EPTIf raynpelikoneet isn't town, this basically means that mafia didn't kill and didn't roleblock a claimed tracker? Which doesn't make sense to me at all.
I'm going to sleep, good night. Definitely rereading this later, I'm quite tired.
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If raynpelikoneet isn't town, this basically means that mafia didn't kill and didn't roleblock a claimed tracker? Which doesn't make sense to me at all. I'm going to sleep, good night. Definitely rereading this later, I'm quite tired. | ||
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On March 22 2015 18:05 rsoultin wrote: Or perhaps they're just terribly uncoordinated?lol >< my instinct says ExO_ claiming here is not a good scum move...but i can't reconcile it with the alignment cop thing onegu has to be scum. just has to, or he's the stupidest townie in the world here >< and if he's scum, rayn coming in saying he's not a mason, confuses the hell out of me. cause he should already know that onegu claimed that if they're scum together. unless that's the point...distancing basically i have a headache and it's not going to get any better -_- | ||
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On March 22 2015 18:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hm... You weren't there when rsoultin switched votes from Alakaslam to prplhz, were you? Her reason was to get a better read on two other players. The result was hammering town instead of the scum she pushed all game long.I don't know. What i do know is that rsoultin would ever jail you oer HF if she thinks you are both town (masons). Here's something else. If ExO_ is town, he has a green check on rsoultin. If ExO_ is scum, he wouldn't bus rsoultin here. | ||
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And I laugh at everyone who believed Onegu's second mason claim. Good night all. | ||
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Rsoultin's alignment is not related to Toadesstern's, and is not related to Onegu's. Rsoultin is town because of ExO_, who is claiming a green check on her (regardless of ExO_'s alignment, rsoultin is town). The only way that rsoultin is mafia here is if she is the godfather, and this is even more unlikely (given the multitude of other reasons to townread her). While it is somewhat unlikely, I suppose it is possible that Toadesstern is mafia here. I just think he's much more likely to be town. Artanis[Xp], if you really think that I am mafia here, you still have to believe that I actually did have the orb. Otherwise, someone would have counterclaimed it. And then, you have to believe that I used the tracking ability. Otherwise, it would come up later, and that would make me look more suspicious. If my plan was to bus LightningStrike, I needed to point the orb at him, that way the KP option would be a successful bus. Thus, there is only a 50% chance that I would be able to incriminate LightningStrike using the orb, as the rolecheck and roleblock options wouldn't do much (and roleblocking has the extreme danger of keeping Holyflare alive...). Vivax, why do you think that raynpelikoneet is town? | ||
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If Toadesstern is town here, which is quite likely, I am very suspicious of Onegu. I think it's simply much more likely that Onegu was carrying KP and it got roleblocked than mafia deciding to shoot both masons. This might also explain why raynpelikoneet is alive and not roleblocked (assuming he is town...), since Onegu could have been sent to kill him. Furthermore, Onegu would have been a natural choice to carry the scum KP. | ||
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I'm honestly quite surprised that ExO_ is alive and not roleblocked, but that's another possibility for where Onegu's KP was headed. Rsoultin, I'm disappointed I didn't make your list of people trying to solve the game  | ||
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From the rules description of the Orb. "The Infinity Orb is a special mechanic to aid the Nova Corps and the forces of good against the forces of evil." In case people still doubt ExO_'s claim. | ||
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I suppose I was accepting Artanis[Xp] as town because everyone else was willing to. Apparently that is no longer true. I'll take a look when I have time (which probably won't be for a while...). | ||
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Everyone be nice, please? Particularly looking at Toadesstern/Vivax here... Again, while it is possible that Toadesstern is mafia, it is unlikely. Everyone else has explained this better than I could... Artanis[Xp] could be mafia here, but I still find that unlikely due to his filter length. I shadowed Artanis[Xp] in Imperial Mafia. He revealed that he really doesn't like playing as scum, and he said that the next time he got scum, he would just not care and let himself get lynched (this happened in Student Mafia VI, fairly recently). I can't argue that Artanis[Xp] isn't possible of playing at this level as mafia, he certainly is. But I don't think that he would in this situation, especially given that before the game began he was talking about the frustrations of playing in large games and how he would only portions of the game. I looked at what Holyflare and VisceraEyes said about Artanis[Xp]. And I have a few problems with just blindly sheeping dead people. The first one is that new information changes reads. Second, Holyflare pushes suspicion at a wide range of people in his games, and I would be pretty surprised to see Holyflare not scumread Artanis[Xp] at some point. Furthermore, Artanis[Xp]'s statements in question don't seem good from a town perspective, but I don't see much motivation from them coming from a mafia perspective, either. The main reasons that Artanis[Xp] could be scum are inconsistency between words and actions, and not providing very many original reads. I'll check this later, but for now, I think that Artanis[Xp] is probably town. Raynpelikoneet and Onegu are going to have to do something impressive to make me not want to lynch them. Of course, the night results should shed a lot of light on this (and the claimfests in general). So I won't discuss this until tomorrow. I suppose I could see Artanis[Xp] and Toadesstern being mafia together. And I could see raynpelikoneet and Onegu being mafia together. At this point, those feel like the most likely possibilities to me (though there is an extremely high chance I am wildly wrong). | ||
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On March 23 2015 07:20 Eden1892 wrote: It's probably false.Trfel, what's your view on ray's claim? By this point, I've read the majority of this game. I mostly know what I'm talking about. I have read the first 40 pages of the game, and from a point shortly before the vigilante claims through here. Unfortunately, I missed stuff in between, which includes the reasons why raynpelikoneet was scumread, but I'm assuming those reasons were good. Vivax claimed vigilante, which puts raynpelikoneet as a high suspect for the lynch. I can see town!raynpelikoneet claiming here, if he really is tracker. That makes sense to me. However, I would also expect mafia!raynpelikoneet to claim here. Tracker is a good claim, because as a niche role, it's not likely to get counterclaimed. So, I'm still suspicious of him, because his claim does little to dissuade the initial reasons to scumread him (whatever they may be). Raynpelikoneet tracking his townread, Vivax, makes little sense to me. However, I'm not sure that it says that much about raynpelikoneet's alignment (perhaps someone else can explain this eventually). However, if raynpelikoneet is fake-claiming, tracking Vivax makes a lot of sense, as Vivax was roleblocked, so raynpelikoneet knew he wasn't going anywhere. And Onegu (who I scumread for being roleblocked by rsoultin, while mafia is missing a KP) claimed mason with raynpelikoneet. Which makes me a little more suspicious of raynpelikoneet. Raynpelikoneet's play since his claim has been less than impressive. He's pushed scum on a ton of different people, for very illogical reasons, generally just attacking people who disagree with him. That doesn't help his case, but apparently he's like that when he's mad, so I suppose that can probably come from town!raynpelikoneet as well. | ||
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On March 23 2015 07:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: One of the people I most want to talk to, right when I need to leave....Hi guys, just got back from festival. Eardrums still pounding. Did Vivax remove the pants from his head yet? Hopefully you'll discuss everything I'm interested in. | ||
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Primarly, what do you think about raynpelikoneet and Onegu? | ||
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On March 23 2015 08:22 Trfel wrote: Sorry, you already answered the part about raynpelikoneet.Artanis[Xp]... I wanted to ask you about other people's alignments as well. Primarly, what do you think about raynpelikoneet and Onegu? Still interested in Onegu. | ||
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I think it is reasonable that Onegu saw raynpelikoneet in trouble and claimed mason with him without asking first. Then, raynpelikoneet didnt accept the mason claim (either because it risks revealing both of them as mafia or because he didn't read the thread and didn't see what Onegu was doing, which seems quite likely). Is it an uncoordinated play? Yes. But I think it's still reasonable. I don't think their alignments are tied together. But I still think that it is very likely that Onegu was carrying KP and rsoultin roleblocked it. I don't see mafia shooting Onegu here when they were already shooting his mason buddy Holyflare, and leaving claimed tracker raynpelikoneet and obvious blue ExO_ alive. | ||
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If you don't want to answer, I understand. | ||
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Did I miss something? | ||
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On March 23 2015 10:31 sicklucker wrote: VisceraEyes' opening post had absolutely no relevance to his role.Im fairly sure mafia shot ve. Let me explain. A few games ago with ve when he subbed in he claimed medic for no reason at night. Then mafia asap shot him. This game he subtle tried to take a rolebullit and It makes sense mafia feel for it. Toad how har ddid you telegraph your shot I forget? Like if you telegraphed who you were shooting like I said you shouldnt theres 0% chance your town unless mafia did some sort of ridiculous double stack to frame you. If mafia was bluehunting, they would have hit ExO_ or the claimed tracker raynpelikoneet. I'm sorry, this makes no sense to me. | ||
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On March 23 2015 10:39 Eden1892 wrote: Four....hey, wait a sec assuming all kills processed without interference and both vigs shot, how many kills should there have been? | ||
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On March 23 2015 10:40 sicklucker wrote: Mafia KP is two.3... Two claimed vigilantes. 2 + 2 = 4 | ||
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