EPTWhat the hell Koshi. Tell me why Palmar's town case is bad?
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Eden1892
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What the hell Koshi. Tell me why Palmar's town case is bad? | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can't believe you actually believe this. Can't believe that you wouldn't want to switch off of me and onto Onegu...? Or that you moved third? I actually got that right lol, just mixed up prplhz and marv. | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 20 2015 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least you should not lynch the people who look townier than your "really townie guy". I'm not sure that you look townier than Palmar right now. I wouldn't be switching otherwise. ._. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:04 Koshi wrote: Because as mafia his job is to say/act out a couple fucking townie things? And now he is fucking putting them in a case. Ignoring all the scummy shit he said. I read all the filters and I gave my opinion. For me Palmar is 100% mafia. But I can lynch you first. Really no problem. But it's not just "a couple of things." His evolution of his d1 reads, when he explains them in the big case, looks legit. It looks like town!Palmar here. It's an entire narrative of how his mindset changed over the course of the day, not just "see look I scumread JAT here" type stuff. | ||
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Eden1892
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What is so wrong about it? We've all been saying for a couple days now that someone is playing the mafia game of their lives. Why does it have to be one of me or Palmar? | ||
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Eden1892
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ray yes, Koshi no. tbf I think it's probably you if it's not ray. I don't think Koshi would fakeclaim cop when he did, he has no incentive to do that when he can coast as a "veteran" and win the game. | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 20 2015 04:10 prplhz wrote: it just seems more probable the it's you or palmar? it's not like no one has considered anything else, it's more like, everybody has considered anything else Then unless they can show why Palmar's town case is bunk, they better damn well start considering it again | ||
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Eden1892
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"okay, <Palmar/Eden> had the worse town case, let's lynch him" <Palmar/Eden> flips town "oops, oh well, guess the other one must be mafia" <Eden/Palmar> flips town, <ray/marv/Koshi/prplhz> wins, <other 3> are stupefied I think the far better use of my time is in trying to prove that the other alternatives are possible. Just focusing on why I'm town is silly because everyone has made up their minds that I'm less townie than the other 4. Having all of the attention focused on me and Palmar is just going to lead to us both being lynched. Put another way, even if Palmar gets lynched today, unless he's mafia, I'll have to do this pushing next phase anyway. Why wait until then to start, when everyone's hearts will already be closed? If town's going to win, I have to start now. | ||
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Eden1892
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ray, you said on d2 that you were going to lynch Onegu, but you switched because no one was listening. Why is it that you never voted for Onegu d2 then? | ||
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On March 14 2015 23:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: For anyone who thinks i am mafia i shoot marv 100% of the times in this game's N1. 100%. Because i am not stupid. So you can't really think i am mafia without marv being also mafia which is a retarded assumption in the first place given how this game has went. I don't really who is mafia, Onegu and ritoky are least town. I am going to sheep marv because i trust his reads. ##vote ritoky This is your post from when you voted ritoky. Does that look like a "push" on Onegu to anyone else in the room? On March 14 2015 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I base my ritoky townread on the these facts: - I know i am town, i was the opposing wagon to JAT - I don't think JAT would bus, i don't think JAT would give up because there was a lot of time left - Everyone was at least sorta scumreading (or null-reading) ritoky at that point - therefore he is the easiest wagon to push (besides Onegu, which is one of the reasons i think Onegu is mafia) - JAT pushes ritoky - JAT did not give up in my opinion, he was coasting by with me being on the chopping block. When i made my case on him, he got SHIT ACTIVE when suddenly HE is the one being (at least possibly) lynched. The only reason i would think ritoky is mafia is if JAT just gave up. Which is clearly not the case here. Even more ridiculous is to say i am mafia with him. There are many things (besides the JAT lynch) that point towards me being town so fucking heavily. So Koshi, go read again. Or rather: - Do you think i gave up? I don't give up as scum, or if i do i just antagonize marv. - Do you think there is a fucking world (after Noir) where i do not kill marv on N1? This is why you townread ritoky. I explained why I flip-flopped. Time for you to explain yours. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: because i can be wrong and he can be right. This is a really bad reason and I don't think I believe it. This is worse than my reason and my reason was pretty bad. I can at least excuse my reason with a bout of irrational frustration. You're treating it like a calculated decision, which makes no sense for someone with a strong townread to do without any engagement with marv about the issue. I want everyone to go through ray's filter and ctrl-f "onegu" for me. This is roughly what you'll find: - A lot of unexplained flip-flops early on Onegu. ray starts off townreading Onegu early, then completely retracts his townread, claiming that if Onegu were mafia, Onegu would want to avoid townreading ray but also avoid scumreading him either. Onegu responds by claiming ray is 100% town, which apparently does not affect ray's read on Onegu. - ray briefly acknowledges that Onegu's vote "looks good" for him, but then throughout d2 is talking about Onegu being a good lynch and ritoky being town. - Despite the above, ray sheeps marv onto the guy he had a strong townread on without debating the issue with marv first. He also never votes for Onegu, despite now trying to claim credit for pushing Onegu. Additionally, he never makes a concerted push on Onegu d2. - He comes out voting for Onegu immediately on d3. Given the above, this looks like a bus he planned in the night. He ends up flipping onto me when he thinks he can get me lynched, but then moves back as soon as the tide shifts toward Onegu at the end. This to me looks like someone who didn't know what to do with his partner early, then looked for an out to not lynch his partner, then decided to commit to the bus on his partner. The evolution of this read is more than a little sketchy. ray, you're going to need to explain how your read evolved on Onegu like Palmar explained how his d1 reads evolved. | ||
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Eden1892
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But I'm not backing down. I'm staking my spotless ML streak on this. You are mafia. | ||
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Eden1892
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I'd like to submit to the court, once more, that the n1 actions still make 0 sense if ray is town. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: btw if you are town in this game Eden i will go back to never read any of your posts in any game and just sheep people when they want to lynch you because your posting is impossible to read. You take points from some point of the game and make about ten different conclusions of them and try to push every of them after another. It is fucking impossible to figure out where your head actually is at any point of the game because you just make up a narrative for about every single person to be mafia in every situation in the game. that is not playing mafia, that is paranoia. Ya, I know I've been all over the place. There's too much information in this game. I tried sitting back and not getting overloaded with it and got people pushing me d1. Why am I wrong now? I feel like if you're town this is pretty easy to explain, no? | ||
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Eden1892
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Uh, I do. If Palmar isn't town then why are you lynching me first? | ||
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