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I haven't much time at this moment, will be back in 1-2hours though. So to sum up:
Thanks Eden for your case on Yamato. Looking forward to look it in detail tomorrow. I read scum on Yamato most of D1, his "DONT LYNCH WAVE" drama just before Wave flipped town made me change my mind though (acting? could be). Then, it is true that yesterday he pushed Artanis lynch more than any other during last hour, however he didn't gave any own explanations, bussing? could be, never seen one.
Now, to resume my actual ideas:
If I was Vig: I would shoot FF, no doubt. Despite I read Node as scum during early game. FF has made no effort (other than giving a full scan on tormented). He refused to explain his vote on Artanis (not sure if he actually gave any reason) so bussing is more viable here. If he flips town, we lose a lazy town = not a big lose. Could use similar reasoning on SL.
If I was Cop: I would check on Kelser. If he flips town I would still push him tomorrow until i would discard (Godfather option). Why? Because of his spamm when he replaced, because of his lack of answer on some questions, because his lack of explanations on a lie or miss I catched him doing on me "When he said I had said I liked to lynch Snarfs" on late D1/EarlyN1). Because he was pushing for a switch last night. Because I thought he was veteran and someone posted he had 6 games only on his Mafia career. SL>Prob>Shining would be my next targets to check, maybe Yamato to help solving tonights dilema.
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Edit: f I was Vig: I would shoot FF, no doubt. Despite I read Node as town during early game
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Out for dinner. I'll be back and willing to share thinkings with others.
Where is Prob btw?
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On March 02 2015 05:34 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2015 04:57 Tronak wrote:
Out for dinner. I'll be back and willing to share thinkings with others.
Where is Prob btw? Good question. I really need to see more production from him. The more time passes without it the more I start to think he should be scanned
Well he looked town but Prob actually made 3 big errors in only 2 days:
1) Case on Damdred -> he cancelled later.
However if not mistaken Yamato and specially Artanis introduced Tormentors case, while case on Damdred was still open (should check for accurity).
Since Artanis turned mafia, I dont think mafia would introduce 2 different false cases at same time (would they?).
So Prob should be town at this moment.
2) Pushing up your wrong case/wagon on Wave -> not alignment indicative as long Snarfs remains as town in my eyes. But it was a good place to jump in as mafia in the town-town scenary.
3) Afk vote on FF yesterday 20 minutes later of Artanis "I have flu" post. He left a very good case behind before doing this though (could this have been last bullet to save Mafia Artanis?).
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On another topic:
Tbh, with Shining busy almost whole D1, HsT afk and replaced by a trolly Kelser (during some hours), Node afk and replaced by lazy FF, and Artanis AFK preparing a plan while practicing Capoira. Mafia has had very good cover to work slow and plan any bussing, wifom scenaries.
So I "feel" (these are not rational arguments = Kelser you may skip them) 3 things right now:
-At least 1 Mafia must be between the replacements group+Shining.
-Any of my actual towns reads could be mafia. I know this is a damm scummy comment and sorry if this expands my "genuine paranoia" (quoting Artanys again) on you guys, but this is how I feel so the more people participates giving reads and putting up alternative cases, the more chances I am not going to place a vote on them.
-I could buy any good case, so lets put the efforts to bring them on the table tomorrow and lets analize our "scummy" reads in depth.
(I wrote both posts ^^ toguether, posting one after another since not necessary related).
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On March 02 2015 06:17 Fecalfeast wrote:So wait, Tronak, your idea is that I bussed artanis? That's what makes me a good vig shot? Calling me a lazy town even though I put in work? What about the fact that artanis was scumreading me? It would make more sense to call me town for a bullshit reason that looks like TMI when he flips mafia. Or was this also a bus? What a good mafia plan. Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 08:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
KelsierSC - No reason for him to defend me at this point. It's highly unlikely I won't get lynched, plus the effort he's put in this game in general and his unwillingness to go for the easy mislynch makes it extremely unlikely to be scum.
Eden1892 - Has had a terrible day, but he's probably still town for the depth of his analysis on D1.
Tronak - Shenannies from me onto Fecal feels town. I think he genuinely thinks I'm mafia, and he's actively questioning everything to the point of me thinking it's impossible he's thinking up all these things as mafia.
The Shining - Similar reasons to Kelsier, but his lack of conviction in what he's trying might mean that he's simply trying to look good post flip.
Probulous - Has been pretty absent during the day, but the fact that he went for Fecal over me and didn't give in on the easy Artanis train gives him significant credit.
Yamato77 - I still think he's town, maybe? His EoD during D1 had a lot of conviction, but it's flowed away a bit again since then so meh. I also don't understand the evolution of his read on me at all today.
Snarfs - Snarfs is actually completely null to me right now. He seemed eager to actually engage me, is asking a lot of questions and in general his play has been good, but plenty of question marks from the early game still remain.
sicklucker - Has been pretty flipfloppy on me today. Don't know why he thinks I'm mafia.
FecalFeast - Seems more interested in painting everything as scummy than finding out who's actually scummy. For some reason suspects Tormented and me at the same time, then suddenly swaps onto Kelsier who has no chance of flipping. Trying to abdicate responsibility for his votes.
_Tormented_ - My filter should say enough about him.
Sorry for the poor performance, GL town. IDK, I just don't think vig should waste a shot shooting into someone who has NO REAL SCUM CASE ON HIM. Unless someone can show me how prob's case is based on real life and not speculation and assumption, the only reasons for calling me scum I have seen are: "He is lazy" and "I read node as scum" I hate people trying to call the vig's shot.
Artanys NEVER scum read you actively. You are so lazy that in the case you were mafia I'm pretty sure I know better than you which reads your mafia collegue Artanis gave us, and between those was NEVER a scum read on you.
Dont bring me his last post, I can clean my ass tonight with it, before believing most of it and being pretty sure he put some Wifom in there, meaning we throw it in the trash bin, I dont plan to play Artanys game.
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Moreover, wtf... I actually posted ALL Artanys reads yesterday night before EOD. Did you actually missed that too FF?
you want me play Artanys last-post game?
I want you dead tonight, and if not i want you lynched on D3. Clear as water.
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On March 02 2015 06:54 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2015 06:45 Tronak wrote:
Moreover, wtf... I actually posted ALL Artanys reads yesterday night before EOD. Did you actually missed that too FF?
you want me play Artanys last-post game?
I want you dead tonight, and if not i want you lynched on D3. Clear as water. To me you are saying: "I want a town player to die" Do you wonder why I gloss over your posts? You act like a disgruntled schoolteacher
No, I actually I wonder why:
- you refused to read the thread and just jump in filters.
- you chosed to jump in Artanis filter after Snarfs and others filters.
- you chosed to analyze Tormented.
- you voted Artanis.
- you refused to analyze Artanis and give us your feedback.
- you just tried to trick me bringing up Artanis last post.
- you lied while trying to trick me.
Mmm let me correct my self: I dont wonder anymore.
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On March 02 2015 07:07 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2015 07:02 Tronak wrote:On March 02 2015 06:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 02 2015 06:45 Tronak wrote:
Moreover, wtf... I actually posted ALL Artanys reads yesterday night before EOD. Did you actually missed that too FF?
you want me play Artanys last-post game?
I want you dead tonight, and if not i want you lynched on D3. Clear as water. To me you are saying: "I want a town player to die" Do you wonder why I gloss over your posts? You act like a disgruntled schoolteacher No, I actually I wonder why: - you refused to read the thread and just jump in filters. - you chosed to jump in Artanis filter after Snarfs and others filters. - you chosed to analyze Tormented. - you voted Artanis. - you refused to analyze Artanis and give us your feedback. - you just tried to trick me bringing up Artanis last post. - you lied while trying to trick me. Mmm let me correct my self: I dont wonder anymore. -Reading the thread after already reading it from an outsider's persepective is boring. Filters allow me to get reads on people. -Artanis was a topic of discussion at the time -Artanis asked me to, bear in mind at this point he was not confirmed scum. -I got scummy feelings from his filter and was partially sheeping eden -I refused to give you a detailed analysis on his filter as you have been really getting on my nerves this game. I even told you to ask me questions which you did not do. -Explain the trick I pulled as I did not intend to do anything of the sort. -Also explain
-I would have done as replacement.
-I was meaning why didnt you chosed him first since he had 4-5 voted already on him? Instead you wasted your lazy time in other filters.
-So you come into a game. A player has 5 votes on him. He asks you to read Tormented's filter (can you quote that? I cant remember Artanis asking you to do that) and you go and follow it before actually giving an analysis about Artanis.
On March 01 2015 04:06 Tronak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 04:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh you want my read on him now? I haven't dived his filter and have only looked at him in relation to artanis. Let me check.
I actually don't know when deadline is, I will also check that since people in this game see laziness as a scum trait. Have you already dived in Artanis filter?
-Ok so you sheeped (or buss)
"- you just tried to trick me bringing up Artanis last post." What exactly do you want me to explain about this sentence. The trick you pulled was saying that Artanis was reading scummy. Lol, Artanis NEVER read you scummy (here is your lie) until his last post (exactly 2 mins before being lynched). And you quote that post trying us to play Artanis game.
Enough of your bullshit, if you want to make something usefull focus on the cases we got opened at the moment (and if you dont know them go read previous pages instead of bugging me).
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You got 2 hours to show us the other part of you.
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Actually 1+maybe 48h more.
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:O what else can happen in this game?
Can you blues do anything so the game is not influenced by that?
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I gonna lynch FF no matter what, GL Eden
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I'll have to read more for me lynching Yamato though, hope ppl help
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I'm wishing you good luck, you the one certain, I'm not
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gg Snarfs, a pity you didnt leave your lasts reads. Thanks a lot for active teaching me.
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Prob is from Australia (hard for him to active talk with us-as is for me) we should have news from him tomorrow morning since he actually /afked for long now or is hidding on purpose
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Hi Onegu, catch up as fast as you, I'll be looking forward to get ur reads.
My Scums: FF
My scummy: you, SL, Shining, Prob
My townie: the rest atm
Hitting my pillow now, read you guys tomorrow.
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