On March 25 2015 08:12 Eden1892 wrote:
Help me out Trfel because:

(1) You claimed after night actions were finalized thereby preventing you from being able to take a bullet by fakeclaiming
(2) No other explanation makes sense from a town role to me
(3) No explanation makes sense at all from a mafia role to me

?????????

Haha, it's a joke XD

Does that make sense?

Trfel

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March 24 2015 23:15 GMT

#6286

I am not Onegu's mason partner.

Trfel

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March 24 2015 23:40 GMT

#6316

On March 25 2015 08:13 Eden1892 wrote:
ok, refer to my big blue message in my legacy post then

Wait, Eden, what's with this?

How could my post possibly have had a negative impact on the game?

Trfel

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March 24 2015 23:43 GMT

#6325

Two dead mafia, both flipped goon....

Does this cast more doubt on our "sea of blue" theory?

Trfel

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March 25 2015 03:16 GMT

#6417

Anyone want to chat for a bit?

Trfel

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March 25 2015 03:17 GMT

#6418

Oh and also, since it's basically confirmed that sicklucker used the orb to shoot Palmar.

Good shot sicklucker! Nicely done.

Trfel

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March 25 2015 03:20 GMT

#6421

+ Show Spoiler [Eden] +

Eden, I have a challenge for you. You need to read my mind.

Reread my filter a little more carefully (particularly the parts in Day 1). Then share your thoughts.

If you don't want to, I understand, but it would be great if you could.

Trfel

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March 25 2015 03:29 GMT

#6435

I'm sorry, I'm slightly disconnected with this game. I'd like to place the players in this game in categories.

Everyone believes these people are town

Eden1892
Vivax
Toadesstern
sicklucker (pending Orb claim)

Generally accepted as town

Artanis[Xp]
Damdred
Fecalfeast
ritoky
Trfel

Other

Alakaslam
Breshke
Onegu
Superbia

Is this a fair assessment?

Trfel

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March 25 2015 03:45 GMT

#6445

Ok Eden. I'll try one more time.

Read it again and imagine you're mafia.

Trfel

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March 25 2015 03:46 GMT

#6447

On March 25 2015 12:44 Damdred wrote:
Also btw I don't think scum oneg goes crazy on rso for saving him instead of hf. I think scum oneg would ride and die with that cred instead of calling RS out

It's not really credit if the roleblock potentially incriminates him....

Trfel

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March 25 2015 03:48 GMT

#6450

On March 25 2015 12:47 Eden1892 wrote:

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like me specifically mafia or as a generic mafioso reading

It doesn't matter. Just, the mindset of mafia who is actually trying, not the afk mafia.

Trfel

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March 25 2015 03:53 GMT

#6454

But if Onegu is town, he knows that rsoultin just saved him. That or one of the vigilantes is lying.

If Onegu wasn't scumreading both of the vigilantes, this seems rather disconnected and suspicious.

Trfel

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March 25 2015 03:53 GMT

#6456

On March 25 2015 12:52 Eden1892 wrote:
i feel like i'd scumread you early for self-vote / not having a lot of reads / asking about #s of scumteam

but once you started posting for real idt it would be worth to try to push you too hard and i'd probably just glide with the emerging townreads on you and move to something else

i also don't think i would be reading that carefully even if i tried hard lol

i'm not really getting to what you're looking for, am i

Nope, you completely missed the point.

Oh well, it was worth a try. Thanks for humoring me.

Trfel

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March 25 2015 03:55 GMT

#6458

Eden. Here's one more question, don't answer me, but last try.

What does rsoultin say her best quality (as scum) is?

Trfel

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March 25 2015 03:57 GMT

#6460

On March 25 2015 12:53 Damdred wrote:
Like seriously tell me why scum oneg rocks the voat and foes full on one of the hardest read town people I. The thread?

I think he could do this.

He's taking a unique stance. However, this stance has no negative ramification on himself. Rsoultin, despite having a massive filter, wasn't all that aggressive with pushing her reads, thus she wasn't going to tunnel Onegu into oblivion here.

He would never get rsoultin lynched, or cast doubt, but he's taking a unique stance with little downside.

Trfel

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March 25 2015 04:07 GMT

#6468

Sorry Eden, can't say. Otherwise I would have said already.

Superbia, that actually looks really good. But I have a few problems with it.

Some of the quotes are out of context. I'll check that tomorrow. That could have a huge effect.

I felt exactly the same way as Artanis did through the claims and Night 1 (and I'm town). However, Artanis is better than me, so it's fair to expect more from him. (obligatory sorry Vivax!)

At this point I don't think I can townread Artanis purely for filter length. I think it's very possible that Artanis is improving his scum play, and isn't giving up any more. The fact that he didn't give up in Student Mafia VI (when he insisted he would give up his next scum game after Imperial immediately) until he got sick hints at this. As for the significant posting increase, it's this game. This game is extremely conversational, and everyone has massive filters in it.

I don't know. I could go for this, but if Artanis is town, I don't want to mislynch him (because I want him around). I need to double check this carefully, but probably not tonight.

Trfel

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March 25 2015 04:13 GMT

#6474

On March 25 2015 13:08 Superbia wrote:
Which quotes are out of context?

The pre-claimfest quotes (before his wagon analysis).

I mean, Artanis didn't do anything that I can't see from a town perspective. Rsoultin and I combined made all of the same errors (and many, many more).

The main problem is, what would make Artanis post this much? The Palmar flip sheds some light on this, I suppose.

Trfel

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March 25 2015 04:20 GMT

#6480

On March 25 2015 13:16 Superbia wrote:

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Like yeah, that's what made me pay attention to his filter. Like town can be wrong on people, but it's important to look at shit post-flip, and he was mafia siding pretty hard d1.

Also he has posted a lot, but I really feel like he has contributed very little, especially given his filter length. Just feels like he wants to look townie.

Yeah, I kind of get the same impression.

Artanis is a great conversational player, of course he thrives in a conversational game like this one. In fact, that's one reason to keep him alive, I enjoy having him around. In this game, with Palmar as scumbuddy, if there was ever a game where mafia!Artanis would post this much, this would be it.

His confirmed town list is suspicious. Buddying, a great excuse to sneak a mafia in, and an excuse to partially avoid scumhunting.

I don't think he's done many original pushes.

And now, as you pointed out, he was heavily mafia siding.

I have one or two potential good town explanations for this, but I'll keep to myself for now.

You know, I'll go with this for now. Definitely could move off, though. Looking forward to Artanis's response.
##vote Artanis[Xp]

Trfel

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March 25 2015 04:24 GMT

#6485

Do note that I think Artanis always uses fluid reads. And he's perfectly happy to base his strongest reads off of a single event (such as switching Toadesstern from scum to guaranteed town based on counterclaiming vigilante). I can see this from town!Artanis[Xp].

Urgh, I'll leave my vote on Alakaslam for now. I shouldn't vote before I check this in detail. Am I scum for waffling? XD