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On March 22 2015 01:00 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 00:54 Vivax wrote:On March 22 2015 00:11 Trfel wrote:On March 21 2015 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Vivax catch on Trfel so good. Hm? It's not good, I already explained why it's not good, before he posted...... On March 21 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:
Vivax, I wasn't wanting to lynch you before the claimfest began. It was Toadesstern's counterclaim and your play after that that made me want to lynch you. Yes, I was (and still am) open to the possibility of two vigilantes. Yes, I wasn't wanting to lynch Vivax earlier. However, after Toadesstern counterclaimed, Vivax's play was extremely weird. He jumped around without logic, and his play was riddled with inconsistency. This is rather obvious. Because of this, and because I don't think the vigilante problem will resolve itself at night, I decided that lynching Vivax wasn't bad. This was completely unrelated to my willingness to accept the possibility of multiple vigilantes. I tried to look for alternative lynches, however without having actually read the thread, that was difficult. And no one wanted to talk about alternative lynches at all, at least until Holyflare came. This is generic bullshit about inconsistency and illogical play. You voted for me before asking me out about the inconsistency so it can't have existed previously but now you bring it up. The inconsistency was that I reconsidered on the 2 x vig version? Well, you decided I was scum before, and tried to push me more afterwards. You claimed my push on Toad was illogical when I kept posting about him through almost the entire day. Yes, I voted for you before you elaborated on the multiple vigilante possibility. I referred to the reasons I ultimately voted you, not initially. I think that's where this whole confusion starts from.... Much of the reason I voted for you initially was because I needed to have my vote somewhere (the deadline was getting close). With Toadesstern's counterclaim, I felt you were the best choice at that time. I tried to search for alternative wagons, however without me having read the game, and no one else being willing to discuss alternatives, that wasn't really possible. Your actions were rather scummy, and so I kept my vote on you. I don't understand what exactly you are scumreading me for.
"Much of the reason I voted for you initially was because I needed to have my vote somewhere"
"I felt you were the best choice at that time."
"I tried to search for alternative wagons"
" Your actions were rather scummy, and so I kept my vote on you."
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On March 22 2015 01:02 Alakaslam wrote:
What's up rayn
nothing much just came from sauna.
game's pretty funny and easy.
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On March 22 2015 01:04 Alakaslam wrote:
Dude that's actually a really good idea. I may go to a sauna after work today.
What's easy? Wanna catch me up in a post?
Mafia is:
Toadesstern
Lightningstrike
Superbia
Trfel
one of Artanis / rsoultin.
read my post which will come later on today for reasoning, or my filter.
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On March 22 2015 01:09 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2015 01:00 Trfel wrote:On March 22 2015 00:54 Vivax wrote:On March 22 2015 00:11 Trfel wrote:On March 21 2015 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Vivax catch on Trfel so good. Hm? It's not good, I already explained why it's not good, before he posted...... On March 21 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:
Vivax, I wasn't wanting to lynch you before the claimfest began. It was Toadesstern's counterclaim and your play after that that made me want to lynch you. Yes, I was (and still am) open to the possibility of two vigilantes. Yes, I wasn't wanting to lynch Vivax earlier. However, after Toadesstern counterclaimed, Vivax's play was extremely weird. He jumped around without logic, and his play was riddled with inconsistency. This is rather obvious. Because of this, and because I don't think the vigilante problem will resolve itself at night, I decided that lynching Vivax wasn't bad. This was completely unrelated to my willingness to accept the possibility of multiple vigilantes. I tried to look for alternative lynches, however without having actually read the thread, that was difficult. And no one wanted to talk about alternative lynches at all, at least until Holyflare came. This is generic bullshit about inconsistency and illogical play. You voted for me before asking me out about the inconsistency so it can't have existed previously but now you bring it up. The inconsistency was that I reconsidered on the 2 x vig version? Well, you decided I was scum before, and tried to push me more afterwards. You claimed my push on Toad was illogical when I kept posting about him through almost the entire day. Yes, I voted for you before you elaborated on the multiple vigilante possibility. I referred to the reasons I ultimately voted you, not initially. I think that's where this whole confusion starts from.... Much of the reason I voted for you initially was because I needed to have my vote somewhere (the deadline was getting close). With Toadesstern's counterclaim, I felt you were the best choice at that time. I tried to search for alternative wagons, however without me having read the game, and no one else being willing to discuss alternatives, that wasn't really possible. Your actions were rather scummy, and so I kept my vote on you. I don't understand what exactly you are scumreading me for. "Much of the reason I voted for you initially was because I needed to have my vote somewhere" "I felt you were the best choice at that time." "I tried to search for alternative wagons" " Your actions were rather scummy, and so I kept my vote on you." Look, it's not the best vote progression. But from someone who didn't read the game? 1. Vivax was counterclaimed, thus I vote for Vivax. While recognizing the possibility of multiple vigilantes, there is also a very distinct possibility that there is only one. In addition, some experienced players (specifically Vivax and Toadesstern themselves) were very convinced that there was only one vigilante. Vivax was very stubborn towards Toadesstern, and this played a reasonable role in my initial decision to vote for Vivax. 2. I searched for alternative wagons to Vivax and Toadesstern. This is exactly what a townie would do? And what a townie did? 3. Vivax continued to be stubborn and inconsistent, so I kept my vote on Vivax. I don't see how you can convincingly refute this at all. You can say that Vivax was frustrated because of the counterclaim and not thinking clearly and with complete logic, and that's acceptable from a town point of view. However, I don't think it's more likely than Vivax being a scrambling scum.
Explain how Vivax was stubborn and how does it make him mafia?
Answer Holyflare.
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dude ovs because BM was towh what do you think?
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On March 22 2015 01:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 01:21 Trfel wrote:On March 22 2015 01:06 Holyflare wrote:
trfel how can anyone discuss things with you if you just said you hadn't read the game? if you "tried" to look for alternative wagons, how did you go about that?
have you read anything yet? As I said, I tried to look for alternative wagons by asking people for summaries of the wagons. I specifically remember asking about sicklucker and LightningStrike. But no one was interested at all, no one responded, so I let that drop. I've read the first 40 pages of the game carefully. I read from some page before the claims through the lynch, and I've read the last few pages. I've glanced through a few filters and cases that people said were important. I did what I thought was best with the information I had. Being well over 50 pages down when the lynch was happening, I thought it would be better to get summaries from other players and reread key parts of the game than trying to read the entire game or just reading filters and making my decisions 100% on my own (no context that way). I do want to go read the game, but if I get shot, there isn't much point of that. If town!Vivax shoots me, that would be extremely bad for town, so unfortunately that takes precedence over trying to read the game. If Vivax agrees not to shoot me, the first thing I will do is stop posting and go read the game properly. I don't have any reads on anyone at the moment, it would be premature for me to do so until I read the entire game, and then reread several filters more carefully. + Show Spoiler [If you must have reads...] +Here's what I'm thinking right now, though again, my reads are quite likely to change once I get some more time.
I still lean mafia on Vivax, although it seems that his actions post-lynch were townie, and I haven't read that part of the game. Artanis[Xp] switched to townread on Vivax, so that indicates that Vivax is probably town, even though I don't know why and my own, limited read says he is mafia.
I'm still skeptical of raynpelikoneet. Not sold on the tracker claim, not sold on his level of play. It seems noticeably below his play in Mini Mafia Down Under 1. But the night actions ought to help with raynpelikoneet.
I'm somewhat suspicious of Holyflare as well. I like how he was very aggressive to start wagons, notably his early pushes on Alakaslam and sicklucker. However, I don't think the sicklucker push was terribly alignment indicative (of sicklucker), and the Alakaslam push boiled down to a few misunderstandings (as both Holyflare and Alakaslam later realized). In addition, Holyflare is aggressive as mafia as well (Linux Mafia). The one strange thing about Holyflare is his push onto Bill Murray. That was a pretty bad push. In a critical stage of the game (two claimed vigilantes up for lynch), Holyflare made a (self admitted) terrible push against a fairly inactive player. And now he blames it on being drunk. Were it not for the Bill Murray push, I would put Holyflare as town, but now I'm not so sure.... I'm typing this without even having finished to read the post cause I feel outraged when you say you wanted to talk about SL and LS. THat's bullshit. I had them both as scum previously and you had plenty of chance to take some degree of influence on the game and discuss it with me or with anyone else. Instead your SL read doesn't get mentioned at EoD and you only choose between claims. You said Damdred's case was exaggerated when it was exactly the case that made me become the majority wagon in place of SL and LS who you claim were your scumreads, and yet I end up being your scumread. This doesn't make the slightiest sense. You NEVER pushed for a SL or LS lynch like I did. LS jumped on me after the Damdred case you found exaggerated and you didn't bat an eyelid on it, there's no mention of that opportunistic switch. Instead when it's between me and LS you don't claim a preference, you post this: Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 04:36 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, real life jumped up and got frustrating....
Based on the voting, it seems that Vivax and LightningStrike are most likely to be lynched. Are there any other commonly accepted lynch targets?
Damdred wrote a case on Vivax, so I will go read that. Whose filter should I read to see the LightningStrike case?
Thanks. This reads like kush when he's mafia. Completely apathetic and doesn't reflect at all the opinions you gave on LS and Damdred's case on me. You passively acknowledge the existence of two wagons. And your next conclusion is? Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 05:04 Trfel wrote:On March 21 2015 05:03 Vivax wrote:
Ok now that enough mafia or idiots are piled up on me I hardclaim Drax. Well...... ##vote raynpelikoneet for now. I wasn't really liking a Vivax lynch anyway (based on the first 4 pages of Vivax's filter and Damdred's case). Raynpelikoneet's filter feels weaker.
Not to mention there is a really good case on LightningStrike in my filter but my filter is apparently "weak".
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rofl
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"don't try to find mafia, that's how you survive"
- bestplays2015 by Trfel
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On March 22 2015 03:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Yo guys, just got back from a long ass capoeira session. First of all, sorry to hear that LS.
Second, Damdred, you seem to have forgotten the thing about Trfel/Superbia early on where they both asked how many mafia players are playing in this game. I still believe that tell to be valid. I also know I'm town so your team is guaranteed to be wrong. I also think that shooting into "unknowns" is terrible unless they don't post a lot. I've given plenty of info to read into, so I should either be lynched or kept alive but never shot by a town vig.
So as to who I think you might be wrong on: Rayn and VE come to mind. Your current team lacks a lot of vet power, and though it's possible RNG made it that way, Host WIFOM dictates that there's probably at least one strong player in the mafia team. Rayn's claim can easily be bullshit. I dunno if scum can have a tracker but he can just unclaim it anytime anyway and it'd be just one more Rayn fakeclaim. I've given VE a peripheral townread for his tone but I seem to be getting too many townreads, and that was one of the weakest ones. I'm not sure what you saw in VE's filter that truly made you read him town, but I have not been convinced by him this game. I had to taunt him into actually going into his read on me and he hasn't pushed his opinions at all despite them being in conflict with town consensus (such as his Fecal scumread which no one agreed upon, yet he never tried to convince anyone).
I think one of the two is probably scum and I'll spend some time digging into them once I'm a bit rested.
When are you going to do ths?
Like it's your focus, but yiu make posts about something else.
Go do it now.
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On March 22 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:
like i don't understand anyone that comes into the thread scum reading me but then totally ignores onegu
don't understand in the slightest
Well toad is mafia. Duh...
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I wanna know how rsoultin reads me scum now.
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Holyflare pls go read my filter if i die.
Or someone. Vivax. VE.
You are bright ppl. And i can''t play other than by phone tonight bcz i am not home.
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Noone can ever meta me.
True story.
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Vivax were you your mom?
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On March 22 2015 05:24 Superbia wrote:
People scumreading me for the dumbest shit ever. Really? I was the towniest motherfucker before EoD.
I scumread you because you read on me makes zero sense baeed on what you say.
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On March 22 2015 05:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Noone can ever meta me.
True story. So you're claiming scum then? That's nice to know
How do you conclude this?
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On March 22 2015 05:26 Vivax wrote:My mom and I are different persons. I'm not capable of autogamy.
I am sorry. 
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On March 22 2015 05:27 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2015 05:24 Superbia wrote:
People scumreading me for the dumbest shit ever. Really? I was the towniest motherfucker before EoD. I scumread you because you read on me makes zero sense baeed on what you say. I've said before that I probably confused (parts of) Damdred's filter with yours when I talked about you. I usually talk about what I recall, I only use filters when I want to look back at an exact quote. And that's still rare, I usually paraphrase from what I recall.
That's not why i am scumreading you.
I am sorry if i am being a dick here for not explaining further.
I just decided i would be "a dick" this game becaude noone reads what i write.
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On March 22 2015 05:30 Vivax wrote:
Rayn, how long took it for you to realize that? I prompted Artanis to write that stuff during D1.
I thought it could be clarity.
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