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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
I feel like when you're town, from what I've seen of you, you tend to be more forceful about finding mafia. You were so with JAT d1 which was part of why I townread you before JAT flipped. But I feel like you've dropped off since then and are more complacent, which kinda ties into like this is is straight up BS because Eden townread me WAY before i EVER pushed JAT. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Show me anywhere he is figuring out the game. Anything. Special. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On March 17 2015 06:22 Palmar wrote: Like even if you are absolutely convinced I am mafia Koshi it's terrible play to not engage just in the off chance that I happen to be town, which of course I am. You're awful. Stop the insulting then you retard. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On March 17 2015 06:24 Koshi wrote: Ok I read Palmar his latest 4 pages. Show me anywhere he is figuring out the game. Anything. Special. And do not show me a single thought he had. Show me how he evolves the rayn scumread into the night. Into the marv + somebody read before deadline. Into Onegu for no reason. Into prplhz for no reason. Into rayn for no reason. Into who is he atm on? Now show me the thoughtprocess of Palmar solving the game between all these points. The PoE. The reasoning. Something? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Well I did ask you quite politely to actually do shit today. You have no good reason to think I'm mafia, you've just randomly decided it based on butterflies and rainbows. Well butterflies and rainbows are townie things. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On March 17 2015 06:30 Palmar wrote: Well I did ask you quite politely to actually do shit today. You have no good reason to think I'm mafia, you've just randomly decided it based on butterflies and rainbows. Well butterflies and rainbows are townie things. NEWSFLASH: Koshi did things D1. Palmar did nothing. Palmar promised to do things D3. Palmar does nothing. Palmar asks Koshi to do things politely. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 17 2015 06:28 Koshi wrote: And do not show me a single thought he had. Show me how he evolves the rayn scumread into the night. Into the marv + somebody read before deadline. Into Onegu for no reason. Into prplhz for no reason. Into rayn for no reason. Into who is he atm on? Now show me the thoughtprocess of Palmar solving the game between all these points. The PoE. The reasoning. Something? There is plenty left in the day and I'm not quite sure. But I have, yes, been trying to figure out the game. If you don't believe me go back and read the fucking million times this exact situation has unfolded before. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 17 2015 06:31 Koshi wrote: NEWSFLASH: Koshi did things D1. Palmar did nothing. Palmar promised to do things D3. Palmar does nothing. Palmar asks Koshi to do things politely. Don't pat yourself too much on the back. I didn't even know you were behind the JAT push when I voted him, I already knew he was mafia and had said so several times. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On March 17 2015 06:32 Palmar wrote: There is plenty left in the day and I'm not quite sure. But I have, yes, been trying to figure out the game. If you don't believe me go back and read the fucking million times this exact situation has unfolded before. What are you saying? I don't understand it. Are you saying you did the exact same thing during D1 and D2? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On March 17 2015 06:33 Palmar wrote: Don't pat yourself too much on the back. I didn't even know you were behind the JAT push when I voted him, I already knew he was mafia and had said so several times. Was this when you asked somebody you knew wasn't going to vote JAT and sheeped him OFF JAT? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 17 2015 06:33 Koshi wrote: Was this when you asked somebody you knew wasn't going to vote JAT and sheeped him OFF JAT? I randomly sheeped people day 1. Go read my sex post. It's amazing. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 09 2015 19:30 Palmar wrote: ##vote ritoky Here's some preparation material: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=Palmar http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466211-tl-mafia-lxviii-fanfic-crossover-edition?user=Palmar http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467273-2p2-vanilla-werewolf-13er?user=Palmar Above are links to my filters in three games in 2014 where I got lynched as town because of fear/lynch inertia. If you want comparison, here are the last two games I got lynched as mafia. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?user=Palmar http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/429897-thug-life-mini-mafia?user=Palmar There's nothing to do today so anyone who actually thinks they're going to lynch me needs to read this (assuming they're town, of course). The parts I specifically want you to pay attention to is how I act when I get under pressure of being lynched. This is vitally important because the easiest way to determine my alignment is to try to lynch me. Assuming I am close to a computer enough to actually post to defend myself, I always will defend myself, because I don't like getting lynched as town. Reading up on the meta is a good first step in not mislynching me. I am not going to go all out today because it requires effort and I'd rather have energy when it actually matters. The way I see this game we now have ritoky as confirmed mafia, damdred as likely second one, and pending further reading maybe vivax too. And for the love of god, listen to marv. If he is mafia he will say I'm town because that's how it works, but more importantly, if he is town, he will get my alignment right. It is very, very likely that he already highly suspect I'm town, and it will only get confirmed when people try to lynch me. Also, just to be clear, I'm sort of looking forward to the big day. It's always exciting to see how and why people push me. I , for example, have no idea why sl thinks I'm mafia. Here, and add imperial mafia itself to the mix, oh and also that game where I mislynched toad. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
If somebody can point out what Palmar is trying to tell me let me know. I can't talk to this guy when he is rambling about nothing. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 17 2015 06:28 Koshi wrote: And do not show me a single thought he had. Show me how he evolves the rayn scumread into the night. Into the marv + somebody read before deadline. Into Onegu for no reason. Into prplhz for no reason. Into rayn for no reason. Into who is he atm on? Now show me the thoughtprocess of Palmar solving the game between all these points. The PoE. The reasoning. Something? Sure, I will! On March 17 2015 06:28 Koshi wrote: Into the marv + somebody read before deadline. Yes. Marv is easily good enough as town not to get lynched even if I'm the nightkill which I didn't really expect. I had, and still have, too much reservations about him. All the things he says he only does as town are essentially correct, but he also has numerous red flags (some of which I listed in that post aimed at him). Like if I die during the night I'm more worried that scumMarv never gets lynched, than if townMarv ever gets lynched. On March 17 2015 06:28 Koshi wrote: Into Onegu for no reason. At a time when a lot of people were showing interest in voting me he decided to pile on, having almost not mentioned me before. I think it was only last night (might have been yesterday too) when he was asking people convince him on me and he has repeatedly said he cannot read me. Thus he has no active reason to think I'm mafia, and as such he shouldn't be voting me, yet he was/is? Like contentwise, he is currently at the top of my lynchlist. He has a short filter, he wants to lynch me with rayn calling me town and marv being unsure about my alignment when he admits he cannot read me. This means he's fine with a crapshoot lynch. On the other hand it's just too easy, he fits all the boxes, he has the shortest filter in the game, he hasn't done much and I can't remember many reads that had much insight or analysis attached to them. Maybe whoever (rayn?) said that the problem is that we are overthinking and the simplest solution is the right one is right? I don't have to be sure right now so I'm just withholding judgement. I want to re-read his filter if I'm going ot actually go for him.[/QUOTE] On March 17 2015 06:28 Koshi wrote: Into prplhz for no reason. So I started reading people's filter. prplhz did something I generally associate with mafia, which is to start randomly defending people very early in the game. Like it almost makes me feel better about it that he was actually defending mafia. When you and I were singling out JAT as a target he was defending him. I just feel that as town it's not very productive to go much on the defensive this early. I will admit that prplhz going into other games to use meta against JAT later does look townie, and his interaction with me (see, there's a reason to the madness) today felt kind of okay. I genuinely believe that he was annoyed/angry at me in our interactions today, and I feel like it was for the correct reasons. This makes him more likely to be town. On March 17 2015 06:28 Koshi wrote: Into rayn for no reason. I just voted rayn to poke the bear. I feel like rayn has been doing things today and I'm a massive sucker for people that call town. When I last left the thread I was reading through rayn's filter and I was trying to figure out the timeline of his JAT read, I recall there being a gap in his posting (a night or something) and at first I thought it was scummy (how his treatment of jat changed from before the night to after) but I think I read some more that convinced me otherwise. This is what I'm doing now. Sooo I don't think there were any more steps to what I've been doing today. I have some (not much) time tonight and then I should be active again tomorrow. @Eden, I saw somewhere from you a quote that mentioned you thought marv was treating JAT with something gloves? (what is the expression?) Do you feel this was a valid assessment of marv's day 1 regarding JAT? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On March 13 2015 23:50 Palmar wrote: By the way, because I'm all in contemplative serious mode right now. Despite all my votes all around, this is my list from towniest to mafia. LS Koshi marv Eden ritoky Damdred onegu prplhz rayn Just read palmar is his filter from this post (page 13) till now and tell me he is legit looking for mafia. Or has any hard read on anybody, like a townie who actually figures a game out. Because Palmar got a lot of posts since then, and a lot are trying to figure the game out, but is he really? You have to know that Palmar stopped trolling on page 13. So this is game face Palmar: 1) This list. 2) Case on rayn. 2) into ritoky is a fine lynch. + vote 3) Into rayn is a fine lynch + vote. (But 0 reasons why ritoky is a bad lynch) 4) Into marv + somebody is mafia. (Where is rayn?) 5) marv case 6) Onegu vote 7) prplhz is mafia if marv is mafia. 8) marv is town into prplhz vote 9) Into marv, Eden, rayn and Onegu are mafia. (yes, prplhz is town now) 10) vote for rayn 11) A lot of nothing tbh Ok. Now show me how this is town Palmar? Or show me this is a townie figuring out the game? Sure, townies jump around in early gme, without much to go on. But Palmar goes 180 all the time D3? Show me where he does this as town. It wasn't that newbie he replaced in recently. I don't any other games atm. But maybe marv can help? Or anybody? It's important you show me where he does it as town, and not that he doesn't do it as mafia. Because this behavior (aka having no real reads D3) is in nature mafia. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 17 2015 06:37 Koshi wrote: I don't understand what Palmar is saying to me or what it is accomplishing. Something about him saying JAT was mafia in a spoiler and then not voting him or trying to get him lynched AT ALL. And then something about another game. If somebody can point out what Palmar is trying to tell me let me know. I can't talk to this guy when he is rambling about nothing. I am pointing out that: a) yes you got mafia lynched day 1. This doesn't make you the boss of life. It would suck if you threw the game by being stubborn after that. b) people ALWAYS try to lynch me around days 2-4, and very often they successfully do so. I don't invest the time or energy I used to back in the day in mafia so I'm a relatively easy target. I however very consistently respond the same way to pressure when I'm town and it's glaringly obvious to anyone who actually bothers reading. I know from experience (I've been through this multiple times) that most likely this is an exercise in futility, but hopefully, one day, there will be a town/town leader who is able to actually recognize the situation for what it is. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 17 2015 06:53 Koshi wrote: Just read palmar is his filter from this post (page 13) till now and tell me he is legit looking for mafia. Or has any hard read on anybody, like a townie who actually figures a game out. Because Palmar got a lot of posts since then, and a lot are trying to figure the game out, but is he really? You have to know that Palmar stopped trolling on page 13. So this is game face Palmar: 1) This list. 2) Case on rayn. 2) into ritoky is a fine lynch. + vote 3) Into rayn is a fine lynch + vote. (But 0 reasons why ritoky is a bad lynch) 4) Into marv + somebody is mafia. (Where is rayn?) 5) marv case 6) Onegu vote 7) prplhz is mafia if marv is mafia. 8) marv is town into prplhz vote 9) Into marv, Eden, rayn and Onegu are mafia. (yes, prplhz is town now) 10) vote for rayn 11) A lot of nothing tbh Ok. Now show me how this is town Palmar? Or show me this is a townie figuring out the game? Sure, townies jump around in early gme, without much to go on. But Palmar goes 180 all the time D3? Show me where he does this as town. It wasn't that newbie he replaced in recently. I don't any other games atm. But maybe marv can help? Or anybody? It's important you show me where he does it as town, and not that he doesn't do it as mafia. Because this behavior (aka having no real reads D3) is in nature mafia. Imperial mafia, it's only 500 pages! you'll enjoy it. I flipped on a ton of people GB scum -> town, marv town -> scum, damdy scum -> town, sl town -> scum -> town | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
w.e Who are we voting atm? | ||
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