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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On March 06 2015 20:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: No don't give an opinion on the VE thing. I wanna hear VE's opinion first. gonna have dinner watch a movie. im confused. i have to respect your mum wish and give opinion. sorry, it might beat ve. hard to know. i prob reply in say 3 hours. either way.. i actually like that this was your instant reaction. very town-esque. i rescind my vote. | ||
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your mom
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Waiting for GB. ##Unvote | ||
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your mom
262 Posts
On March 06 2015 20:33 Soren333 wrote: jesus christ, I wake up to 10 pages to read Welcome to TL | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
GB does a lot of stupid shit and the reasons for his reads are bad. But he has admitted that he gives people town/mafia reads for less than stellar reasons and so it is not alignment indicative. Of the people who have voted him I don't know how often Soren has played with him but I imagine HF and VE have played more than one game with him. In fact I know that VE has played with GB before in imperial. HF is being very aggressive about the GB lynch . He could do this as mafia but I think it is more likely he is town. VE is my top scum read and here is why. Firstly he made this post On March 06 2015 12:12 VisceraEyes wrote: This is a really good post by rayn and confirms him as town for D1 for me. Any questions? I don't think this is a good enough reason to confirm rayn as town. Like all it does is explain why a read is bad, mafia rayn could easily do this and it feels like a soft reason to kiss rayn's ass. On March 06 2015 13:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Those posts by MM1 are just dripping with mafia. Like, I understand that Holyflare asked him how he's doing, but seriously if he wanted to type paragraphs why wasn't ANY of it about the game? Apparently MM1 is dripping with mafia. ok would be good to get an explanation of it. But then he switches to GB for no reason that I can see, and again I believe that VE can not think the case made by HF is actually good. On March 06 2015 14:29 VisceraEyes wrote: [center]ATTENTION THREAD![center] I am officially switching my vote FROM MM1 TO GlowingBear. Thank you. On March 06 2015 14:30 VisceraEyes wrote: And look! I'm #3 on the wagon! Does anyone want to draw any conclusions as to what that might make my alignment? And then a switch onto GB without an explanation, I don't think he can believe the case from HF is good. This also feels like an overjustification of a switch. Like "LOOK I SWITCHED WHICH IS WHAT MAFIA WOULDN'T DO, PAY ATTENTION" it's like he is trying to get ahead of someone calling him scummy. Robik I have a question for you. When did you decide that GB was town? | ||
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your mom
262 Posts
I also have the impression you aren't really caught up. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On March 06 2015 08:01 captain fail wrote: I'm first and with that power .##vote holyflare Defense thyself On March 06 2015 08:03 captain fail wrote: Why is that interesting. Will you join me on this hf attack force On March 06 2015 08:13 captain fail wrote: Hf is arguably the best player in thread and loves the attention an attack gives. We must vet him However sirens response is bad This whole series really pissed me off because it makes no fucking sense. If you are going to "attack" someone you should actually have a decent reason, you can say this is "applying pressure" but firstly. If he is the best player in the thread he isn't going to reveal anything under this pressure. And also YOU ARE TELLING HIM IT IS JUST PRESSURE which removes the point entirely. He also throws in a line about HF being the best player which feels like a butter up. Then he decides to give a list of town. On March 06 2015 10:05 captain fail wrote: Anyway I'm not damdred. Right now I have Hf Rayn Tormented As town not bad so far again Hf I don't really know how he got a townread and the tormented town read seemed very forced. Then he comes up with this. On March 06 2015 10:27 captain fail wrote: Sure, I like your tone you told people to leave soren alone for a moment instead of s allowing us to pile on him. You are also letting the thread do its thing and give you information instead of forcing the thread where you want it to go. In the games I have played with Hf he is very forcing with his opinion and making town do what he wants rather than sitting back. Again this read doesn't feel genuine at all | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On March 06 2015 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't like that post at all Kelsier. That looks like you just read some posts and didn't think beyond that at all. My reads on VE and CF are both well developed , maybe look at the content of them or ask a question if there is something you don't understand. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On March 06 2015 21:24 your mom wrote: Why so late to the party Kelsier. I also have the impression you aren't really caught up. I'm european. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
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your mom
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You also say GB does a lot of stupid shit and his reasons are bad and cause he admits it he's not scum? I don't see how that's a reason to treat him differently from CF from your PoV. If CF admits his reasoning sucks your case becomes irrelevant? | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On March 06 2015 21:45 your mom wrote: I like some of the stuff you say about CF at first, but how can you tell if it's scummy reasoning and not just townie bad reasoning. The entire case seems built on how bad his reasoning is (the HF staying back = town also let me raise my eyebrows though, he doesn't stay back no matter his alignmet). You also say GB does a lot of stupid shit and his reasons are bad and cause he admits it he's not scum? I don't see how that's a reason to treat him differently from CF from your PoV. If CF admits his reasoning sucks your case becomes irrelevant? I know GB's game, I know he does stupid shit. So does VE and Hf so the read makes no sense to me | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 06 2015 21:38 KelsierSC wrote: My reads on VE and CF are both well developed , maybe look at the content of them or ask a question if there is something you don't understand. A part of your case on VE is that he called my case good and read me town for it, you are calling my case aswell so why would VE be MAFIA for reading me town there? The rest of your case on VE is basically because you do not know why he posts what he does. Hell you even say that in your case multiple times... | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 06 2015 21:39 KelsierSC wrote: To add on to my read on captain fail. The impression I got reading the thread is that the most forceful push here is HF pushing on GB so how CF got a read of hf "sitting back" makes absolutely no sense. cpt fail had that read before HF's push..... are you reading the thread backwards like Palmar sometimes does? | ||
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your mom
262 Posts
On March 06 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote: I know GB's game, I know he does stupid shit. So does VE and Hf so the read makes no sense to me Are you saying you know VE and HF do stupid shit here? Did you read my post to VE? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 06 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently MM1 is dripping with mafia. ok would be good to get an explanation of it. But then he switches to GB for no reason that I can see, and again I believe that VE can not think the case made by HF is actually good. And then a switch onto GB without an explanation, I don't think he can believe the case from HF is good. This also feels like an overjustification of a switch. Like "LOOK I SWITCHED WHICH IS WHAT MAFIA WOULDN'T DO, PAY ATTENTION" it's like he is trying to get ahead of someone calling him scummy. The green parts here are reasonable. The red parts are not given the green parts, why would you ever post the green parts in this post if you actually have a reasonable explanation for those actions? Like what i read from your post here is "you are wondering" why VE does some stuff, but then you come to a conclusion right after. You can't do the both, you either do not know or you do have a conclusion. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
the reason i think this post is mafia motivated is not because of what i said in my last post (or rather what i quoted from Kelsier). The quoted part is okay, the opening for that part is not, because it is "this is why i think VE is mafia" -- as the tells he represent are null (while worth asking about) and in my opinion it is quite clear Kelsier implies what do those points he represent mean regarding VE's alignment (despite what he says in the end). | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On March 06 2015 21:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: A part of your case on VE is that he called my case good and read me town for it, you are calling my case aswell so why would VE be MAFIA for reading me town there? The rest of your case on VE is basically because you do not know why he posts what he does. Hell you even say that in your case multiple times... My case in ve has nothing to do with you. I'm saying he doesn't actually believe the case on Gb . I made that clear I'm sure when i called him mafia | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
... in my opinion it is quite clear Kelsier implies what do those points he represent mean regarding VE's alignment (despite what he says in the end). --> this is supposed to mean imo how the post is worded implies he doesn't just get why VE says the stuff he does despite him "reaching a conclusion in the end". | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 06 2015 22:08 KelsierSC wrote: My case in ve has nothing to do with you. I'm saying he doesn't actually believe the case on Gb . I made that clear I'm sure when i called him mafia Well i am sorry but you just said your case on VE has something to do with me. If you think VE does not believe the case on GB you should give some concrete reasoning that makes you think so because "he just switched his vote for no reasoning" in fact suggests that he DOES believe in the case... | ||
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