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On March 21 2015 02:14 Vivax wrote:
Whenever Toad doesn't act like he ate wisdom from a spoon there's a good shot he's mafia yes.
On March 21 2015 02:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 01:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 01:53 Toadesstern wrote:
Holy crap 25 pages I have to read... so anyways here's where I'm at for the day withouth reading that yet but having thought about what I already know:
Starting with obvious things that don't need that much explanation because duh, it's in my filter:
Palmar is mafia
Artanis I think has a decent chance to flip mafia. He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet.
Rayn just plain does nothing. Okay that's an exaggeration but I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him because putting pressure on him is the wrong way to figure out his alignment. He just gets angry and the game becomes unplayable as he throws a tantrum. That being said I tried not to do that and from what I've seen he wasn't bullied by other people either, the closest thing being HF mentioning him a lot but even in that case it felt like HF was almost ignoring him so he had all the space he can ask for. And still I don't see anything a town!Rayn would do here. I'd expect him to be kicking and screaming out of his lungs having found at least one 100% mafia by now and how we all need to do what he wants and we're all terrible for not realizing that his scumread is 100% confirmed. I just don't see it. Yes he apparently has some reads but the kick is missing.
on to people I havn't realy read and it's more of a gut-read:
SL I still feel very strongly about just being a lynchbait. I don't even have a read on him, he's pretty much null for me but I just don't see this emoticon thing being a thing. The reason for which he got a target early on was stupid and I think he among myself was the easy (easier) place to dump votes onto for mafia or start a mislynch. I'm not going to lynch that unless someone shows me something big that happened in the last 25 pages about him.
Damdred/Vivax/LS, Damdred actually feels decent in my books even though he's feeling under the radar. Not sure why, but I like the way he's posting with not the slightest care&fear in the world. Would not want to lynch that today.
Vivax feels very odd. Same slightly under the radar feel despite actually having a decent filter (which is a bad sign) but he at the same time just doesn't feel right like damdred does. If we're going for a lurker / under the radar.
LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts.
So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now. Maybe some of the other guys that I havn't bothered looking into yet. Can't remember a thing Onegu or breshke have said for that matter. But that's my stance for now and I'll start reading o/ this guy is town. I like the way he looks at rayn. Like a lot Well I don't like it cause it's the usual meta argument where people expect you to play exactly the same in every game, it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't apply to rayn. People can change their styles, maybe rayn has become more considerate? I know mafia rayn as being more disruptive than town rayn so if I made the same observations as Toad I'd argue in the opposite direction.
moving up on my list. Throwing shit at me for the sake of throwing shit at me. He even disagrees with himself... not to mention that the assessment is just completly wrong. If I'm townread early on I do whatever because I feel like I can just throw out my reads without explaining them and that's better for me, if I have to actually explain because I'm in one of those rare games where I'm not the shining beacon of towniness I'll do it... badly... but I'll do it. But I NEVER said I'm good at it or even good at playing town.
Last QT I was wasked by HTS if I can coach a newby game and I instantly responded by saying that I wouldn't want to coach townies because I'm not that good at playing town.
In Hammertime I said this:
On January 27 2015 15:54 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 14:57 Half the Sky wrote:Sanity please. Good morning. Took about 10m to skim through. Will post my initial impressions before I jet for work. I'll look a little harder into Liancourt's posting, but I have some thoughts and some criticisms. This post from Lian is making me reconsider a scum read on him. Here's why: On January 27 2015 13:51 liancourt wrote:
@toad
I know you're trying to be the thread mayor and all, but I really expected HF/marv/koshi level play from you, but I'm somewhat disappointed...maybe I had high expectations of you or maybe you're holding back for some reason. It's like you're playing politics and moderating everything instead of pointing fingers and pushing things hard.
How many scumreads does Toad have right now? From what I can tell, zero. This part of Lian's post is making me think that what if a (potential) mafia Toad could cruise on being so widely townread? It doesn't look likely at this point, but the fact that it made me think, and it shows that Lian has made some broad observation of a player relative to the entire game, despite Toad himself only having a three page filter. I took a look at Toad's filter, and he seems to be in that information gathering/analysing phase of scumhunting, but if I don't see him pushing something/someone soon, I might just start to wonder. His first vote was on Liancourt on what I believed to be a pressure vote and then he unvoted. Don't get me wrong, I'm still reading Toad as town, but this was a very provocative post by Lian and makes me think he's town for this observation. At the very least, I might actually move him upwards from my scumpile. I'm one of the guys that figures out who's town and lynches into whoever is left, starting with the guy my stomach likes the least as I'm usually incredibly confident in my townreads. You're probably not going to see me make long cases about people being mafia. That mostly goes out to you and lian who said he expected me to be someone like Marv/HF... I even told you that I'm the kind of guy that just looks cute and everyone wants to cuddle :3 That being said, a walkthrough of my thoughts lately would be: [... yalayala ...].
So why are you throwing shit at me Vivax?
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Sorry guys really busy irl don't scun read me or vote for me. And kinda depressed so be nice while I'm gone
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I like how it feels in my hands
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On March 21 2015 02:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:20 Holyflare wrote:On March 21 2015 02:19 Vivax wrote:On March 21 2015 01:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 01:53 Toadesstern wrote:
Holy crap 25 pages I have to read... so anyways here's where I'm at for the day withouth reading that yet but having thought about what I already know:
Starting with obvious things that don't need that much explanation because duh, it's in my filter:
Palmar is mafia
Artanis I think has a decent chance to flip mafia. He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet.
Rayn just plain does nothing. Okay that's an exaggeration but I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him because putting pressure on him is the wrong way to figure out his alignment. He just gets angry and the game becomes unplayable as he throws a tantrum. That being said I tried not to do that and from what I've seen he wasn't bullied by other people either, the closest thing being HF mentioning him a lot but even in that case it felt like HF was almost ignoring him so he had all the space he can ask for. And still I don't see anything a town!Rayn would do here. I'd expect him to be kicking and screaming out of his lungs having found at least one 100% mafia by now and how we all need to do what he wants and we're all terrible for not realizing that his scumread is 100% confirmed. I just don't see it. Yes he apparently has some reads but the kick is missing.
on to people I havn't realy read and it's more of a gut-read:
SL I still feel very strongly about just being a lynchbait. I don't even have a read on him, he's pretty much null for me but I just don't see this emoticon thing being a thing. The reason for which he got a target early on was stupid and I think he among myself was the easy (easier) place to dump votes onto for mafia or start a mislynch. I'm not going to lynch that unless someone shows me something big that happened in the last 25 pages about him.
Damdred/Vivax/LS, Damdred actually feels decent in my books even though he's feeling under the radar. Not sure why, but I like the way he's posting with not the slightest care&fear in the world. Would not want to lynch that today.
Vivax feels very odd. Same slightly under the radar feel despite actually having a decent filter (which is a bad sign) but he at the same time just doesn't feel right like damdred does. If we're going for a lurker / under the radar.
LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts.
So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now. Maybe some of the other guys that I havn't bothered looking into yet. Can't remember a thing Onegu or breshke have said for that matter. But that's my stance for now and I'll start reading o/ this guy is town. I like the way he looks at rayn. Like a lot Well I don't like it cause it's the usual meta argument where people expect you to play exactly the same in every game, it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't apply to rayn. People can change their styles, maybe rayn has become more considerate? I know mafia rayn as being more disruptive than town rayn so if I made the same observations as Toad I'd argue in the opposite direction. how is it just solely based on meta and an exaggeration? if you get rid of the meta then it just leaves rayn has reads and he isn't driving them home like he should be and isn't really doing anything I have reads too and people aren't falling to their knees when I post reasons for these reads, there's only so much you can do when they don't listen. You are in the same spot. You have a scumread on rayn and only few people willing to pile up, does this make you the same as rayn?
i'm not really doing much to push rayn at all so that's the reason really?
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Toadesstern why do you make a read on me where everything is false without having read the thread?
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On March 21 2015 02:26 Damdred wrote:
Sorry guys really busy irl don't scun read me or vote for me. And kinda depressed so be nice while I'm gone
 (( feel better damdy!
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Damdred please don't be depressed bro
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On March 21 2015 02:22 Vivax wrote:
Mostly I remember the mafia games 1. where you were a hydra with mocsta and basically quit D1 insulting everybody and their parents and 2. the game where you told Koshi to modkill himself after being really low profile during D1.
On March 21 2015 02:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 01:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 01:53 Toadesstern wrote:
Holy crap 25 pages I have to read... so anyways here's where I'm at for the day withouth reading that yet but having thought about what I already know:
Starting with obvious things that don't need that much explanation because duh, it's in my filter:
Palmar is mafia
Artanis I think has a decent chance to flip mafia. He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet.
Rayn just plain does nothing. Okay that's an exaggeration but I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him because putting pressure on him is the wrong way to figure out his alignment. He just gets angry and the game becomes unplayable as he throws a tantrum. That being said I tried not to do that and from what I've seen he wasn't bullied by other people either, the closest thing being HF mentioning him a lot but even in that case it felt like HF was almost ignoring him so he had all the space he can ask for. And still I don't see anything a town!Rayn would do here. I'd expect him to be kicking and screaming out of his lungs having found at least one 100% mafia by now and how we all need to do what he wants and we're all terrible for not realizing that his scumread is 100% confirmed. I just don't see it. Yes he apparently has some reads but the kick is missing.
on to people I havn't realy read and it's more of a gut-read:
SL I still feel very strongly about just being a lynchbait. I don't even have a read on him, he's pretty much null for me but I just don't see this emoticon thing being a thing. The reason for which he got a target early on was stupid and I think he among myself was the easy (easier) place to dump votes onto for mafia or start a mislynch. I'm not going to lynch that unless someone shows me something big that happened in the last 25 pages about him.
Damdred/Vivax/LS, Damdred actually feels decent in my books even though he's feeling under the radar. Not sure why, but I like the way he's posting with not the slightest care&fear in the world. Would not want to lynch that today.
Vivax feels very odd. Same slightly under the radar feel despite actually having a decent filter (which is a bad sign) but he at the same time just doesn't feel right like damdred does. If we're going for a lurker / under the radar.
LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts.
So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now. Maybe some of the other guys that I havn't bothered looking into yet. Can't remember a thing Onegu or breshke have said for that matter. But that's my stance for now and I'll start reading o/ this guy is town. I like the way he looks at rayn. Like a lot Well I don't like it cause it's the usual meta argument where people expect you to play exactly the same in every game, it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't apply to rayn. People can change their styles, maybe rayn has become more considerate? I know mafia rayn as being more disruptive than town rayn so if I made the same observations as Toad I'd argue in the opposite direction.
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On March 21 2015 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toadesstern why do you make a read on me where everything is false without having read the thread?
on a scale from 0 to 100, how certain are you that I am mafia?
If you say 100 I'm willing to lynch Vivax before lynching into you.
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The last game I was in with rayn he got confronted with the same arguments really, he was town and we wrecked scum. That's cause he shot me in the game before that game and I threw a tantrum and he started being more careful. That's my opinion. So I can think of a reason that rayn doesn't live to his kicking and screaming standard Toad is suggesting.
While people being too serious, ie not having fun, who feel like they don't really believe their arguments or overemphasize them tend to be scum, which is what I'm saying about Artanis. @ HF
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Also now going to watch the Euoprean LCS now I was playing a LoL match so when breaks happen I will respond to every that goes towards me!
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On March 21 2015 02:30 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toadesstern why do you make a read on me where everything is false without having read the thread? on a scale from 0 to 100, how certain are you that I am mafia? If you say 100 I'm willing to lynch Vivax before lynching into you.
Answer the question please.
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And the last part I use generally cause the hard part about playing scum is actually finding reasons to scumread townies when you have to lie all the time, and having the solution to the game takes the fun out of it for most people.
So stop quoting me 
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On March 21 2015 02:14 Vivax wrote:
Whenever Toad doesn't act like he ate wisdom from a spoon there's a good shot he's mafia yes. On March 21 2015 02:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 01:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 01:53 Toadesstern wrote:
Holy crap 25 pages I have to read... so anyways here's where I'm at for the day withouth reading that yet but having thought about what I already know:
Starting with obvious things that don't need that much explanation because duh, it's in my filter:
Palmar is mafia
Artanis I think has a decent chance to flip mafia. He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet.
Rayn just plain does nothing. Okay that's an exaggeration but I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him because putting pressure on him is the wrong way to figure out his alignment. He just gets angry and the game becomes unplayable as he throws a tantrum. That being said I tried not to do that and from what I've seen he wasn't bullied by other people either, the closest thing being HF mentioning him a lot but even in that case it felt like HF was almost ignoring him so he had all the space he can ask for. And still I don't see anything a town!Rayn would do here. I'd expect him to be kicking and screaming out of his lungs having found at least one 100% mafia by now and how we all need to do what he wants and we're all terrible for not realizing that his scumread is 100% confirmed. I just don't see it. Yes he apparently has some reads but the kick is missing.
on to people I havn't realy read and it's more of a gut-read:
SL I still feel very strongly about just being a lynchbait. I don't even have a read on him, he's pretty much null for me but I just don't see this emoticon thing being a thing. The reason for which he got a target early on was stupid and I think he among myself was the easy (easier) place to dump votes onto for mafia or start a mislynch. I'm not going to lynch that unless someone shows me something big that happened in the last 25 pages about him.
Damdred/Vivax/LS, Damdred actually feels decent in my books even though he's feeling under the radar. Not sure why, but I like the way he's posting with not the slightest care&fear in the world. Would not want to lynch that today.
Vivax feels very odd. Same slightly under the radar feel despite actually having a decent filter (which is a bad sign) but he at the same time just doesn't feel right like damdred does. If we're going for a lurker / under the radar.
LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts.
So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now. Maybe some of the other guys that I havn't bothered looking into yet. Can't remember a thing Onegu or breshke have said for that matter. But that's my stance for now and I'll start reading o/ this guy is town. I like the way he looks at rayn. Like a lot Well I don't like it cause it's the usual meta argument where people expect you to play exactly the same in every game, it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't apply to rayn. People can change their styles, maybe rayn has become more considerate? I know mafia rayn as being more disruptive than town rayn so if I made the same observations as Toad I'd argue in the opposite direction.
Like srsly vivax, wtf
Repeating because that's actually a thing that needs attention, even more so than reading another 20 pages. This guy needs some lynching comming for him
@Rayn: I don't think it's wrong, that's why
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Toad be honest, you're an incredibly cocky town
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You even think you're son goku when you are town
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On March 21 2015 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:30 Toadesstern wrote:On March 21 2015 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toadesstern why do you make a read on me where everything is false without having read the thread? on a scale from 0 to 100, how certain are you that I am mafia? If you say 100 I'm willing to lynch Vivax before lynching into you. Answer the question please.
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