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On March 25 2015 08:53 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 08:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 25 2015 08:49 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2015 08:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 25 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:Damdred calls for use on palmar: On March 25 2015 07:29 Damdred wrote:
Also orb user do it to Palmar! Ultimate use out of it March 25th, 7:29 SL's last known activity: On March 24 2015 18:31 sicklucker wrote:
weekend* March 24th, 18:31 On March 25 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote:
Can I be confirmed town because I told orb user to shoot Palmar.
I feel like vivax I have a theory brewing No, you cannot. Your call for a use on Palmar based on activity was completely inconsequential and is just you trying to grab town cred. That's presuming SL was telling the truth which no one knew, and presuming Damdred remembered SL saying that. This point is stretching AT THE VERY LEAST. Why does he mention it once, I tell him no, no one else comments, and so he mentions it again? Isn't damdred like universally town read by everyone but me and maybe vivax? Why does he need to make a show of getting even more town cred or bring it up. Just seems like capitalizing on a situation which mafia are more apt to do. Because apparently he found it important to mention. It's really not much of a stretch. lol you're really gonna have to talk me out of this one. i have a pretty fucking good read on damdred, and he was mason or mafia. he said no to mason. regardless onegu needs to be resolved first so i will just drop it for now.
I'm willing to revisit Damdred once my PoE proves ineffective. I'm pretty sure I can get a margin of error that leaves us at lylo pending on who the orb had if there's a mafia in my confirmed town list.
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On March 25 2015 08:55 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not onegu's partner
Sorry I was running errands
So exciting, it's either sicklucker whom if he shot Palmar is confirmed town, Slam in which case they're the scummiest mason couple of all time, or it's time for Onegu to die.
I'm personally banking on the third.
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On March 25 2015 09:01 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 08:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 25 2015 08:53 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2015 08:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 25 2015 08:49 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2015 08:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 25 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:Damdred calls for use on palmar: On March 25 2015 07:29 Damdred wrote:
Also orb user do it to Palmar! Ultimate use out of it March 25th, 7:29 SL's last known activity: On March 24 2015 18:31 sicklucker wrote:
weekend* March 24th, 18:31 On March 25 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote:
Can I be confirmed town because I told orb user to shoot Palmar.
I feel like vivax I have a theory brewing No, you cannot. Your call for a use on Palmar based on activity was completely inconsequential and is just you trying to grab town cred. That's presuming SL was telling the truth which no one knew, and presuming Damdred remembered SL saying that. This point is stretching AT THE VERY LEAST. Why does he mention it once, I tell him no, no one else comments, and so he mentions it again? Isn't damdred like universally town read by everyone but me and maybe vivax? Why does he need to make a show of getting even more town cred or bring it up. Just seems like capitalizing on a situation which mafia are more apt to do. Because apparently he found it important to mention. It's really not much of a stretch. lol you're really gonna have to talk me out of this one. i have a pretty fucking good read on damdred, and he was mason or mafia. he said no to mason. regardless onegu needs to be resolved first so i will just drop it for now. I'm willing to revisit Damdred once my PoE proves ineffective. I'm pretty sure I can get a margin of error that leaves us at lylo pending on who the orb had if there's a mafia in my confirmed town list. idk there's a bit of a problem with your PoE though. namely that I am in your PoE and I am confirmed town, SL is in your PoE and in all likelihood he just shot mafia so he is confirmed town, and Breshke is in your PoE; perhaps I am wrong on Breshke but that read he gave when I interacted with him was pretty town. so...uhhhh you gotta be wrong somewhere right? unless the team is literally breshke + superbia + slam (maybe with a dash of onegu)
SL will be removed from my PoE when it's confirmed he took the orb shot. My PoE should be a decent bit stronger today after both the shot and the mason thing get resolved.
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On March 25 2015 09:12 Damdred wrote:
Honestly I'm kind of sliding into the tinfoil theory that oneg is Scum rb Or gf and they meant to double stack hf and Trfel used the orb on,vivax and for lucky on rb or unlucky depending.
Total tinfoil
Don't go vivax on me now dammy. Stay the course until you have strong reason to doubt.
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On March 25 2015 09:39 Damdred wrote:
Art what do you think about it all?
Onegu and Slamfish prob scum. Missing a third, could be Superbia or Breshke or something presuming SL shot Palmar.
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Damdred how sure are you that Fecal is town this game? Is it >95%?
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Because if Fecal is town and I think Ritoky is town because of Palmar/Rayn interactions and him insta rescinding the claim and seeming quite reasonable and all, and we presume SL is town because presumably he shot Palmar with the orb, that leaves Slam/Onegu/Breshke/Superbia for 3 scum. If I'm wrong on one of them we'd still have two lynches left.
+ Show Spoiler [math, 2ml then 2 correct lynches] +10v3 ml
9v3 shot
8v3 ml
7v3 shot
6v3 scumlynch
6v2 shot
5v2 scumlynch
5v1 shot
4v1
So even if we completely messed up and let one scum slip through into the "confirmed" town circle we'd at least have two days to find out.
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On March 25 2015 10:38 Onegu wrote:
I'm VT. You can lynch me if you want.
That can be arranged.
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On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 12:30 Eden1892 wrote:On March 25 2015 12:29 Superbia wrote:
Artanis. uh why lol All right. So Artanis' day 1 is actually really really bad, with the exception if rayn ever flips mafia (which I severely doubt at this point). He hard defends LS: Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 19 2015 22:54 Vivax wrote:On March 19 2015 22:52 LightningStrike wrote:I'm back and saw a answer from Toad on my question regarding him and Palmar in Hammertime when they both were town: On March 19 2015 12:20 Toadesstern wrote:On March 19 2015 12:10 LightningStrike wrote:On March 19 2015 12:00 Toadesstern wrote:On March 19 2015 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 19 2015 11:50 Toadesstern wrote:Like everyone's talking about how I'm playing different than I used to last games... no shit I got killed on first cycle like 4 times in a row and lost 4 games in a row now. Last game in particular I feel like I lost because I was trolling too much and didn't get enough out in time which ended in people not lynching Sandroba when he was 100% mafia on my sheet. I needed to be a lot more serious in that game early on and we could have won  Ya you kinda got lynched because Palmars tunneling you that's the thing in Hammertime. Also I can understand a little bit on why you thought you need to be more serious after JOAT but still it just odd playing with a already serious you. I mean if I get mafiaread for being different or more serious than I played in my last couple games there's nothing I can and will say about that other than my occasional banter about how that's not alignment indicative at all unless someone points out how different means scummy... because there's nothing I can say about it. I am playing differently (probably) With that being said, if that's what it's like I'll just ignore everything in that direction from now on and just focus on getting my reads out a little bit earlier than last game and making sure I get them out properly explained. Got angry about Palmar pulling the same shit he did in Hammertime when he should know better and talked myself into a wolf... won't happen again and this is the last post about it. Ya true about Palmar should know better on that but you seemed to taken it more personally o.o Are you still offended by Palmar's thing on you in Hammertime when you both were town? from JoaT: On March 03 2015 08:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Fear not guyses for I have yet again rolled neither mafia nor Ninja. Thus I will proceed to kill all those mafias and not be mislynched d1 despite being called fucking confirmed town 24-36hours into the game.
Let me check real quick if Palmar is in the game not really offended but annoyed. I thought he was town early on doing it on purpose to start some discussion or get some read from me based on how I'd react if he misreads me again like that, so yeah I got annoyed at the possible idea of having to deal with that again because he might make someone else agree with it... Right know I'm pretty sure he's mafia for keeping at it and knowing that it annoys me. Can some of the guys who think my tone is so awful and completly different this game please go ahead and at least compare that post above with my first post in here instead of just believing all this about how my tone is completly different? Props for nailing it on my seriousness though LS. Because yeah, that did change, just not the thing Palmar and HF mentioned. I don't a see a big tone difference on your entrance to this game compared to JOAT regarding Palmar and I wouldn't blame on you on that because as a Cohost in Hammertime I kinda felt bad and I shoulda warned him on his Kill Toad spam and I didn't if I recalled. Also rsoultin not wanting to give her read on me this early to Eden but I don't blame her because I rolled Mafia in JOAT when she was town and called me Town by meta and will have to bleed green this game. So I saw Palmar and Rayn going at each other and saw Artanis trying to stop it but I remember Artanis so townie in Imperial yet when he lynched Town!Palmar he basically looked pure Mafia (Scum if you prefer to use that term) so I might need to wait on reading him esp because he just rolled Mafia in Student VI which I was coaching the Cop and the Vet and the Cop caught him with a Cop check so ya I going to be careful reading him. Also he got a decent point about a chance that Palmar or Rayn are Mafia and the other town due to their interactions esp Palmar stuff early on about Toad and I not going to make the same mistake I did in Titanic and give a easy townread on Palmar Day 1. I also have yet to play with Mafia!Rayn so I might be a bit bias on him being town compared to Palmar so meh. @Artanis who is more likely to be Mafia between Palmar and Rayn and Why? @ExO Where you at on reads considering our past history with each other? Oh god this post is so mafia Have you played with LS before? This is how LS plays. He calls toad scum and by proxy, defends Palmar who toad is tunneling. Interestingly, at this very point Artanis had no read on Palmar! He was reading him null! Then, when the claim wars happen, he completely flips on toad, and goes hard after vivax. This is after toad was his hard mafia read. We are left with this list: Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Votes as I see them:
Vivax (5): Artanis[Xp], Damdred, LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern
LightningStrike (4): Bill Murray, FecalFeast, Vivax, Onegu
sicklucker (3): Superbia, Alakaslam, Breshke
Artanis[Xp] (2): VisceraEyes, Eden1892
raynpelikoneet (2): Holyflare, rsoultin
Toadesstern (2): Palmar, raynpelikoneet
Eden1892 (1): ExO
Not Voting (1): Trfel
Only having 1.7 scumread is problematic. Was hoping this'd help more. With the exception of possibly rayn, most of his reads are pretty shit. He leans town on two confirmed mafia (really bad) for seemingly no good reason whatsoever. Now this is where it gets scummy, with the whole claim thing. There's a wagon on Vivax and a wagon starts on BM. As the wagon starts, Art calls it "pure" but refuses to switch. He gets called out by you (Eden) and he gives a half-assed excuse later. He seems to strongly consider the world in which both vigis are real: Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 05:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think Superbia might possibly be right. Host WIFOM time.
I know HtS likes her vigis because she hates lurkers. It's therefore very likely there's at least 1 vigi in the setup. Since the playercount wasn't fixed until the end, I find it plausible that the end balance was made by adding an additional vigi.
I'm not sure if I find that more plausible than that Vivax simply tried to fakeclaim and failed though. Toad definitely town for the CC, I just don't ever see mafia making that play when it isn't necessary. But for a reason I don't share whatsoever, proceeds to call Vivax 100% scum anyway. Moreover, Artanis later finds the time to make a paint diagram on rayn's anger levels, a very peculiar thing to do in such a high-stress claim situation for town. He seems to consider his options during this claim war, but I sincerely doubt he actually did consider anything. In the end he is still reading Vivax as scum. Now it gets even weirder, we manage to get the wagon off of Vivax, and the night phase begins. For some reason, Artanis decides to town-read Vivax, before the night actions are even resolved. Then when the day begins (and KP is reduced), Artanis hard-reads Vivax town for his filter length, what!? My theory at this point is that scum put both an RB and KP on Vivax. I believe that both Artanis and Onegu are scum due to this. I believe Artanis was looking to set himself up to look good before Vivax flipped town, and that he needed to substantiate his read after it became obvious Vivax lived through the KP. By extension, I think that Onegu is scum because in this world Onegu is never the save. I think for a 3rd scum slam is still a good bet.
So I'm scum because I was wrong and because my reads are fluid. I see.
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It's funny because Geript actually called me out after the game of Imperial and said that I was obv mafia because my reads were so static.
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Also we should still lynch Onegu because I find it unexplainable why after getting a million blueclaims Onegu doesn't go "hey guys I'm not actually mason so you should be able to trust the other claims" when the very fact of all these blueclaims started to worry us.
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On March 25 2015 13:20 Superbia wrote:
I agree that hard defending LS doesn't directly imply mafia, and that scum-reading toad who's pushing on Palmar doesn't imply a soft-defense of Palmar, but I'm arguing that it could. And I'm arguing that it looks bad. That's not the core of my case though, it's just the salt and the pepper. The core of my case is the Vivax/Toad Counter Claim event, and the flip-floppiness of Artanis' hard scum reads:
1. Artanis calls toad (hard) mafia.
2. Counterclaim wars between Vivax and Toad.
3. Artanis is now convinced Vivax is hard mafia.
4. During night Vivax is all of a sudden townie to Artanis.
Like that's very, very roughly my argument.
1. I scumread Toad for how he went back to Palmar after no one triggered him to do so. After some talk with Toad I dropped my scumread, then when he disappeared I started suspecting him a bit again, then the CC came and it was obvious to me he was town because no scum goes for 1 for 1.
3. Vivax hadn't posted much until that point, claims vig and is cced. I already suspected him a lot, so yes, I would.
4. Because he kept posting a lot even after he didn't get lynched. I figured he might just be trying hard to secure that N1 shot, but he kept going. I'd already started to have some doubts during the time leading up to the lynch as he was getting more active but I figured having the situation resolved was key.
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I'm actually fine with Slam too. The way he's still playing yet says he wants to get lynched makes me feel he doesn't actually want to get lynched and is just trying to create doubt. Still don't see why Onegu would've kept up this charade as town though with all the claims and shit.
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On March 25 2015 20:37 Toadesstern wrote:
fucking Artanis stop ninja'ing me
Never. You're my rock of sanity in an insane game.
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Also I was on 14 pages at this time in Imperial.
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Please don't turn into Vivax.
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It seriously feels like this is some kind of bastard game where Vivax is slowly gaining control over all TL accounts and people lose their powers of rational thinking.
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On March 25 2015 22:47 Damdred wrote:
BTW Palmars filter heavily indicates to me at least that Oneg is not scum.
If Oneg is scum with scum Palmar why does Palmar draw so much light to the fact that oneg as mason is not possible. He also goes on to highlight how scummy all of it is and really seems to be Palmars preferred lynch during the night.
Every action Palmar takes when he is mafia is to do one of two things, the first is to secure a mislynch to further the goal of winning the game. Palmar always looks to bus secondly, and in fact he generally HATES bussing from my limited experience with him. Perhaps i'm going to far down the rabbit hole at this point, but I don't see scum palmar pushing on oneg during the night when oneg is scum and the orb kill power is still out there (especially since scum team know that they don't have the orb at this point). So why put scum oneg at jeporady in this situation when theres still a chance oneg could turn this around or claim mason with Palmar or someone like that and ride it till end game.
This sounds convulted, but I highly disagree that scum!Oneg would rock the boat like he did going after JK!Rsoultin like he did. Also horrible play to shoot one of the people town reading you at that point in the game in HF. I don't think Oneg has done anything overtly towny but everyone is trying to policy lynch him when mafia was just pushing for his lynch.
I don't like this push on oneg at all
I don't think Palmar draws that much light to Onegu at all. It's just one post where he comments on Onegu. It does feel fairly committing though.
On March 24 2015 20:15 Palmar wrote:This is more of a streaming writing thing, so I may disagree with myself in the same post. This is a bad post because it follows up a vote on Eden that wasn't for this reason. Although I'm not sure how serious he is. Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 17:13 Onegu wrote:
Anyway I haven't read the thread and my wife is going back to Thailand for a month in the morning.
Plz for the love of God everyone vote Eden or rsoultin. This spoiler shit needs to stop and then never happen again in future games.
Groot out. There's also a pattern of excuses in his posts, but again I'm not sure how relevant that is. Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 21:05 Onegu wrote:
Maybe I should read Rayn filter and give my soul read but meh. My partner says he is crummy, he is kinda passed at me but <3 Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 19:20 Onegu wrote:
Sorry I wasn't around for deadline would have voted Bill Murray. Will rng who I sheep at day post and let you all know. Will try to play Sunday and read some filters. For now.just letting my mason partner keep me kinda up to date. But yeah, I don't think there is very much interesting in Onegu's filter which is probably interesting by itself. The best point one way or the other is what I pointed out in the beginning because it combines the weird vote and post about something the vote wasn't for, and the fact that it's a post complaining about activities in the game (mafia do get mad at antics, because it's an easy thing to pick on). But he does have the mason claim. I actually kind of think it's a good idea at this point to force it out of him tomorrow because I'm not sure he's mason. How many claims do we have? Cop, Vigi, Vigi, Tracker, Mason, Mason? Seems a bit inflated.
But on the other hand, I can imagine that scum Palmar knows how bad scum Onegu is going to look when he unclaims and feels he has no choice but to bus. This is also one of the only times where Palmar really mentions Onegu. I also don't feel like it's likely for anyone to use the Orb on Onegu, because we were all awaiting his claim at EoN and Palmar knew that.
I dunno about Onegu's tendencies for going after near-confirmed townies like Rso. Would have to check.
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And I just realized I have no idea how to check that without spending a significant amount of time investigating who was generally considered town. Maybe if I just look at who gets NKed and see if scumnegu pushed that person that'd go fast.
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