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Snickers
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
Oats your thoughts would be useful to get a read on you and to figure out this game. | ||
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Snickers
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Trfel
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On March 09 2015 09:54 Onegu wrote: Yeah, it's time I apologized.@trfel since you are blue, can you come in ive your UPDATED reads and thoughts so we can have more input other than scum snickers yelling about my claim, and rsoultin blaming him for being unproductive. Oats your thoughts would be useful to get a read on you and to figure out this game. I'm sorry, some personal problems have come up recently and I haven't been able to spend anywhere near the amount of time on this game that it deserves. I'll be able to read the thread, but my rereading will be limited, and I won't be anywhere near as up to date as I would like. I feel that Onegu and rsoultin are both very likely to be town. Onegu because of his blue claim. We haven't had a counterclaim yet, and I feel it is extremely likely that town has two blue roles. Mafia claiming where Onegu did feels like suicide. In addition, I liked Onegu saying that he made not obvious saves. (no hard feelings about not saving me, to be honest I was really hoping to die) Therefore, I feel that Onegu should be treated as confirmed town. Rsoultin for reasons previously stated. If rsoultin is mafia, she started pushing Alakaslam extremely early in Day 1, when the only pressure on Alakaslam was Onegu's joke vote. Rsoultin had no reason to do this at all, unless the mafia team made an early decision to bus Alakaslam. Given that the majority of Alakaslam's wagon is towny, this seems extremely unlikely, since if the mafia team made an early decision to bus, ritoky would have been much more committed to it earlier on. And if the mafia team did decide to bus Alakaslam, then rsoultin would not have moved her vote at the last second. So, though rsoultin's play doesn't look particularly good, it looks even worse from a mafia perspective, therefore I am extremely confident in reading rsoultin as town. Snickers has consistently looked suspicious to me. On Day 1, Snickers' play was consistently anti-town. A few of these reasons include constant insults, trolling, and his opening attempt to lynch the banned KelsierSC. This play can only be explained by him trolling, as Robik previously described. However, in this play, Snickers promised key reads in later points in the game, promises which took a very long time to come (if ever). And Snickers posted some things that seemed to make it look like he was seriously playing the game. Based on the massive amount of contradictions and misreading that Snickers displayed, that makes his play seem suspicious. For Day 2, Snickers was much more serious. I note that this coincided with the ending of Office Mafia, which makes sense; Snickers gets more time, and then starts playing more seriously. Then for Day 3, Snickers seems to be very obstructive and constantly getting in the way. One thing I wonder about is that Snickers' play seems to vary based on the level of danger the scum team is in. Snickers started out completely trolling, which makes sense for a scum player in a town atmosphere like this game's Day 1. Then when a mafia player was shot, Snickers started to play more seriously. And now that town loses after two more mislynches, I can see Snickers being more trolling and obstructive again. I could see Snickers going either way. Ritoky is proving really hard for me to read, for reasons previously stated. His actions all seem so bad, but the level of effort he has used seems good. And Alakaslam's early vote in him seems to be a small point in his favor. I am still inclined to think that ritoky is town, but I wouldn't be that surprised if he was town here. I am suspicious of Robik for the early vote on prplhz, describing himself as having done more than he actually has, and seeming to not really care about the game except when he is up for lynch. At the moment, I'm feeling most likely to lynch Robik, Snickers, or MysteryMeat1. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
In your case, you have a strangely long filter for someone whose impact on this game has been minimal at best. I don't know for sure that you're scum, and i'm not going to call you anti-town because that descriptor has been used too often. Instead I will say that your behavior is divisive. You antagonized prp needlessly, focused on the color of a name in voting analysis instead of what the players were trying to bring to the board. I can't tell when you're joking/trolling or not, because if you're not some of the things you've done have been flat-out bad. There is nothing wrong with questioning Onegu. If Onegu is scum, his breadcrumbing was extensive, and the second blue role that we should have has unwisely chosen not to reveal despite his claim. The timing and the creativeness of his chosen saves also all lead to the idea that he is telling the truth, plus his attempts to get this game underway. You're flat-out attacking him for virtually no reason. I doubt anyone is taking his claim 100% seriously, but he is an un-CCd blue and there is no significant reason to doubt the veracity of his claim. You would better spend your energies focusing elsewhere, and yet you refuse. You refuse to give detailed reads. You refuse to say anything more than someone is scum. Essentially you have become a blight on this game, and though I've find some of your comments incisive, they aren't leading anywhere. If you're town you need to help us, but the longer this goes on the more I feel that your chosen focus is specifically to deny information, which comes from a scum mindset. You are convincing me that you're scum more and more. So...meh. | ||
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Snickers
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
You've made too many promises (mostly unfulfilled) to actually bring something worthwhile to the table "tomorrow". You've played and read the game. Bring it now, let me determine if my vote is in a good place or not, but otherwise I will push for your lynch. Robik will have his own problems if he continues as he has, but you're the player that exists in almost every scum world I can think of. Give me a reason that someone is a better lynch. | ||
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Snickers
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Snickers
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Its prty funny that you thought I was town from the Onegu case and now call me scum based on the really bad poe you did. Oats constantly doesnt vote and he lives in Asia. Thats a really good chance he wouldnt be around at lynch deadline. Thats one really obvious mistake of it. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Now. Who is the better lynch? My PoE is suboptimal for sure, but I'm done trying to piece reads together on nothing. You're the one up for lynch. You can do the work for once. Hell, you're probably better at it than me anyway xP I really don't give a shit about your sniping. At least I'm doing something. | ||
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
The 2 scum are in robik, MM and oats. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
what else you got? | ||
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Snickers
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Snickers
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
You're not providing a viable alternative lynch, Snickers. Just dropping names and reminding us that a fake claim is possible isn't convincing me you're town. | ||
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
Becuase when its final 3 and people dont even consider onegu we are fucked. People this game are either a. not that good. or b. fooling me well. Its lylo but then you a two out of three shot most likely. scum will probably not kill trfel. They will prob kill onegu. So if onegu doesnt die thats a heads fucking up. Onegu save should def not go on trfel. MM, oats or robik. | ||
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
9 vt plus one vig and 3 goons seems fair and very plausible. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
TL Mafia typically has 2 power roles in a 13 man setup. Period. Done. Might be bad to assume that's the case here, but it's an assumption I'm willing to make and be wrong on. It's okay to consider everyone suspect, but this is the time to narrow down targets rather than widen the net. Stop trying to sell me paranoia that I already have more than an abundance of. MM, oats, robik. Who is most likely scum of those three, why, and why should I lynch the one you choose over you? I'm not discussing Onegu with you today unless there's a CC. | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
Onegus scum and his claim is BS to onegu is 2% scum to if he isn't NK look at him. We got scum. | ||
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