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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 02:13 GMT
#6869
Does Palmar really never bus? I find that hard to believe. And unreliable, since eventually he's going to bus someone.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 06:19 GMT
#6890
My original reasons to scumread Onegu weren't terribly good.

I have a few other reasons at this time, but I'd like to see Onegu's answer to the question I posed a few pages back first. Then I will summarize the reasons to lynch Onegu, which I am honestly not sure are strong enough to merit lynching him at this time.

I have not yet taken a close look at Fecalfeast.

I need sleep. Good night.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 15:44 GMT
#7017
I already stated why I don't think that Onegu fake-claiming mason is something that is bad for mafia to do. Therefore, I am inclined to think that Onegu is scum for the following reasons:
  • At the start of Day 2, Onegu says that mafia wouldn't double stack due to the possibility of a medic. However, 23 minutes later, he says that rsoultin is mafia for making a weird save, when due to the large number of other claimed blues, the mafia would never have done a medic dodge.
  • Onegu's scumread on rsoultin doesn't make much sense. This read is conditional on one of the vigilantes being mafia. Onegu indirectly states that Toadesstern is mafia (through quoting one of raynpelikoneet's posts), but never really pushes Toadesstern at all. I would expect town to push Toadesstern first, and then rsoultin second (especially given that Toadesstern used his bullet, and rsoultin is claimed jailkeeper).
  • Onegu says that raynpelikoneet's tracker claim is genuine, but knows that raynpelikoneet always fake-claims. This is a weak point, though.
  • Apparently Onegu has a soul read on raynpelikoneet, so I can't really scumread him for fake-claiming mason with him, despite the large amount of confusion this caused. However, before the mason claim, Onegu never really defended raynpelikoneet, despite the pressure he was under. After the mason claim, Onegu didn't defend raynpelikoneet until significantly later. If Onegu was confident enough in raynpelikoneet being town, he should have defended him after raynpelikoneet stated that he was tracker, and not mason. If Onegu didn't think it was worth defending raynpelikoneet until later, when he actually did start defending him, then he should have claimed mason then instead. The disconnect between claiming mason with raynpelikoneet and actually defending him doesn't make sense to me.

However, I'm not sure if he will be back before the deadline. And with his son recently having gone through surgery, today is the very worst day to push him. Although objectively, I think he is the best lynch, I am not sure if pushing him today is the best idea.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 15:48 GMT
#7018
I still don't want to lynch Alakaslam.

My first impressions from the argument between Superbia and Artanis was that Artanis had better arguments, or at least stated them better. However, Superbia's determination struck me as being very towny and geniune, while I'm actually surprised that Artanis engaged Superbia as he did. Currently, I'm inclined to think that both are town. If possible, I would like another day to read these two players, though I suppose I could be convinced to lynch here today.

I guess Fecalfeast isn't a terrible lynch, I can see reasons for him being scum, but I can also see reasons for him being town. Namely, I can't expect every town player to keep scumhunting at the same level with the lynch sealed almost 48 hours in advance, especially with the thread moving at this pace.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 15:50 GMT
#7020
On March 27 2015 00:48 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 09:40 Trfel wrote:
On March 23 2015 13:36 Onegu wrote:
On March 23 2015 13:31 Toadesstern wrote:
not to mention that the whole thing required rsoultin and me to be mafia together and both fakeclaim blue and ... just hope that there's no real jailer?

But hey, rayn's tracker claim is totally legit




I think it is. Rayn claim that is.

Plus with all the blue claims already why not fake claim. Like if mafia has like 4 goons they know.it's a low PR game and with multiple claims.already...
Onegu, can you clarify the bolded please?



I thought Rayn was tracker
I suppose that makes the third point of my mini-case significantly stronger.

Onegu, if you're town, please explain to me where I am wrong in reading you.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 15:53 GMT
#7023
I need to head out now. I'll check in when I can, but I might not be back until a couple of hours before the deadline. I'm sorry about that. But my reads aren't the best, and I'm not terribly familiar with this game, so it's probably better that I'm not the person leading town anyway.

Want to lynch:

Onegu
ritoky

Could lynch:

Fecalfeast
Superbia
Artanis (meh)
Alakaslam
Breshke (though I haven't read his filter at all)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 15:56 GMT
#7024
On March 27 2015 00:51 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2015 00:35 Superbia wrote:
One of the problems I (and many others) had with Slam is that he started off this game very serious after having a very loose and "chupazi" pregame. I also know that this would be his 3rd (?) mafia in a row, after the previous game hosted by HtS (where he rolled mafia for the second time after a reroll). I don't honestly know why Slam has felt so bitter this game, it kind of makes me feel bad if I read him scum (which I think he very well could be).

thing is, he has stated multiple times that he wants to get lynched and wants to give up and yet has come back in the thread posting like he doesn't give a fuck about what people are saying about him. Especially in the conversation he had.

He doesn't strike me as someone who fakes emotions as mafia at all. If he's angry he's angry. Getting a sack of sleep and comming back rejuvenated to some degree that he can just do his thing without caring all too much actually makes sense.
Superbia, compare this to Down Under 2. It's very different.

There, Alakaslam asked for a case on him, and never defended himself, just vanished.

Here, Alakaslam is yelling and arguing constantly (not in a way that logically defends him, but still, he's arguing). I don't think he would do this as scum, while he's listed in a scumlist in which everyone is set to be lynched. If he is scum, he would either concede (if no one in his team is in the town list) or let himself die (if someone from his team is in the town list). I don't see Alakaslam arguing like this.

And once again, I state that Alakaslam's decision to play serious in this game is most likely a direct result of Onegu using a mathematical formula based on the number of times he says chupazi, svengali, and hijole to read him.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 16:11 GMT
#7029
No thoughts on what I posted about Onegu?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 16:14 GMT
#7031
On March 27 2015 01:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2015 01:11 Trfel wrote:
No thoughts on what I posted about Onegu?

I'm playing poker, saw Onegu post something and figured I could reply to it quickly. Will look into it after.
Yeah, that's fine.

I suppose it also makes sense to let Onegu reply first.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 16:23 GMT
#7036
On March 27 2015 01:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also, why do you still want to lynch Ritoky? Rayn/Palmar interactions suggest Rayn is probably town as well as Rayn/Onegu being unlikely due to Onegu claiming mason with Rayn which Rayn then refused.
I'm still not really sold on the whole "Palmar said he's scum, so he's town" thing. And I think it's reasonable that both Onegu and raynpelikoneet were mafia together. I can see Onegu doing something without asking first (I can't verify Onegu saying that he never would), and I can see raynpelikoneet checking the thread before the scum qt.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 16:24 GMT
#7038
On March 27 2015 01:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Actually you explained it at the top of the page, nvm.

I just have trouble imagining a scumteam that doesn't involve slam simply through poe.
And I'm thinking that some of your townreads are a bit weak. The Onegu one being a prime example (unless there is more behind it that you didn't state).

That's actually why I've been told to not use POE, because it can lead to weak townreads.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 16:25 GMT
#7039
On March 27 2015 01:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also, Trfel, why is Damdred off the table for you but I'm still on it? I understand if you're going the full skeptical way but putting me below Damdred at this point when he hasn't really done much in recent times is questionable.
You're not really on the table. But it's more like, there are two people here who want to lynch you (Vivax and Superbia), and there is no one actively pushing for Damdred at this time. So I don't really see Damdred getting lynched today, regardless.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 17:03 GMT
#7054
The way that Palmar scumread raynpelikoneet here feels accidental.
On March 19 2015 18:52 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
let's talk in code words and only explain it in our mason qt Palmar?

It seems wise to take this conversation somewhere private where other people can't hear.
Palmar initially treats raynpelikoneet just fine, no suspicion voiced at all.
On March 19 2015 20:20 Palmar wrote:
Same with rayn, rayn hasn't been a dick to me this game which could mean he's mafia.
This is the first time that Palmar shows suspicion of raynpelikoneet. He's mostly joking.
On March 19 2015 20:31 Palmar wrote:
##unvote
##vote rayn


:D
His vote never made it to the voting thread, clearly joking.
On March 19 2015 20:41 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 20:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Please Palmar explain this.

You call me probably mafia for "not being dick to you". I answer that i am never dick towards you when i am town, and that it's your job to do that to me if you are scum (yes, that's what my post says and don't you even dare to say you don't understand that). You respond with some smartass comment (which in fact IS being dick towards me) and proceed on calling me mafia.

So again, can you show me a game where i am being a dick towards you when i am town Palmar? A game where i start it. I know there are a lot of games where i lose my cool when YOU do this kinda stuff, but that's not relevant.

I vaguely suggested you may be mafia based on one parameter that by definition isn't even that good. My post didn't even imply that I actually think you are mafia.

The fact you've taken that way out of context and basically treat it as me considering you guaranteed scum is an overreaction of the highest order.
Emphasis mine.

Then, Holyflare and Artanis vote for raynpelikoneet. And Palmar reacts as follows:
On March 19 2015 22:46 Palmar wrote:
Is it okay that I scumread rayn for being a dick to me when I previously scumread him for not being a dick to me?
And still doesn't vote for raynpelikoneet. Why does he change what he already stated was a joke into a scumread as soon as it picks up momentum? And still not actually vote with it?

I don't see how this makes raynpelikoneet town.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 17:06 GMT
#7055
I would highly prefer to not lynch Alakaslam.

I'll hold off on voting until I get some more feedback regarding lynches on Onegu and ritoky, but those are my preferred lynches. I suppose if neither of those are accepted, Fecalfeast or Alakaslam could do.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 17:14 GMT
#7061
On March 27 2015 02:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I've read your reasons for wanting to lynch Onegu, but I've only heard you counter arguments to townread Ritoky. What makes you scumread him to the same level as you do on Onegu?
I need to eat lunch, and then I might be gone for some time. Sorry.

The reasons I scumread ritoky are as follows:
  • Whatever the reasons are that people scumread raynpelikoneet (this is the part of the game I didn't actually read, it seems to be his overreaction to Palmar's joke, in which case I would need to check raynpelikoneet's town and scum reactions to getting prodded early in the game)
  • Making a tracker claim, typing /unconfirm (spelled incorrectly), and then re-claiming tracker, and then ritoky claims VT, thereby causing massive confusion for town
  • Raynpelikoneet didn't do much all game long, and most of his actions can only be explained (from a town perspective) as being carried away with anger
  • Ritoky is willing to give everything he has to playing as mafia, and his scum game is hard to catch, and he hasn't done anything this game that he is incapable of as scum
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 17:37 GMT
#7075
And he just clarified that he thought raynpelikoneet really was the tracker...

##vote Onegu

For now, at least.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 17:39 GMT
#7080
On March 27 2015 02:39 Onegu wrote:
Jeez I already talked about this. trfel how the fuck are you scum reading me without even reading my filter?
I read your filter. And I'm scumreading you anyway.

I'll be back in a few hours. Convince me.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 21:02 GMT
#7228
LOL VIVAX
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 21:07 GMT
#7232
Wait, I voted for Vivax?

Whoops. Meant to vote for Superbia.

##unvote
##vote Superbia
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 26 2015 21:12 GMT
#7240
I mean, I would rather lynch Onegu or ritoky. But it doesn't appear that I have that option.

Might as well make it look like town is united so that scum is scared.
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