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On March 09 2015 01:33 Damdred wrote:
Here let me do it for you.
Here is the case of why damdred/captain fail is mafia by damdred so please big shoot me.
Damdred enters the game and starts to town hint using bad reasoning to call people town or in the case of hf he used non reasons that could,make hf town or mafia. Also his town read on tormented is for shifty reasons at that point calling people town for doing nothing at all.
Moving on he's not really putting a ton of his ow thoughts forward a good portion of it could be called following thread sentiment calling soren weird for his initial postings, calling out mocsta out without interacting with him or much followup now calling him town instead of investigating past games to see if he has a history of bussing
Later supposed called himself mafia from a guilty conscious called himself,mafia whoops Scum slip, now he's outed and we can call him on it.
After robik was mod killed instead of hammering him when he was alive he called him town and looked for another person but after robik died tried to pull votes off the God father.
Vig get him.
Anyway now that that's out of the way hopefully I get shot and we can move on to other questions so I can be of some use aftertonight
Just give us your reads so we can work with it
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On March 09 2015 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then be some use. Glowingbear is not mafia. He was way too unsure on who to lynch eod to be scum.
If he was mafia he would have pushed some, and one, town wagon.
+ Show Spoiler +If you're not Mafia, your game analysis in this thread is impressive IMO
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On March 09 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote:
I've given reads that I believe
I was inclined to believe your story. I was inclined to believe that you were working under my perspective.
But you're not talking like a townie. You're not helping us. You're refusing to give information by refusing giving more reads. You are Mafia, unfortunately.
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On March 09 2015 01:48 Holyflare wrote:
Gb so full of crap, he's giving reads?
Yeah?
GB is Mafia for convoluted reasons?
Tormented is Mafia because they played 32 games together yet you tried to start a wagon and he decided he should stay in VE and never commented on Tormented?
Same thing about Soren?
Do you call these reads? I call then bullshit
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On March 09 2015 02:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:On March 09 2015 01:48 Holyflare wrote:
Gb so full of crap, he's giving reads? Yeah? GB is Mafia for convoluted reasons? Tormented is Mafia because they played 32 games together yet you tried to start a wagon and he decided he should stay in VE and never commented on Tormented?Same thing about Soren? Do you call these reads? I call then bullshit This is an extraordinarily good point. If he's so familiar with Tormented's meta, then why didn't he push Tormented yesterday instead of me? Like, he hasn't played 32 games WITH ME I can tell you that for fucking sure, so why was he more sure about me, AND BE WRONG ON TOP OF IT?!?!?
This.
Also, Tormented is an easy target as he is AFK. I don't think a Mafia would be so careless to not park a vote on a townie.
I understand Kelsier didn't vote, but Kelsier is a symptomatic "leaver". Which makes me believe there could be a bus in there. But I'm not going to enter WIFOM territory.
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On March 09 2015 02:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Actually that raises another point though in his defense - people were talking about lynching Tormented yesterday. IF Dam's mafia and Tormented is town, then why DOESN'T he go after Tormented instead of me? No one was really considering lynching me yesterday, and as evidenced by the lynch, going after VE is bad for your health. :/
Same point could be raised regarding your mom and Soren.
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On March 09 2015 02:06 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 02:05 GlowingBear wrote:On March 09 2015 02:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Actually that raises another point though in his defense - people were talking about lynching Tormented yesterday. IF Dam's mafia and Tormented is town, then why DOESN'T he go after Tormented instead of me? No one was really considering lynching me yesterday, and as evidenced by the lynch, going after VE is bad for your health. :/ Same point could be raised regarding your mom and Soren. Maybe, but I'm trying to figure out Damdred right now - and the meta argument doesn't apply, so it's a slightly difference scenario.
VE, let's assume Damdred is Mafia and tormented is town.
Who's his partner?
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On March 09 2015 02:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:On March 09 2015 01:48 Holyflare wrote:
Gb so full of crap, he's giving reads? Yeah? GB is Mafia for convoluted reasons? Tormented is Mafia because they played 32 games together yet you tried to start a wagon and he decided he should stay in VE and never commented on Tormented? Same thing about Soren? Do you call these reads? I call then bullshit I don't know what you're saying. I was just telling you to stop being a dick because he was actually giving reads and you were saying he isn't. Otherwise how do you even make these conclusions if he isn't giving reads?
Vigi is probably shooting him. If he is town, he should come clean with everything he has got from the game, not building a case against himself. Those aren't what I expect from a townie close to be dead.
On the other hand I expect Mafia to not talk much so he can deny information that could be used against his team mates.
Do you see where I'm coming from now?
Also, I can't see where I'm being a dick. If that is so, I'm sorry, wasn't my intention.
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On March 09 2015 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mafia Damdred does never ever heavy townread mafia Tormented at the start of the game.
Mafia damdred cannot flip his initial heavy townread on torment when his posting hasn't notably changed during d1.
Therefore he can't vote for torment on d1 regardless of what happens.
Basically they are never mafia together.
Break this down for me please
I'm dumb
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I think it would be better if vigi shot someone else and cop confirm Damdred is Mafia.
Reason: a shot will instantly give a flip. If the vigi correctly guessed a Mafia, cop can out and say Damdred is Mafia and we win.
In the other hand, if vigi shoots Damdred, cop will have to rely in getting the right target. If he doesn't and Damdred turns out to be VT, he will have to keep his check to himself.
What I'm saying is basically vigi shot is a cop check without a claim.
Does it makes sense or I'm being dumb?
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On March 09 2015 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You end up in a same conclusion anyways if the vigi hits/misses.
The worst thing is if there is doubt on who the vigi shoots and the copp and vigi end up on the same target..
Scenario 1 - vigi shoots randomly and cop checks Damdred:
1.1. Random guy flips Mafia. Damdred returns red. GG.
1.2. Random guy flips Mafia. Damdred returns green. No cop claim = we know Damdred is town without a cop claim, therefore, Mafia is somewhere else and we don't waste our breath on Damdred.
1.3. Random guy flips town. Damdred returns red. I can't foresee if the cop would claim here.
1.4. Random guy flips town. Damdred returns green. I can't foresee if the cop would claim.
Scenario 2 - vigi shoots Damdred and cop checks random guy.
2.1. Damdred flips red. Random returns red. GG
2.2. Damdred flips red. Random returns green. We don't know who the cop checked therefore we don't have any second confirmation
2.3. Damdred flips green. Random returns red. Can't foresee if cop would claim here.
2.4. Damdred flips green. Random returns red. Can't foresee if and cop would claim here.
That's IF vigi shoots tonight. Just have in mind that if you shoot today you have a good chance of killing Mafia AND will be confirmed town day2 by claiming.
Unless town defines who the random guy should be. Then vigi can securely hit Damdred and if the cop gets a green check, he doesn't need to claim day2 and we will know who was green checked.
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Soren was very wishy washy and he voted Kelsier for survivability. He was considering voting Robik before he was mod killed.
I could easily see him in a team with holyflare if Damdred isn't mafia
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But that just makes sense if he is the roleblocker
If he was the Mafia goon, would he bus?
Although the bus on the AFK scum is very likely
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On March 09 2015 04:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 04:24 GlowingBear wrote:
Soren was very wishy washy and he voted Kelsier for survivability. He was considering voting Robik before he was mod killed.
I could easily see him in a team with holyflare if Damdred isn't mafia this is bs because if damdred isn't mafia (he is) then torment is 1000000% mafia for what i pointed out yesterday and you completely ignored
I forget things
Refresh my mind
Funny thing that you are so sure of Damdred being Mafia but ignoring my point on Soren
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Ok, we are working under the scenario that Damdred is Mafia with Kelsier.
Under this scenario, not likely to be Mafia:
VE
Rayn
Me(?)
Holyflare (if they were both Mafia they would stack on tormented)
Likely to be Mafia:
(?) (help me here)
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On March 09 2015 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you mean by stacking on tormented?
They had their godfather being lynched. Why Damdred going against VE and HF going against Tormented?
Why splitting their votes?
HF could just have sheeped Damdred on VE's meta case
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Would Mafia Tormented NOT come at EOD to vote when his partner is getting lunched?
It's too careless.
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I HAD AN IDEA
PLEASE BLUES LISTEN TO ME!!
Vigi: shoot tormented
Cop: check Damdred
Tormented is key to understand Holyflare's alignment. He also has a good shot in being Mafia (HF's points on him are actually good). We also won't be able to get much from him since he is AFK. It's better to have him dead and a possible green checked Damdred alive.
With Tormented alignment discovered, we can understand more of HF's actions in this game. If he flips Mafia and Damdred returns red (which is very plausible) is insta GG. HF and MM1 are the main question marks in the game (if you do not consider Soren tbh).
PLEASE BLUES DO AS I SAY, IT WILL BE JUST A MATTER OF TIME FOR TOWN TO WIN
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On March 09 2015 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Shut up we are shooting mm1.
It's much better shot. Holyflare can be town and wrong. There is pretty much no world where mm1 isnt mafia.
A shot on tormented is way better, you even entered his filter and said he has a good shot on being Mafia
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EPT
