EPTOn February 26 2015 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
Give it a rest ksc im not mafia and no ones voting me
Give it a rest ksc im not mafia and no ones voting me
Artanis is online now though, so is a perfect time to resolve KSC questions...
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Artanis is online now though, so is a perfect time to resolve KSC questions... | ||
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Reasons: 1) I believe in Eden's case 2) You ignored me when I questioned your supposedly busy first hours 3) You haven't made own reads so far. 4) Last but not least, I don't want to lynch Snarfs despite I am not convinced of his innocence. | ||
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He answered that saying he didnt mean "tunneling" but "voting". Not that this would help though. | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:45 KelsierSC wrote: I wasn't quoting you snarfs. Tronak said he likes the lynch on you, agrees with artanis. yet now he's voting wave. I never said I liked the lynch on Snarf. I have always said I find him interesting as a player to learn from (totally egoist point of view nad not "find a mafia" related i got to admit), thats why i'd save him over Wave. | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:58 Probulous wrote: Damn you Tronak. We got scum on this wagon people. ?? dont expect me to defend my self now... its 1:00am here, I'm tired, and my child will prolly wake me up in 5hours. So now the push starts on me? Sorry you'll have to wait many hours for me to defend. nn (this is not a retreat just a see you later) | ||
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I will explain my line of arguments that drived me to vote for Wave further (having lunch while I read you, and i'll need some quotes). Meanwhile and to complete your analysis, that I just read and find very interesting and better that your "oh look shoot this scum newbie"), why don't you refresh me why did you vote Wave? aren't you as suspicious as me? I mean you look more suspicious to me at this point (before diving in you filter). | ||
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First, I couldnt have imagined I would need to explain these since I posted my reasons with my vote: On February 26 2015 08:39 Tronak wrote: ##Vote WaveofShadow Reasons: 1) I believe in Eden's case 2) You ignored me when I questioned your supposedly busy first hours 3) You haven't made own reads so far. 4) Last but not least, I don't want to lynch Snarfs despite I am not convinced of his innocence. I go 1 by 1: 1) I believed it, was solid to me and I was trusting Eden reasonings so far and liking her pushes (specially in KSC) (not sure what to think at the moment given the results) . 2) Is related to this: On February 25 2015 19:04 Tronak wrote: I am jumping in almost all players filters... this made me stop: <Deleted huge chain of quotes before this one> Guess you did not had time to re-read and clear up your thoughts? I am interested in your opinion. He never answered to me, instead he did this: On February 25 2015 22:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Kelsier I'm not sure what's making you play like this as compared to Guilty but it's weird and off putting, whether or not you're having 'fun.' Just in case I don't get back to things ##vote: tronak 3) no reads = no help for town. 4) I did wanted to save Snarfs as stated several times. Then we got external reasons I didnt mention to not look more noob that I already do: - KSC was pushing for collapsing votes (I quickly found the utility of this but I hadnt a shit good idea where to jump until Prob voted for Wave) It took me about 30 minutes to put all toguether in a balance and decide thinking I was doing a right thing. Sorry I failed. | ||
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On February 26 2015 23:52 KelsierSC wrote: Hmm..tronak I actually like that post. I'll have to check your filter when I get back home to see if it makes sense but you explained your actions pretty well. The thing I dont understand is you made some reply to artanis saying that you thought snarf was scummy. Like .."I alwabt to learn but there is no way he doesn't remember who you pushed" I cant remember exactly. but then you voted on wave so is it just because you liked the case on wave better. Hmm also Yamato and I.wanted to lynch snarf so that gave you pause. You're probably the T town Lol Kelser thanks for 2 things: your town read on me, and not calling me tapas  .Now to your question: Snarfs been scummy and towny several times to me: his openings were scummy, his investigation on Node for me is towny, his silence during must critic yesterday's hours are scummy, his "I am back and I vote Artanis because nothing plusI like these players and read scum on these others" post can be townie or scummy. I found Artanys defense to this post very solid and agreed, completly (Artanys had in facct tunneled tormented and yamato clearly whole game), however Snarfs fast answer made me think townie of him again. Finally, my suspicious on Artanis are still alive (explained in my wall of text posts and will push more next day probably), so Snarfs suspecting on him was usefull for me too, as long he provides enough reasoning behind his cases in the future. Wave had been all I already explained above, for me was a much better target indeed. And on another thing: Kelser last night, you freely pushed me saying I had said I "liked lyching Snarfs" can you admit now either you were wrong or you were being scummy to focus more eyes on me?. | ||
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AFK 30mins, I'll re-read carefully again when I'm back. | ||
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On February 27 2015 01:54 Snarfs wrote: Tronak, you've said it multiple times, but can you actually explain what you mean when you say you're "learning" from me? Yeah sure, I'mean your game is a good source for me to learn to play this game. Warning: the rest of this post is not related to "this" game just on how I progress as a Mafia student so may want to skip. For instance, from you Snarfs I've learnt: - How to open a game and make people talk without being trollish vs other veterans' opening styles I did not like. - That answering all questions thrown to you is good for: (i) make people read you town and (ii) actually help town since you are giving the information someone requested and that may help him and others. - That brief and direct answers can be a good defense when pushed. - Keeping a neutral "tone" helps the rest understanding the real meaning of your arguments. KSC is my favourite new teacher, he has passed from "What a troll" to "I hate this guy" to "He is scum" to "Damm his pushes are continued and interesting" to "wtf how fast can he keep pushing until the very last second of EOD" to "he is very rational after his bad guy mask". | ||
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On February 19 2015 07:58 Blazinghand wrote: This game uses a variable open setup. When the game begins, one of the following setups will be chosen: A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon C) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon D) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon The mafia will be informed as to which setup is chosen, but the town will not! You guys warned already that town shouldnt be talking about "blue" roles. But is there any interest on us to try to investigate which is the actual "setup"? Or that would only help scums to find our roles? | ||
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On February 27 2015 03:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If you could be more specific, I'm feeling very lazy today. You were actually VERY lazy (in terms of helping catching mafia) during the most critic hours of this game so far. | ||
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On February 27 2015 03:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I consistently pushed those that I thought were mafia until the end of the day. I don't believe I've been lazy at that time. Completly untrue: -Long 8hours passed since the moment you stopped writing in thread (assuming you pushed until last minute) -You didnt push Yamato or Tormented at all from the moment you came back up to EOD. -And you didnt push Snarfs at all, you defended from his post, read him scum for his weak accusation on you and you voted him. So you dint push anyone at all during your last 10-11hours of D1 game. | ||
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On February 27 2015 04:05 KelsierSC wrote: I'm sort of considering a team where snarf is town and the mafia isnlike Yamato,probulus and node Game might be simpler and snarf is just mafia but I don't think people would be so eager to call him town and get off that lynch if he was mafia. Plausible and interesting, push your theories further please I could buy this one. I read node as town many times at the start of D1, but he dissapearing suddenly... Would Artanis fit as mafia in this line somehow? | ||
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On February 27 2015 05:42 KelsierSC wrote: I actually think yamato was ok end of day. He did put pressure on snarf from what I can see so I don't know why you guys lied about that. I am lost now, who supposedly lied? | ||
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On February 27 2015 06:31 Snarfs wrote: Kelsier: I read this as town realizing too late that it's a lynch between two town. If you're mafia, why do you even bother saying anything at all? I also think town is more likely to contradict themselves. Especially in a scenario where he probably could have just jumped on my lynch given the aforementioned scumread. On February 26 2015 08:58 Probulous wrote: Too late for a switch? Who would ask this? you switch or not switch, but don't waste your supposed few time in asking if its too late. It was indeed too late to wagon on me, but it wasn't too late maybe for him to abandon his vote on Wave and shoot me. | ||
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On February 27 2015 06:53 Probulous wrote: Trust me I would have.I was thinking and typing at the same time. I thought there might be an option to switch but realised just trying to convince people you were scrum would take too long. Ok but again, it could take too long but you were already convinced at this point, that I was mafia and Wave was innocent and about to lynched. If you are town and being at this point, why the hell you wouldnt ##unvote Wave ##vote tronak? | ||
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On February 27 2015 07:08 Probulous wrote: Where did I say that? Could have been a day 1 bus. Wtf you asked if there was time to switch? why would you ask if you were not thinking Wave was innocent? | ||
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