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On March 22 2015 00:41 Holyflare wrote: buddy in a normal game if someone claims blue and someone else cc's them who do you believe? Well I asked Trfel what he would think if he claimed blue and then somebody CCd him. He said "I don't know", obviously cause his argumentation was that I'm scum for scumreading Toad who I scumread ever since he whined about Palmar at start of D1. Just read it really. When the obvious answer is that if I get CCd my own role I will first think the other guy is scum. | ||
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On March 22 2015 00:43 Holyflare wrote: but i don't know why you're twisting your original reason of him thinking there were 2 town vigis and then suddenly not to this ^^^ This guy claimed he thinks two town vigis are likely and cause I don't believed the same from the start and pushed Toad initially I was scum. So there wasn't even a point in claiming he was soooo unsure about the existence of multiple vigs when he decided he would scumread me anyway based on the flimsy argument. | ||
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On March 22 2015 00:11 Trfel wrote: Hm? It's not good, I already explained why it's not good, before he posted...... Yes, I was (and still am) open to the possibility of two vigilantes. Yes, I wasn't wanting to lynch Vivax earlier. However, after Toadesstern counterclaimed, Vivax's play was extremely weird. He jumped around without logic, and his play was riddled with inconsistency. This is rather obvious. Because of this, and because I don't think the vigilante problem will resolve itself at night, I decided that lynching Vivax wasn't bad. This was completely unrelated to my willingness to accept the possibility of multiple vigilantes. I tried to look for alternative lynches, however without having actually read the thread, that was difficult. And no one wanted to talk about alternative lynches at all, at least until Holyflare came. This is generic bullshit about inconsistency and illogical play. You voted for me before asking me out about the inconsistency so it can't have existed previously but now you bring it up. The inconsistency was that I reconsidered on the 2 x vig version? Well, you decided I was scum before, and tried to push me more afterwards. You claimed my push on Toad was illogical when I kept posting about him through almost the entire day. | ||
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On March 22 2015 01:03 Trfel wrote: Vivax, let's assume that we are both town, and that I made a really bad play. I've made bad plays before. So, now you want to shoot me, because I made an error and wanted to lynch you. Despite a bunch of other people who think I am town. If you really are town, you shouldn't be using your vigilante bullet for personal grudges. You are experienced, you know very well that people are wrong a whole lot in mafia. You can shoot me here, but that won't gain you anything other than getting rid of someone who wanted to lynch you. And it will lose you your chance to kill mafia, and it will remove one more town from the game. Why aren't you scumreading me any more? | ||
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Why didn't you update your scumreads during the night and only show up when somebody points a gun at you? | ||
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On March 22 2015 01:21 Trfel wrote: As I said, I tried to look for alternative wagons by asking people for summaries of the wagons. I specifically remember asking about sicklucker and LightningStrike. But no one was interested at all, no one responded, so I let that drop. I've read the first 40 pages of the game carefully. I read from some page before the claims through the lynch, and I've read the last few pages. I've glanced through a few filters and cases that people said were important. I did what I thought was best with the information I had. Being well over 50 pages down when the lynch was happening, I thought it would be better to get summaries from other players and reread key parts of the game than trying to read the entire game or just reading filters and making my decisions 100% on my own (no context that way). I do want to go read the game, but if I get shot, there isn't much point of that. If town!Vivax shoots me, that would be extremely bad for town, so unfortunately that takes precedence over trying to read the game. If Vivax agrees not to shoot me, the first thing I will do is stop posting and go read the game properly. I don't have any reads on anyone at the moment, it would be premature for me to do so until I read the entire game, and then reread several filters more carefully. + Show Spoiler [If you must have reads...] + Here's what I'm thinking right now, though again, my reads are quite likely to change once I get some more time. I still lean mafia on Vivax, although it seems that his actions post-lynch were townie, and I haven't read that part of the game. Artanis[Xp] switched to townread on Vivax, so that indicates that Vivax is probably town, even though I don't know why and my own, limited read says he is mafia. I'm still skeptical of raynpelikoneet. Not sold on the tracker claim, not sold on his level of play. It seems noticeably below his play in Mini Mafia Down Under 1. But the night actions ought to help with raynpelikoneet. I'm somewhat suspicious of Holyflare as well. I like how he was very aggressive to start wagons, notably his early pushes on Alakaslam and sicklucker. However, I don't think the sicklucker push was terribly alignment indicative (of sicklucker), and the Alakaslam push boiled down to a few misunderstandings (as both Holyflare and Alakaslam later realized). In addition, Holyflare is aggressive as mafia as well (Linux Mafia). The one strange thing about Holyflare is his push onto Bill Murray. That was a pretty bad push. In a critical stage of the game (two claimed vigilantes up for lynch), Holyflare made a (self admitted) terrible push against a fairly inactive player. And now he blames it on being drunk. Were it not for the Bill Murray push, I would put Holyflare as town, but now I'm not so sure.... I'm typing this without even having finished to read the post cause I feel outraged when you say you wanted to talk about SL and LS. THat's bullshit. I had them both as scum previously and you had plenty of chance to take some degree of influence on the game and discuss it with me or with anyone else. Instead your SL read doesn't get mentioned at EoD and you only choose between claims. You said Damdred's case was exaggerated when it was exactly the case that made me become the majority wagon in place of SL and LS who you claim were your scumreads, and yet I end up being your scumread. This doesn't make the slightiest sense. You NEVER pushed for a SL or LS lynch like I did. LS jumped on me after the Damdred case you found exaggerated and you didn't bat an eyelid on it, there's no mention of that opportunistic switch. Instead when it's between me and LS you don't claim a preference, you post this: On March 21 2015 04:36 Trfel wrote: Sorry, real life jumped up and got frustrating.... Based on the voting, it seems that Vivax and LightningStrike are most likely to be lynched. Are there any other commonly accepted lynch targets? Damdred wrote a case on Vivax, so I will go read that. Whose filter should I read to see the LightningStrike case? Thanks. This reads like kush when he's mafia. Completely apathetic and doesn't reflect at all the opinions you gave on LS and Damdred's case on me. You passively acknowledge the existence of two wagons. And your next conclusion is? On March 21 2015 05:04 Trfel wrote: Well...... ##vote raynpelikoneet for now. I wasn't really liking a Vivax lynch anyway (based on the first 4 pages of Vivax's filter and Damdred's case). Raynpelikoneet's filter feels weaker. | ||
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If Vivax agrees not to shoot me, the first thing I will do is stop posting and go read the game properly. The other way around please. Wtf??? Why should I show any understanding for a guy who almost lynched me and then says "lol didn't read". | ||
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Are there any other commonly accepted lynch targets? Are there any other commonly accepted lynch targets? Are there any other commonly accepted lynch targets? lol | ||
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On March 22 2015 01:45 Trfel wrote: Bill Murray had a fairly small filter and inactivity excuses. But at the same time, many of his posts showed analysis and scumhunting. You decided to push him for not being extremely crazy and for being away for large portions of time. This is based on years-old meta, and so I don't think it is a good push. Basically a policy lynch. I'm not thinking that it's suspicious that you searched for an alternative wagon, just that you decided to lynch Bill Murray for the reasons you did. Had you pushed for sicklucker or someone with more reasons that they could be scum, I wouldn't have minded in the slightest. So apparently rayn insta townread when he claims tracker but you have reasons to suspect the unccd masons? | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:13 ExO_ wrote: He'a not mafia vig. He just slipped. There is no mafia vig. He is mafia however, he has to be While the point looks good on its own, Eden, when I read his filter and step on this I think he's town for believing this. | ||
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On March 22 2015 02:34 Eden1892 wrote: can you elaborate on this? that makes the thing I found even more damning to me lol "why are you so sure vivax is mafia toad? stop tunneling he's not confirmed" "no vivax isn't mafia vig, but vivax IS mafia" Well it looks like he wasn't sure about me being mafia before he found the perceived slip, and thinking that what I said was a slip when I simply forgot about a mafia vig being in the game is so dumb it's townie. | ||
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On March 22 2015 03:58 rsoultin wrote: thanks for the translation dude i called truffle out within like...5 posts in his scum game he's a super slow burner...but the way he's approached the game while he's in-thread is just classic, cautious, naysayer everything has to be logical truffle like y'all hold him to this weird-ass standard because of carol when he didn't even play day 1? he's slow and unlike lightningstrike, i don't give him easy townreads lol >< The Trfel I coached spat out townie bricks from D1 on, then in Carol he had a change of style that didn't stop me from reading him town when he actually posted stuff that makes sense. This Trfel doesn't make sense. | ||
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