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On March 09 2015 05:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 05:30 GlowingBear wrote: I HAD AN IDEA PLEASE BLUES LISTEN TO ME!!
Vigi: shoot tormented Cop: check Damdred
Tormented is key to understand Holyflare's alignment. He also has a good shot in being Mafia (HF's points on him are actually good). We also won't be able to get much from him since he is AFK. It's better to have him dead and a possible green checked Damdred alive.
With Tormented alignment discovered, we can understand more of HF's actions in this game. If he flips Mafia and Damdred returns red (which is very plausible) is insta GG. HF and MM1 are the main question marks in the game (if you do not consider Soren tbh).
PLEASE BLUES DO AS I SAY, IT WILL BE JUST A MATTER OF TIME FOR TOWN TO WIN are you dumb, why would you not just cop check me if you're so unsure about me? Because if tormented ends up mafia you are pretty much conf town, if torment flips town and you are scum you have to do something else than push him.
Cop checking you is only a copcheck on you. Coochecking damdred and shooting torment it's like 1.5 or even 2 cop checks.
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No because i want to believe you are right on torment and i want you to believe that too.
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The first and the second last posts you quoted are really smart.
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Well obviously you could, not sure if yamato would ever care enough as scum. Anyways he can be dealt with later, he is quite easy to read when he just posts because he does, as town. As scum he doesn't. He just loses interest to the game.
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On March 09 2015 06:04 MysteryMeat1 wrote: However I do agree that most of the mafia are going to be on people that aren't on kelsier, however there's probably one mafia on that wagon. How insightful. Do you know how many mafia there are left in this game?
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lol did mm1 just claim scum?
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Like he says "...i have never rolled mafia before on TL." What the hell is the word "before" doing there if he isn't mafia in this game either?
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Jesus hisbreads for not voting for kelsier are bad. I have not played with him. What the fuck? Has he played with soren then?
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Okay i officially declare there is no chance mm1 is toen. Just look at what he says lol.
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Vigi out if you are one of the following ppl: Mm1 Yamato
Otherwise don't bother until lylo or upon being lynched.
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On March 09 2015 07:21 Soren333 wrote: Is captain fail and damdred the same person? Yes. He has been cop checked 95% so he is either town or the game is over so no need to bother.
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On March 09 2015 07:22 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vigi out if you are one of the following ppl: Mm1 Yamato
Otherwise don't bother until lylo or upon being lynched. Rayn I bet HF is the last Mafia. It doesnt matter we can check him and lynch other people. Not gonna lynch a guy who pushed scum on d1-n1.
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As to answer to both GB and YM:
First of all there is no way mafia intentionally no-killed. It was 8-2 at the start of the night. Anyone with any brain and experience sends in a pre-emptive kill just because if they do not and something goes wrong IRL it is not guaranteed they get a kill at all. No kill gives town one more mislynch considering Torment was quite likely to be shot. You are already one down, another one goes too most likely. Then you what? Give town a free mislynch and a cop check? lol.
Torment obviously was not here on N1. That leaves me yamato and Mocsta for other people who were not here, and therefore could be mafia for the no-kill. I am more sure of Mocsta being town on them, while they both voted for mafia (lol) yamato would only be soft-bussing. Mocsta has to know when i am pushing my lynch there is a quite high chance of it getting through. yamato was also one of the Robik voters.
Other people who could possibly be mafia are MM1 and Soren. Just because there was a confusion about the deadline and i do not think any other people than those two would hold on to the last minute in case Torment comes back to discuss their kill (srsly, would you wait for Torment if you were mafia with him? right ^^). Out of those two i think Soren is town for the reasons i have outlined. So MM1 is possible scum here.
I'd say yamato or MM1 is 90% likely mafia. If they both flip town lynch Mocsta. If the game still does not end lynch Soren. Funny thing is we can do this all because we have 3 mislynches. 
Just for caution, i'd still check Holyflare haha ^^
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On March 09 2015 07:58 your mom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 23:32 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2015 23:21 GlowingBear wrote: Boring game.
Tormented, any reads? Soren, updated reads please I will read tormented now. Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 23:44 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2015 23:32 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2015 23:21 GlowingBear wrote: Boring game.
Tormented, any reads? Soren, updated reads please I will read tormented now. yeah, potentially scummy. Hasnt gone out of his way to offer information to the thread i dont know where he stands on items. like.. i cant remember the thread convo, but the comment below about soren seems out of place in a filter dive. On March 06 2015 14:21 Holyflare wrote: why is nobody voting gb? he's obvious mafia at this point in time On March 06 2015 14:23 _Tormented_ wrote: He may very well be, but training anyone at this time unless we are certain they are scum will just limit our information going forward. If he is mafia, do you think that makes soren town for sure? tl;dr if i had to make a point against tormented, it is that his filter feigns real contribution. draws superficial points, and then asks questions back to the thread for others to fill the gap. as evidenced below On March 07 2015 04:16 _Tormented_ wrote: Wow that was a lot.....So basically we are looking at GB and Kelsier mainly?
I still read GB as leaning town, although I would be interested see why he thinks Robik is mafia. Robik has done pretty much nothing so far, so unless it is something meta, I would like to see GB's reasons for this.
Kelsier seemed a bit overly aggressive in his mafia reads on VE and captain fail. Would drawing that much attention to yourself after coming into the thread late be something mafia would do? i suppose its interesting why tormented wants to know about robik as well given: GB is leaning town & Robik has done "nothing" what will GB reasoning illuminate? Show nested quote +On March 08 2015 00:45 Mocsta wrote: lol... i had to type it out and then realied.
he saysing mafia dont want spotlight, hence, you shouldnt be mafia.
yeah, aftger rereading his reponse about hf being town or not... its valid. trying to appease rayn and give out as little as possible.
i can swing this way. happy to vote between kelsier or soren. Here, one of the reasons Moc is mafia, he doesn't consider Torm for lynch. Plus the awful entrance. Plus he tries really hard to mimic town opinion in order to survive. Am i mafia too because i didn't consider Torment for lynch? Mocsta voted Kelsier with me....
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Me h i do not agree that's a good reason to call Mocsta mafia. If there is anything that makes him mafia it's his absence on N1 and a no-kill happening.
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Like i don't get why he calls Tormented mafia if he doesn't wanna bus him but his other partner? Like throw the whole fucking team under the bus at the same time? Do you think Mocsta is this dumb?
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On March 09 2015 08:04 Soren333 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:As to answer to both GB and YM: First of all there is no way mafia intentionally no-killed. It was 8-2 at the start of the night. Anyone with any brain and experience sends in a pre-emptive kill just because if they do not and something goes wrong IRL it is not guaranteed they get a kill at all. No kill gives town one more mislynch considering Torment was quite likely to be shot. You are already one down, another one goes too most likely. Then you what? Give town a free mislynch and a cop check? lol. Torment obviously was not here on N1. That leaves me yamato and Mocsta for other people who were not here, and therefore could be mafia for the no-kill. I am more sure of Mocsta being town on them, while they both voted for mafia (lol) yamato would only be soft-bussing. Mocsta has to know when i am pushing my lynch there is a quite high chance of it getting through. yamato was also one of the Robik voters. Other people who could possibly be mafia are MM1 and Soren. Just because there was a confusion about the deadline and i do not think any other people than those two would hold on to the last minute in case Torment comes back to discuss their kill (srsly, would you wait for Torment if you were mafia with him? right ^^). Out of those two i think Soren is town for the reasons i have outlined. So MM1 is possible scum here. I'd say yamato or MM1 is 90% likely mafia. If they both flip town lynch Mocsta. If the game still does not end lynch Soren. Funny thing is we can do this all because we have 3 mislynches.  Just for caution, i'd still check Holyflare haha ^^ For the record. If I was mafia I would be able to make my own decision on who to kill, rather than to wait for torment to come online to discuss. I do not doubt that more than just a little, i just don't have enough experience with you to make a 100% claim.
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On March 09 2015 08:04 GlowingBear wrote: MM1 was active. Only inactives were Yamato and Mocsta.
I was saying i could see MM1 trying to wait Torment to come back at the last hour of the phase before making a decision, then the deadline just fucked up on him .
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