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Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 26 2015 01:28 GMT
#1227
I'm not going to name one specific person. I've said who I think is mafia. Now I need to spend some time rereading with the knowledge that Wave is town and the knowledge I have on this lynch that the other townies don't because I'm in the best position to help tomorrow.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 26 2015 07:53 GMT
#1232
On February 26 2015 09:23 The Shining wrote:
See, thank you, Kels. This is the 2nd game in a row I've been resigned and detached for whatever reasons. Last game, not 1 but 2 D2 replacements almost took me out of the game. This time, its my late start.

Want to see my help? Let's help, then. I want to see final vote, too, and I'll get through some more filters before I leave work tonight

How's this coming along?
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 26 2015 16:54 GMT
#1261
Tronak, you've said it multiple times, but can you actually explain what you mean when you say you're "learning" from me?
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 26 2015 17:12 GMT
#1263
Started out as Node was on me then Tormented jumped in but didn't really push it. Then Damdred actually pushed it though his reasoning centers around the timing of my case on Node. Yamato was most vocal about it at the end and pulled up some of my old games and was trying to convince Eden et al. Artanis got pretty mad too but he was mostly arguing with me. kelsier seemed like he was just pissed off at me.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 26 2015 17:14 GMT
#1264
Tormented's reasoning was based on my case on Node and the fact that I asked others to comment on it.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 26 2015 17:18 GMT
#1265
On February 27 2015 00:54 KelsierSC wrote:
I think tormented probably replaces SL on your list.

Like in my mind sl mafia would probably vote wave there.
He has a good excuse for himself.

"I called snarf and damdred town early and they are voting wave, "
"ksc is voting snarf and I think he is scum"
" edens case is good and wave did scummy things."

It would be easy for.him.to blend into the wagon rather than stick out as the non voter

I agree with this line of reasoning. I also still think his calling me town for my first post is one of those silly reasons mafia probably wouldn't do.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 26 2015 18:55 GMT
#1296
Sure, but don't forget his big meta read on me.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 26 2015 21:31 GMT
#1323
Kelsier:

On February 26 2015 08:58 Probulous wrote:
Too late for a switch?


On February 26 2015 08:58 Probulous wrote:
Damn you Tronak.

We got scum on this wagon people.


I read this as town realizing too late that it's a lynch between two town. If you're mafia, why do you even bother saying anything at all?

Kelsier wrote:
plus the reason he scum read snarf was because as town he was "insightful and thinks carefully about his post"
but now he thinks snarf is town because he is "active and willing to be wrong"


I also think town is more likely to contradict themselves. Especially in a scenario where he probably could have just jumped on my lynch given the aforementioned scumread.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 27 2015 01:43 GMT
#1415
On February 27 2015 10:24 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 09:54 _Tormented_ wrote:
On February 27 2015 09:50 The Shining wrote:
In other words, if he is your scumread, then by all means push him, but don't let pushing your scumread stop you from hunting other scum.


Like Artanis himself did D1? No, I will continue to push others. Would still like to hear from Node when he gets back. I believe Snarf is town and therefore would like to hear Node's justification for his D1 posts.


Pretty much exactly what I was getting at. Hmph. +1 town point for you.

And ya I had Snarfs as town, too, so I want to see the same.

Speaking of which...you avoided a "mislynch" Snarfs, assuming my read is right. What do you plan to do with this extra day you've been blessed with?

Probably grab some beers with some friends tonight.

I'm going over some of artanis's old games from the TL database and I'm just convincing myself more and more I was right.

Even when he has posting restrictions he has more reads: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462018-twitterverse-mini-mafia?user=Artanis[Xp]

I'm also finding it hard to believe someone who in all these games:

TL Mafia 2 [gg] Town Veteran Survived
TL Mafia 3 Town Vanilla Survived
[GG] Team Liquid Mafia Resurrection Town Vanilla Endgamed
TL Mafia V: The Wrath of KHAAAAAANN Town Vanilla Endgamed Night 5
TL Mafia XXX Town Friendly Neighbor Survived
BC and RoL: Salem Mafia Town Detective Killed Night 3
Dont lose yo village! Town Veteran Killed Night 2
Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia IX Town Vigilante Killed Night 3
Emergency Mini Mafia! Town Vanilla Survived
Fruity Mafia Town Gun Dealer Survived Day 2
British Empire Mini Mafia II Town Vanilla Survived Day 3
TL Mafia LXI Town Vanilla Killed Night 7
TL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die Town 2-shot Vigilante Killed Night 2
Really Small Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 1
Vengeful Mini Mafia! Mafia Vanilla Killed Night 1
Default Suspicions Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 1
Normal Mini Mafia LVI Town Busy Paramedic Killed Night 3
Twitterverse Mini Mafia Town Trendsetter Killed Night 2


was never mislynched would say something like this:
Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If I'm right on both Tormented and Snarfs then all I need to do is to get town to actually listen to me. Have you considered that possibility?


Like, I keep coming up with a far more helpful town artanis than this which makes me feel so good I called him on it day 1.

Anyways, you said you want more than on artanis and I obviously agree that's a good idea. So I'm going to spend some time figuring you out. Spend some time figuring Node out. See if there's anything I missed rereading with Damdred's flip. Maybe update my little voting spreadsheet.

You know, general towny stuff.

##Vote: Artanis[xp]
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 27 2015 01:46 GMT
#1416
Mind you, that figuring Node out kind of depends if he comes back... ever.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 27 2015 01:55 GMT
#1418
On February 27 2015 10:54 sicklucker wrote:
I got roleblocked

5000!
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 27 2015 02:20 GMT
#1424
On February 27 2015 11:06 The Shining wrote:
Light or dark beer? Cheers mate.

Its not hard to figure me out at all. I'll even do it for you. As scum, I'm a lurker and like to sheep as easily and quickly as possible. As town, I have a slow game due to my hatred for D1 and not having learned my way around it. It picks up after voting analysis(which I learned from Damdred ironically) and after players start being inconsistent or not contributive. This is why I am willing to vote Artanis. I just won't do so right away, especially with 3 votes already on him. It won't be me but I'm interested in seeing who, if anyone, will defend him.

I do like those points on Artanis, though meta isn't one of my biggest strengths. As a newbie, have to ask, how do I verify that he was in fact not mislynched in any of those games? In my newbie games here, diving 1 or 2 old games was easy but how do you find all of those?

And welp, there is the possibility Node afks D2 as well and gets modkilled. I only mind that if he flips town.

Have a look at the TL Mafia database: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database

Just do a ctrl+f for anyone you want to see. From what I can tell though, it may not have EVERYthing. For instance, I think it's missing my last game, which was a hydra game. Which now that I think about it explains exactly why it's not under my name haha. (If you care, it was under "WittyHydraName", was town and day1 mislynched for not even really playing the game).
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 27 2015 02:37 GMT
#1427
Well, I'll be here on my phone for awhile on the bus to my buddy's. What would you like to talk about? Anything specific?
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 27 2015 02:43 GMT
#1430
yamato maybe? Do you want to talk about him? We could probably just figure this out right now while no one's bugging us (I get lost sometimes in a lot of chatter until I reread).
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 27 2015 02:44 GMT
#1432
On February 27 2015 11:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
Replacementfeast on the job.

Hi!
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 27 2015 02:46 GMT
#1434
On February 27 2015 11:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 11:44 Snarfs wrote:
On February 27 2015 11:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
Replacementfeast on the job.

Hi!

The first volunteer to have their filter read! Congratulations!

I look forward to your analysis! o7
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 27 2015 03:22 GMT
#1445
On February 27 2015 11:58 The Shining wrote:
No no do me first, it'll take like 5 mins. =l

Yeah Node is now Fecal so I'm null there now.

Snarfs, to answer you, I don't like unflipped association but Artanis's play not only looks suspect on himself but yamato as well. The early interaction looks a little strange, although that could easily be just regular banter instead of "hey let's acknowledge each other early so that can't be used against us" in QT.

What's most interesting to me is his case on Tormented. First game on TL, seems like he could be gunning for low hanging fruit. Recent yamato post though is a one liner. Tormented is town.

Why is Tormented now town?

What else? Without associations?
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 27 2015 07:46 GMT
#1509
On February 27 2015 16:32 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 16:23 The Shining wrote:
I think I'll go ahead and push SL's null read to town, too. Eden is still null, but now only because you seem to really want me to town you, which makes me want to be that much more stringent with my read.

Yamato didn't help my scumread on him one bit, still looking forward to Artanis coming back. Think I could actually go yamato over Artanis if he doesn't change his stance on the game.

i'm just at a loss as to how my innocence is even in question to anyone at this point. my pursuit of your read is entirely intellectual curiosity, i read you town so idgas what your read is on me from the standpoint of figuring out the gamestate

i think yamato is probably not the right lynch today. i don't really get why he's on tilt over sicklucker rn but this isn't a mafia meltdown to me

A) He's town. He's still pissed off that one of his friends was lynched when they town read each other early and thought they'd have a gay ol' time lynching scum for the next couple of days. He promised his buddy he'd protect him from a town mislynch and he failed.
B) He's mafia. His team is doing fine at 8-3 and though people are starting to get suspicious of him, no one has really made a case on him aside from the person who's currently leading votes and currently most likely to be lynched. Maybe it's his mafia partner, maybe it isn't. Either way, he's decided to give up on the game.

I dunno, I vote A. Maybe he's mafia and pissed off his town friend got lynched, but then I feel like he could be all "Ha! Outplayed you buddy ol' pal!"

I'm a little off put by the fact that shining wasn't giving me any reasons that Yamato could be town. /shrug, maybe I made it seem like all I cared about was reasons he could be mafia? But like, call me out on that if I do that? I dunno, shining's analysis didn't make me think s/he was any more likely to be town.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 27 2015 07:55 GMT
#1513
On February 27 2015 15:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
How many people are scum reading yamato I remember him coming up a lot.
Also why was snarfs the other wagon?

Why was you vote on a separate person, SL? Did you think both wagons were town but no one listened?

To answer your first question, up until about the point where things got crazy before the lynch on day 1, I had the following scumming yamato:

Tormented
Tronak
Kelsier
Artanis

I can't remember where I lost track, but it was obviously before artanis' decision that Yamato was town.

I also had the following town reading him if it makes a difference:

Wave
Eden
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 27 2015 07:59 GMT
#1515
On February 27 2015 16:55 Tronak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 15:40 yamato77 wrote:
On February 27 2015 09:07 sicklucker wrote:
I have some night actions to report later

you softed blue

it's terrible

I'm not going to put in more effort than this


Please do not stop efforts, keep it up too. We got 2 towns losses to recover from...

Keep pushing them Tronak. 2 town losses at this point is about 75% of games according to those stats from the beginning so don't feel discouraged.

What do you think of the shining at this point?
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