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Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 25 2015 23:09 GMT
#987
On February 26 2015 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
Give it a rest ksc im not mafia and no ones voting me


Artanis is online now though, so is a perfect time to resolve KSC questions...
LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 25 2015 23:39 GMT
#1055
##Vote WaveofShadow

Reasons:
1) I believe in Eden's case
2) You ignored me when I questioned your supposedly busy first hours
3) You haven't made own reads so far.
4) Last but not least, I don't want to lynch Snarfs despite I am not convinced of his innocence.
LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 25 2015 23:45 GMT
#1070
On February 26 2015 08:40 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 08:04 Tronak wrote:
On February 26 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 26 2015 07:37 Snarfs wrote:
On February 26 2015 07:30 _Tormented_ wrote:
Sigh...that post does seem rather towny. I do agree with your opinion of artanis, but I believe someone posted that he usually does tunnel someone they think is scum. So the fact that he provided very little else to the entire D1 could possibly be explained with that.

I just really dislike that I need to go back and read to figure out who he thinks is scum. If he was tunneling I'm pretty sure I'd know off the top of my head. I think it was yamato?

Okay, I've made up my mind. You're scum.

There's no way you're reading the thread if you don't know who I've been going after all game long.


/agree

I like Snarfs, as said before, he results interesting to exist in my learning curve.

However, is impossible anyone reading half Artanis's post would miss his tunneling on Tormented.

How can you explain that Snarfs?



He answered that saying he didnt mean "tunneling" but "voting". Not that this would help though.
LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 25 2015 23:53 GMT
#1104
On February 26 2015 08:45 KelsierSC wrote:
I wasn't quoting you snarfs.

Tronak said he likes the lynch on you, agrees with artanis.

yet now he's voting wave.



I never said I liked the lynch on Snarf. I have always said I find him interesting as a player to learn from (totally egoist point of view nad not "find a mafia" related i got to admit), thats why i'd save him over Wave.
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Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 26 2015 00:06 GMT
#1163
On February 26 2015 08:58 Probulous wrote:
Damn you Tronak.

We got scum on this wagon people.


?? dont expect me to defend my self now... its 1:00am here, I'm tired, and my child will prolly wake me up in 5hours.

So now the push starts on me? Sorry you'll have to wait many hours for me to defend.

nn (this is not a retreat just a see you later)
LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 26 2015 13:39 GMT
#1237
Probolous you admitted your self, that you were the one pushing Wave's wagon first. And your vote was indeed what made me think "ok i can save Snarfs + someone else is pushing Eden's case (which at this point I was already considering seriously)".

I will explain my line of arguments that drived me to vote for Wave further (having lunch while I read you, and i'll need some quotes). Meanwhile and to complete your analysis, that I just read and find very interesting and better that your "oh look shoot this scum newbie"), why don't you refresh me why did you vote Wave? aren't you as suspicious as me? I mean you look more suspicious to me at this point (before diving in you filter).
LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 26 2015 14:34 GMT
#1238
Ok about why I voted Wave:

First, I couldnt have imagined I would need to explain these since I posted my reasons with my vote:
On February 26 2015 08:39 Tronak wrote:
##Vote WaveofShadow

Reasons:
1) I believe in Eden's case
2) You ignored me when I questioned your supposedly busy first hours
3) You haven't made own reads so far.
4) Last but not least, I don't want to lynch Snarfs despite I am not convinced of his innocence.



I go 1 by 1:
1) I believed it, was solid to me and I was trusting Eden reasonings so far and liking her pushes (specially in KSC) (not sure what to think at the moment given the results) .

2) Is related to this:

On February 25 2015 19:04 Tronak wrote:
I am jumping in almost all players filters... this made me stop:

Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 08:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for reads yamato, my schedule has been particularly brutal as of Monday. I'll try to look at stuff after iris tonight.


Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not going to lie, I have zero clue what is going on in thread right now. I don't know who is a suspect, who looks scummy to whom. This hasn't been a particularly productive day so I'm going to attempt to re-read later tonight to see if I pick up on anything.


<Deleted huge chain of quotes before this one>
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 14:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Meh.
I know I'd never say anything as terrible as 'I don't think you're scum yet' as scum.
Trying to work up the motivation to re-read. I probably should too since I won't be around for deadline.


Guess you did not had time to re-read and clear up your thoughts? I am interested in your opinion.


He never answered to me, instead he did this:

On February 25 2015 22:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kelsier I'm not sure what's making you play like this as compared to Guilty but it's weird and off putting, whether or not you're having 'fun.'

Just in case I don't get back to things

##vote: tronak


3) no reads = no help for town.
4) I did wanted to save Snarfs as stated several times.

Then we got external reasons I didnt mention to not look more noob that I already do:
- KSC was pushing for collapsing votes (I quickly found the utility of this but I hadnt a shit good idea where to jump until Prob voted for Wave)

It took me about 30 minutes to put all toguether in a balance and decide thinking I was doing a right thing. Sorry I failed.
LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 26 2015 15:16 GMT
#1242
On February 26 2015 23:52 KelsierSC wrote:
Hmm..tronak I actually like that post. I'll have to check your filter when I get back home to see if it makes sense but you explained your actions pretty well.

The thing I dont understand is you made some reply to artanis saying that you thought snarf was scummy. Like .."I alwabt to learn but there is no way he doesn't remember who you pushed" I cant remember exactly. but then you voted on wave so is it just because you liked the case on wave better.

Hmm also Yamato and I.wanted to lynch snarf so that gave you pause.

You're probably the T town


Lol Kelser thanks for 2 things: your town read on me, and not calling me tapas .

Now to your question: Snarfs been scummy and towny several times to me: his openings were scummy, his investigation on Node for me is towny, his silence during must critic yesterday's hours are scummy, his "I am back and I vote Artanis because nothing plusI like these players and read scum on these others" post can be townie or scummy. I found Artanys defense to this post very solid and agreed, completly (Artanys had in facct tunneled tormented and yamato clearly whole game), however Snarfs fast answer made me think townie of him again. Finally, my suspicious on Artanis are still alive (explained in my wall of text posts and will push more next day probably), so Snarfs suspecting on him was usefull for me too, as long he provides enough reasoning behind his cases in the future.

Wave had been all I already explained above, for me was a much better target indeed.

And on another thing: Kelser last night, you freely pushed me saying I had said I "liked lyching Snarfs" can you admit now either you were wrong or you were being scummy to focus more eyes on me?.
LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 26 2015 15:34 GMT
#1244
Clap, clap, clap. I just fast readed it and I love the line of the post and graphic conclusion (is this usual in Mafia btw?).

AFK 30mins, I'll re-read carefully again when I'm back.
LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 26 2015 17:48 GMT
#1268
On February 27 2015 01:54 Snarfs wrote:
Tronak, you've said it multiple times, but can you actually explain what you mean when you say you're "learning" from me?


Yeah sure, I'mean your game is a good source for me to learn to play this game.

Warning: the rest of this post is not related to "this" game just on how I progress as a Mafia student so may want to skip.

For instance, from you Snarfs I've learnt:
- How to open a game and make people talk without being trollish vs other veterans' opening styles I did not like.
- That answering all questions thrown to you is good for: (i) make people read you town and (ii) actually help town since you are giving the information someone requested and that may help him and others.
- That brief and direct answers can be a good defense when pushed.
- Keeping a neutral "tone" helps the rest understanding the real meaning of your arguments.

KSC is my favourite new teacher, he has passed from "What a troll" to "I hate this guy" to "He is scum" to "Damm his pushes are continued and interesting" to "wtf how fast can he keep pushing until the very last second of EOD" to "he is very rational after his bad guy mask".


LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 26 2015 17:58 GMT
#1270
Btw...

On February 19 2015 07:58 Blazinghand wrote:
This game uses a variable open setup. When the game begins, one of the following setups will be chosen:

A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
C) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
D) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon

The mafia will be informed as to which setup is chosen, but the town will not!



You guys warned already that town shouldnt be talking about "blue" roles.

But is there any interest on us to try to investigate which is the actual "setup"? Or that would only help scums to find our roles?
LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 26 2015 18:01 GMT
#1272
Ok, clear.
LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 26 2015 18:13 GMT
#1280
On February 27 2015 03:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If you could be more specific, I'm feeling very lazy today.


You were actually VERY lazy (in terms of helping catching mafia) during the most critic hours of this game so far.
LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 26 2015 20:14 GMT
#1307
On February 27 2015 03:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 03:13 Tronak wrote:
On February 27 2015 03:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If you could be more specific, I'm feeling very lazy today.


You were actually VERY lazy (in terms of helping catching mafia) during the most critic hours of this game so far.

I consistently pushed those that I thought were mafia until the end of the day. I don't believe I've been lazy at that time.


Completly untrue:
-Long 8hours passed since the moment you stopped writing in thread (assuming you pushed until last minute)
-You didnt push Yamato or Tormented at all from the moment you came back up to EOD.
-And you didnt push Snarfs at all, you defended from his post, read him scum for his weak accusation on you and you voted him.

So you dint push anyone at all during your last 10-11hours of D1 game.

LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 26 2015 20:21 GMT
#1309
On February 27 2015 04:05 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm sort of considering a team where snarf is town and the mafia isnlike

Yamato,probulus and node

Game might be simpler and snarf is just mafia but I don't think people would be so eager to call him town and get off that lynch if he was mafia.


Plausible and interesting, push your theories further please I could buy this one. I read node as town many times at the start of D1, but he dissapearing suddenly...

Would Artanis fit as mafia in this line somehow?
LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 26 2015 20:58 GMT
#1316
On February 27 2015 05:42 KelsierSC wrote:
I actually think yamato was ok end of day. He did put pressure on snarf from what I can see so I don't know why you guys lied about that.



I am lost now, who supposedly lied?
LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 26 2015 21:24 GMT
#1321
I think exactly the same at this moment
LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 26 2015 21:48 GMT
#1327
On February 27 2015 06:31 Snarfs wrote:
Kelsier:

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 08:58 Probulous wrote:
Too late for a switch?


Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 08:58 Probulous wrote:
Damn you Tronak.

We got scum on this wagon people.


I read this as town realizing too late that it's a lynch between two town. If you're mafia, why do you even bother saying anything at all?

Show nested quote +
Kelsier wrote:
plus the reason he scum read snarf was because as town he was "insightful and thinks carefully about his post"
but now he thinks snarf is town because he is "active and willing to be wrong"


I also think town is more likely to contradict themselves. Especially in a scenario where he probably could have just jumped on my lynch given the aforementioned scumread.


On February 26 2015 08:58 Probulous wrote:
Too late for a switch?


Who would ask this? you switch or not switch, but don't waste your supposed few time in asking if its too late. It was indeed too late to wagon on me, but it wasn't too late maybe for him to abandon his vote on Wave and shoot me.
LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 26 2015 21:58 GMT
#1330
On February 27 2015 06:53 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 06:48 Tronak wrote:
On February 27 2015 06:31 Snarfs wrote:
Kelsier:

On February 26 2015 08:58 Probulous wrote:
Too late for a switch?


On February 26 2015 08:58 Probulous wrote:
Damn you Tronak.

We got scum on this wagon people.


I read this as town realizing too late that it's a lynch between two town. If you're mafia, why do you even bother saying anything at all?

Kelsier wrote:
plus the reason he scum read snarf was because as town he was "insightful and thinks carefully about his post"
but now he thinks snarf is town because he is "active and willing to be wrong"


I also think town is more likely to contradict themselves. Especially in a scenario where he probably could have just jumped on my lynch given the aforementioned scumread.


On February 26 2015 08:58 Probulous wrote:
Too late for a switch?


Who would ask this? you switch or not switch, but don't waste your supposed few time in asking if its too late. It was indeed too late to wagon on me, but it wasn't too late maybe for him to abandon his vote on Wave and shoot me.

Trust me I would have.I was thinking and typing at the same time. I thought there might be an option to switch but realised just trying to convince people you were scrum would take too long.

Ok but again, it could take too long but you were already convinced at this point, that I was mafia and Wave was innocent and about to lynched. If you are town and being at this point, why the hell you wouldnt ##unvote Wave ##vote tronak?
LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 26 2015 22:11 GMT
#1334
On February 27 2015 07:08 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 06:58 Tronak wrote:
On February 27 2015 06:53 Probulous wrote:
On February 27 2015 06:48 Tronak wrote:
On February 27 2015 06:31 Snarfs wrote:
Kelsier:

On February 26 2015 08:58 Probulous wrote:
Too late for a switch?


On February 26 2015 08:58 Probulous wrote:
Damn you Tronak.

We got scum on this wagon people.


I read this as town realizing too late that it's a lynch between two town. If you're mafia, why do you even bother saying anything at all?

Kelsier wrote:
plus the reason he scum read snarf was because as town he was "insightful and thinks carefully about his post"
but now he thinks snarf is town because he is "active and willing to be wrong"


I also think town is more likely to contradict themselves. Especially in a scenario where he probably could have just jumped on my lynch given the aforementioned scumread.


On February 26 2015 08:58 Probulous wrote:
Too late for a switch?


Who would ask this? you switch or not switch, but don't waste your supposed few time in asking if its too late. It was indeed too late to wagon on me, but it wasn't too late maybe for him to abandon his vote on Wave and shoot me.

Trust me I would have.I was thinking and typing at the same time. I thought there might be an option to switch but realised just trying to convince people you were scrum would take too long.

Ok but again, it could take too long but you were already convinced at this point, that I was mafia and Wave was innocent and about to lynched. If you are town and being at this point, why the hell you wouldnt ##unvote Wave ##vote tronak?

Where did I say that? Could have been a day 1 bus.


Wtf you asked if there was time to switch? why would you ask if you were not thinking Wave was innocent?
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