yourself this one question: Where the fuck are SL and LS at? Also Slam? Then when it actually gets to it and it's a few hrs before lynch: On March 22 2015 05:56 Superbia wrote: All right, slam sounds like a pretty decent target at this point. What do you think about SL/LS? I know I've been shouting about them all EoD, but not much has changed (at least, not for me). Though maybe not LS because I might be shit at reading him (he always looks really mafia). I'm currently kinda looking at rso. I believe she has been leaning scum on me the entire game and has done seemingly nothing to further evaluate me. No real interaction or anything. I'm not really confident enough in calling for a vigi shot on her, however. Maybe Trfel? Whenever I see his name "may be scum" pops up in my head, but I'm not entire sure why. I don't think I've really interacted with him this game, except for maybe a few quips. I'm kind of scared of looking further at a second target tonight, since I'm reading like 3 scummy-ish people as PR. Suddenly Superbia doesn't really want to lynch him anymore when he becomes a legitimate target. 4. Vig Claims + Show Spoiler + This is what Superbia thinks about the vig claims at the time Vivax claims Vig. On March 21 2015 05:06 Superbia wrote: What? Rofl. This is the dumbest thing ever. Vig is the WORST thing to claim as mafia. Because other vig will just counterclaim and shoot the mafia. Changes quite quickly to.. On March 21 2015 05:23 Superbia wrote: I vehemently disagree. I think we need to evaluate either of you independently of the claim. Does mafia really claim vig here? Does mafia really CC vig? I honestly don't see either as likely. He went from scum would never claim vig because they can get counterclaimed to accepting that there are two vigis quite quickly. It's possible that he thought of this as town, but what I find more likely is that he KNEW they were both legit. Being right is very easy as mafia. There was no logic for a town player lying at this point, so both claims had to be legit. He also came up with the best solution for Mafia: On March 21 2015 05:18 Superbia wrote: I think we have the vigis shoot each other, right? This fucks us up so hard if they're both town, but I don't think we should spend lynches on this. Which he suggests DESPITE thinking both claims are town. He literally went over that a few minutes later. Purely pushing scum motivation. 5. LS part 2 + Show Spoiler + On March 21 2015 06:19 Superbia wrote: I think I'm a 100% on board. I would be okay with Breshke or SL as well. Bad, bad feelings. On March 21 2015 06:32 Superbia wrote: I'd be okay with this. I have literally no read on BM though. Can we default back to SL? Or maybe go on LS? Such arguments, much wow. Also, one thing to note is that he kept pairing LS (scum) and SL (99% Town) together. LS has been a peripheral scumread for Superbia all game long, but he never really pushed him. 6. Creating doubt on people in the town circle + Show Spoiler + Throughout the game but especially towards the later days, Superbia's been trying to cast doubt on players we consider townie. At first, it was me. Later it was Damdred, then later still it was Toad and once again myself. On March 25 2015 06:46 Superbia wrote: So 2 KP shown during the night means one of two things: 1. Mafia KP got reduced. 2. You (toad) are not the vigi. Note also that Toad happened to go after one of his theories a little bit before this. + Show Spoiler + On March 25 2015 06:45 Superbia wrote: Yeah but this play is way too obvious. Mafia never wants to be obvious. And then there's his case on me which is terrible and I've gone into before as it only proves I've been wrong and that I've changed my reads a lot. 7. His Slam is always mafia if the vigis are real idea + Show Spoiler + On March 25 2015 06:58 Superbia wrote: There were mason claims and a fake Tracker in rayn (iirc). I'm just speculating because I believe more information can be extracted from the NKs with 2 vigi claims. Let's eliminate the world in which both vigis are real, and slam is town: - Scum never RBs Vivax because: - You show 4 KP in the night (withholding a possible mafia vig shot), 4 town die, town suspects vigis due to possibility of mafia vig. Mafia probably wins game. Hence, if you believe both vigis, Slam is probably always mafia. He pushed this idea very strongly despite all of town going in against him. As Eden has mentioned, it suggests tmi. It's dumb as there's plenty of blues that can mess up actions and you don't know who the vigis will shoot, yet Superbia is convinced that it'd be the correct play for mafia to let both vigis shoot. Concluding Superbia is probably mafia because: 1. Tone 2. OMGUSed myself and Damdred then let it go for apparently no reason 3. Went after LS without actually ever giving reasons, softpushing him all game and combining him a lot with SL 4. Believed both Vig claims were town but wanted them to shoot eachother anyway 5. Switches to BM without trying to get anyone to actually lynch LS 6. Tries to create doubt on any players commonly considered town to gain extra mislynches 7. Seems to have TMI (probably worst point tho) ##Vote Superbia Also don't respond to the case except with "good case" and let him defend himself. | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:34 Superbia wrote: So, Artanis, the rest of the time where you've been scumreading me was without having checked out my filter? I haven't been scumreading you besides on PoE. | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:36 Superbia wrote: Your reads haven't been "fluid". They've been chaotic. Same thing different word. I've demonstrated that your "reads" do not influence your progression whatsoever. You move top scum to hard town in a split second. Town trait. Scum is actually concerned with these things, town isn't. You are town-read your previous top scum after he does exactly what you predicted he would do if he were scum (partial thanks to FF for pointing that out). Vivax actually shot Slam though rather than doing his own thing, and he's proven himself to be town by doing different things than what I predicted by being super active even after the flip which I wouldn't have imagined him to do as mafia. | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:38 Superbia wrote: Like I am willing to die if Artanis flips town. You die first tho. On March 26 2015 22:40 Superbia wrote: So what have you been doing this game? How are you so active yet you have not been analyzing the alignment of people deemed scummy? Solving the game by PoE, trying to prevent town from going off course due to creating stupid theories like Vivax has been doing all game. | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:43 Superbia wrote: How do you know this for sure? Especially at that point? Why do you reference his filter length of all things when you were town reading him? Why do you only start mentioning this post-flip? Because I checked his scum filters and they were at most 13 pages by D5. He's posted an immense amount more at that time as scum than he ever did in any of his previous games. I remember Vivax telling everyone how bad his scumgames were a while back. After the night I went into his games and saw that indeed he never posts this much as scum. | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:44 Superbia wrote: Are you willing to get lynched if I flip town? Like no fucking bullshit. I am perfectly willing to flip if it means you're going to get 100% lynched. Why the fuck would I agree to that? I don't know the alignments for sure. I could be wrong. You're trying to create some kind of false dichotomy here. | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:45 Superbia wrote: Your case is shit because I'm town. They're rehashed arguments from Eden which have eaten up my time the entire game responding to them. Good rebuttal. On March 26 2015 22:46 Superbia wrote: What's the parallel between this game and my scum games? Combing through your filter was work enough already. I didn't have anything specific I wanted to meta you for this game, so I haven't checked them. With everyone I've meta'd, I've had a specific reason to look into their meta. With Vivax, it was because he posted a lot and I remember how he's mentioned having trouble posting as scum, so I wanted to verify that. With Onegu, it was because I was looking for something specific in that he scumread someone universally regarded as town. With you, it was simply PoE. | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:48 Superbia wrote: I'm pretty confident you're the sleeper scum in this game. Good argumentation. | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:52 Superbia wrote: Bullshit. One of your arguments is that I have bussed in the past, indicating that you have some sort of realization of what my meta is. Draw parallels. Which was my one game with you in Imperial. Stop telling me how to do my job and respond to the entire post if you can. | ||
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And I have rebutted all of it, which you haven't replied to. | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:54 Superbia wrote: I bussed in Imperial? Hardly. I threw some scum on Ritoky (iirc), my team mate. That's about it. You can't half-ass this shit. Pretty sure Ritoky was your main scum candidate all game long until you rolled over and died. | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:58 Superbia wrote: I just fucking did. Your one line response that "it indicates that [my](Art) reads are fluid" is such utter nonsense. The response that it is "townie" to flip hard between people's alignment is nonsense. There is a good reason if you're town as to why you're reading people scummy, and if you read someone scum at any point during the game, this fucking nags you until they are confirmed via a flip or whatever. Like in no fucking world do you switch your reads around that easily, ESPECIALLY on Vivax PRE-NIGHTFLIPS. Absolute nonsense. No world in which you are town. Okay, why don't you go through my mafia games and point out to me where I flip hard on people by my own accord, then go through my town games and do the same? I'm very curious to see what you'll find. | ||
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On March 26 2015 23:01 Superbia wrote: Your explanation doesn't cover your actions. To be honest, I don't think any explanation would cover your actions. It's because your actions are not townie, they're scummy. No matter how many times you say this, it doesn't make it true. | ||
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On March 26 2015 23:03 Superbia wrote: The fact that you have been fully aware of your mafia meta means that meta is going to mean so fucking little. You flipping mafia in Imperial was completely unexpected for everyone, right? That means that you are fully able to make changes to your meta. Yeah, I can drastically change my mafia meta to go from being one of the worst mafia players to having one good mafia game to rolling mafia for the third time in four games and then playing EVEN BETTER AND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. That makes much sense. | ||
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