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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 11:11 GMT
#3491
Who is scum, who to shoot etc.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 11:16 GMT
#3493
Give me some reasons or I might just shoot Trfel for being so mafia

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 21 2015 05:10 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 05:07 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:04 Trfel wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:03 Vivax wrote:
Ok now that enough mafia or idiots are piled up on me I hardclaim Drax.
Well......

##vote raynpelikoneet for now. I wasn't really liking a Vivax lynch anyway (based on the first 4 pages of Vivax's filter and Damdred's casae). Raynpelikoneet's filter feels weaker.

get back on Vivax. Nothing about this claim should make you unvote
I'm not saying that it makes Vivax 100% town. It doesn't. But it definitely makes me hesitant to lynch him today.

The chances are fairly good that we do have a vigilante. Vivax is leaving himself wide open to counterclaims here.

In addition, while (until he started being wagoned) Vivax wasn't very active, his filter seemed aggressive enough to me, and Damdred's case felt exaggerated. The primary point being that it appeared like Vivax really did push Superbia, it's just that he was unable to get many others to agree with him. And yes, eventually he dropped it, as one would expect someone to do when no one else agrees.


On March 21 2015 05:23 Trfel wrote:
My head hurts.........

I don't see mafia!Toadesstern claiming vigilante here to secure a lynch on Vivax. That seems like a bad play, with the potential exception being if raynpelikoneet is mafia (but raynpelikoneet already claimed tracker, so I don't think Toadesstern's counterclaim vigilante would be necessary). Thus, I believe Toadesstern's claim.

The question then becomes if Vivax should be lynched. I do think it is possible to have two vigilantes in this game, somewhat unlikely, but very possible. Half the Sky does like vigilantes.


The bolded in above post doesn't even make any sense.

On March 21 2015 05:26 Trfel wrote:
I wasn't scumreading Vivax before this claimfest started.

I agree with Superbia that there is a very real chance that both Vivax and Toadesstern are town. Though Vivax could still be a good lynch today, maybe.


On March 21 2015 05:29 Trfel wrote:
Look, we are absolutely not lynching Toadesstern today. You don't need to read the thread to see this.

I need to leave basically right now, I hope I'll get back for EOD.

I'm looking at Vivax and raynpelikoneet for the lynch. For now, I think Vivax.

Reason being how stubbornly he's attacking Toadesstern instead of taking a step back and realizing that his counterclaim means he is probably town. Though I could see a desperate, tunneling town doing this as well.

##vote Vivax

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 11:26 GMT
#3494
Ok, for dummies:


Trfel is mafia cause he brings up the possibility of two town vigs being in the game, doesn't scumread me for my play, but scumreads me cause he concludes that Toad's claim makes him town, and also cause I don't entertain the notion that two vigs can be in the game.

Get it?

"Two town vigs are possible"
"I think Toad is the vig, hence Vivax scum"

That was Trfel.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 11:32 GMT
#3495
To make it REALLY sit in your heads, I'll rephrase it again:

what he said was

1. Vivax isn't scum and Damdred's case was exaggerated. Believe claim.
Toad CCs
2. Two vigs are very possible in the game.
3. Toad wouldn't CC as scum so the claim is real
4. Superbia is right that two vigs are possible but Vivax could be a good lynch
5. I will vote Vivax cause he still attacks Toad, but townies could do it too.
6. Vivax mafia cause he said there can be multiple vigis

As you see he jumped on the wagon after TRing me, and he did that right after arguing that Toad's claim is legit.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 11:33 GMT
#3496
So, Toad can do whatever the hell he wants, I'm either shooting Trfel or withholding my shot so I get to keep my bullet when they have to RB me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 11:45 GMT
#3498
He also acknowledged LS was a lynch option but didn't give a read on him.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 11:48 GMT
#3499
If by some miracle Toad uses his brain and not his pride and I'm still alive tomorrow, I'm pushing Trfel til one of us dies.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 11:59 GMT
#3502
I called that out myself cause you already had explained why BM. LS is full of questions that are pointless and lead to nowhere.

And yes I coached Trfel and he's supposed to be a good town.
But he's not town this game.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 12:47 GMT
#3514
On March 21 2015 21:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I woke up. Holyflare it's because I was townreading Bill despite his short filter but I liked some of his stuff esp his questions towards Eden when he was here. The fact that you were so certain he was scum kinda reminds me of our time in Carol when you thought 27ninjabunnies was Mafia when she was a Miller that game and was lackluster after that lynch. Also when I said it had be 1 at least 1 of you 3 being Mafia you don't look as bad as Rayn and Palmar esp because of their switches to BM esp they weren't giving much reasons to switch.


You're afraid to call HF scum.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 12:51 GMT
#3515
So if Palmar and rayn look equally bad to you, what you're going to do about it LS?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 13:05 GMT
#3522
Rsoultin, Trel's reasoning isn't townie, as displayed. He townreads me , then TRs Toad, then finds some random reason to go for me when he was assuming that two town vigs are possible anyway, and the reason was that I wasn't thinking this at the beginning.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 13:06 GMT
#3523
And when I actually started thinking that he used it as a reason for me being scum as well, damned if I do and damned if I don't. All his reasons he TRd me for stopped mattering at that point.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 13:06 GMT
#3524
Like do what you want I'm shooting Trfel and flipping a coin between shooting and not shooting cause I expect to be RBd when scum assumes im shooting him.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 13:40 GMT
#3534
Exo might be mafia after all
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 13:49 GMT
#3540
LS who are your scumreads atm? Palmar and rayn and?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 13:59 GMT
#3543
On March 21 2015 22:54 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 22:49 Vivax wrote:
LS who are your scumreads atm? Palmar and rayn and?

Those are my 100% based on the switches there maybe a 1% chance that Holyflare is Mafia with Onegu even though they claimed Mason but that would be dumb for them to claim Mason so early. Rsoultin said that ExO could be potental Mafia and so did you but I never played with Mafia!ExO yet so I can be wong on ExO's alignment (Shrugs).


You are 100 % sure that Palmar and rayn are scum?

And the other 3? What about me?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 14:26 GMT
#3544
what a boring night
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 15:06 GMT
#3558
On March 21 2015 23:47 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 22:59 Vivax wrote:
On March 21 2015 22:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 21 2015 22:49 Vivax wrote:
LS who are your scumreads atm? Palmar and rayn and?

Those are my 100% based on the switches there maybe a 1% chance that Holyflare is Mafia with Onegu even though they claimed Mason but that would be dumb for them to claim Mason so early. Rsoultin said that ExO could be potental Mafia and so did you but I never played with Mafia!ExO yet so I can be wong on ExO's alignment (Shrugs).


You are 100 % sure that Palmar and rayn are scum?

And the other 3? What about me?

100% one of them is Mafia based on switches alone in my mind at least. HF and Onegu is like 1% Mafia but they were under no pressure to claim Mason. Rayn is the unCCed Tracker idk why he claimed at the time he did but he is the unCCed Tracker.


You still didn't say what you think about me now, cause that's important given that I don't know why you see the switching as scummy. Is it scummy to switch from town to town or from mafia to town?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 15:37 GMT
#3565
No I don't understand it your reasoning for picking one over the other is bs
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
March 21 2015 15:40 GMT
#3568
You literally TR me then decide Toad has to be town then that I have to be scum, in a timing where it was possible for you to pick one over the other.

You threw all your reasoning away you presented previously to hop on my convenient wagon.
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