|
On February 23 2015 07:56 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2015 07:28 geript wrote:
Oh yah and VE, keep on being a baddie. You'll never get better. Like why are you being such a dick to me? For real, what the fuck did I even do to you? You're riding that #1 rule fast and loose my friend.
How many times have I sheeped you? Seriously, how many times? How many times have you not listened to my good reads? How many times have you lynched me and ignored everything I've fucking said? And you ask why I'm not treating you with any respect? It's pretty simple VE. You gotta give respect to get it. I've given you respect for a long, long time. I've given it to a bunch of players. You know why Rayn checks me N1 every time he's the cop? Because he has no clue how to read me. No one has a clue how to read me or even what distinguishes my town play from my mafia play. I put a shit ton of effort into this game. A royal shit ton. And you and Rayn and Koshi, townread me all D1. Koshi even sends me this pm:
Original Message From Koshi: You really need to reread if Kurumi didn't keep pushing his idea as town. He just kept trying to proof his theory. If he was mafia and knew he was bullshitting and got smashed back so hard, I don't know if he would have kept trying to proof he was right. Show nested quote +Original Message From geript: Yah i hate the fact that Palmer doesn't replace complete inactives. Original Message From Koshi: I dislike the fact palmar didnt replace onegu. I really hope kurumi comes back. And I hope liancourt keeps playing. Original Message From geript: Any last thoughts before you die or are saved? Original Message From Koshi: Same. Original Message From geript: I believe the claim. But I also know that rayn will claim as any alignment. Like there's a very small possibility that he's mafia doing whatever the fuck he wants. Like it's just that I know that he's a good scum player and can do crazy shit like this as any alignment. I think he's the cop, but meh. Original Message From Koshi: hmm. You don't believe the claim? Original Message From geript: Maybe, but I don't think it's very high. He claimed cop to me. I read him as medic really early on. Idk what it is but I tend to blue read him very easily off of practically nothing. I don't think he's mafia. Like maybe 1-2% chance. Original Message From Koshi:
Do you think there is any chance rayn is mafia.
I AM SERIOUS THIS IS NOT A TRAP.
Where Rayn is clearly not mafia. Or at least it's such a low percentage it doesn't even matter. Yet how often do you guys think I'm a good player and I have good reads and I have good points and yet time after time after time, no one fucking listens to any of the shit I post. Rayn even laughed as he said that I didn't push Slam at all last game. When he got his fucking read on Slam from me and I made really, good points on Slam and he ignored them.
Yes I go bat shit crazy at points. But none of you ever trust any sort of townread on me ever. Especially when I'm actually fucking town. So why in the fuck do you think that should ever, EVER treat you guys as anything but shit. Because you guys constantly think I'm mafia when I'm fucking obviously town. You constant shit all over all of my reads and never sheep a single read. Like I've made points on every single person EXCEPT Onegu/FF this game. Some meta, some not. I've even pointed out half of Koshi's argument (that I'm not doing shit) points towards half the game. Yet you guys ride "ye olde geript train" and don't listen to a single fucking thing I ever spend time to post, or say or talk about or anything. Even when I spent loads of time trying to explain really complicated meta reads. It's fucking SL who's the only person who even bothers to read even part of that shit. And you have the balls to ask me why I'm treating you like a bad player? Really VE? Really?
|
For no reason? Really? For no reason. GTFO with that shit VE.
|
On February 23 2015 08:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well if you have no answer then I have to assume you're doing it to try and appeal to emotion to get me to switch my vote. And it's not going to fucking work geript.
I literally don't even give a fuck if you switch your vote. I don't ever expect you to. I think you can guess why.
|
On February 23 2015 08:56 Koshi wrote:
GRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I don't know.
I don't fucking know.
I am going to remove my vote on geript and seee what happens.
##unvote
##vote LighteningStrike
Where did this guy go to?
Removes his vote from someone he had a townread on D1 to someone else he had a townread on D1 instead of his #2 mafia read. Calls his #1 scumread either mafia or trash. And this is town!Koshi? Really? Really? What happened to your scumread on sicklucker bro? Where'd that shit go?
|
On February 23 2015 08:36 Koshi wrote:
He is calling me mafia while I solo lynched Eden. I made the case, I pushed the case, I made rayn sheep me on TS.
Like...
Imagine me doing that as mafia.
kk
If geript is town he is trash. So in 24h we will know if he is mafia or trash.
None of those are welcome in my town.
So you're not welcome in your town. I agree. Let's lynch you!
|
On February 23 2015 09:08 Koshi wrote:
Magic?
You forgot mystical!!!
|
Vote count:
Koshi (0): Oatsmaster
LightningStrike (1): Kurumi
sicklucker (2): raynpelikoneet, Eden1892, VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, geript, raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, LightningStrike, raynpelikoneet
Eden1892 (4): Koshi, raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, VisceraEyes
Snickers (2): raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, Eden1892, liancourt, raynpelikoneet
VisceraEyes (0): sicklucker, Snickers, Snickers, Snickers
Kurumi (1): geript, geript
Onegu (1): Snickers
How often have you seen mafia lynched in a 13 person game with only 4 votes?
|
Like you show that to any vet and tell them it's a 13 person game and you ask them what Eden flips and not a single one would ever bet it's a mafia flip.
|
Like Rayn switched with 15+ minutes left. There's more than enough time to switch anywhere that's a reasonable lynch likelihood if I'm mafia. I could stay on SL, follow Snickers. Like, that vote count looks really, really suspicious because nothing happened. Like either mafia is mostly AFK in which case I'm very likely right on Kurumi or it was a bus; and the people who gain the most from a bus are SL and Koshi.
|
Like, MAYBE, MAYBE I'm wrong on Koshi. But with a votecount like this and Koshi making these awful arguments and not in any way looking at people who were actually AFK, no thread presence, and off the lynch. Like how in any way can he think like that as town? Like that makes even less sense than him being mafia.
|
Then we get Koshi making a push that's really, really god awful. Like exceptionally god awful, that literally makes zero sense and actually points to me being town. And that's his push? And his second push is on someone else on the wagon. Like that really is fucking fucked in the head. Like I can't in any way wrap my head around that as town.
|
On February 23 2015 09:24 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2015 09:23 geript wrote:
Like Rayn switched with 15+ minutes left. There's more than enough time to switch anywhere that's a reasonable lynch likelihood if I'm mafia. I could stay on SL, follow Snickers. Like, that vote count looks really, really suspicious because nothing happened. Like either mafia is mostly AFK in which case I'm very likely right on Kurumi or it was a bus; and the people who gain the most from a bus are SL and Koshi. Why not VE or LS? I pushed the entire Eden thing ffs.
LS as mafia has huge impetus to put his vote elsewhere because he's being townread and can reasonably put it on both SL and Snickers. Like it's possible he's mafia bussing, but there's far less impetus for him to be voting this way. If he's mafia, then the most likely mafia team is LS, SL and Eden.
VE. Can reasonably stay or push SL a bit harder. Like people like him more than me and listen to him more than me and can make enough of a little push to keep it on SL if he's town.
|
Plus we have Koshi outing a greencheck which is literally the most worthless thing ever. Like there's literally zero point to out a green check in this game.
|
Like if you have 3 green checks, it's maybe ok to out them all as it confirms 2/3 of them as town, but 1 greencheck is literally worthless and 2 is mostly worthless.
|
On February 23 2015 09:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2015 09:31 geript wrote:On February 23 2015 09:24 Koshi wrote:On February 23 2015 09:23 geript wrote:
Like Rayn switched with 15+ minutes left. There's more than enough time to switch anywhere that's a reasonable lynch likelihood if I'm mafia. I could stay on SL, follow Snickers. Like, that vote count looks really, really suspicious because nothing happened. Like either mafia is mostly AFK in which case I'm very likely right on Kurumi or it was a bus; and the people who gain the most from a bus are SL and Koshi. Why not VE or LS? I pushed the entire Eden thing ffs. LS as mafia has huge impetus to put his vote elsewhere because he's being townread and can reasonably put it on both SL and Snickers. Like it's possible he's mafia bussing, but there's far less impetus for him to be voting this way. If he's mafia, then the most likely mafia team is LS, SL and Eden. VE. Can reasonably stay or push SL a bit harder. Like people like him more than me and listen to him more than me and can make enough of a little push to keep it on SL if he's town. But I can just not push Eden like a motherfucker at all and lynch sicklucker with rayn? rayn told me to vote sicklucker, I went on TS and convinced rayn to vote Eden.... Why would I do that?
You're right. Why would anyone ever bus. Because there's literally nothing to be gained from busing ever under any circumstances.
|
On February 23 2015 10:04 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2015 10:02 sicklucker wrote:On February 23 2015 10:00 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 23 2015 09:32 geript wrote:
Plus we have Koshi outing a greencheck which is literally the most worthless thing ever. Like there's literally zero point to out a green check in this game. No there's no point in teh COP outting a green check. Outting it by proxy does us no harm at all. Thats not what he means. They have a godfather I know what he meant. I know they have a Godfather, that doesn't make the Cop useless until D3. It just makes the cop slightly less effective, and makes the "Follow the Cop" thing not viable. It doesn't mean we just ignore everything he gets until we lynch the Godfather and can be SURE the checks are 100% accurate.
No my point is that there's no reason to ever out a single green check. It will 100% skew town's view on the matter regardless. Like there's literally only 1 person who can be redchecked. The role isn't useless but it's highly unlikely to gather any sort of useful information until you have mulitple checks where you can say multiple of these people have to be town. So as a group, their opinions are likely honest. There's not a point because greenchecks make it harder for town to find actual opinions on people.
As for why it has to be koshi. He was lynched with 4 fucking people on his wagon!!!! Not even lynched by 33% of the people in the game. Like that's really, really absurd. I've played for a while and I don't think I've ever seen such a thing happen. Next look at the arguments he's making. I admitted on TS multiple times, multiple times that Koshi's points were reasonable. Quite good even. The difference though is that no one else had really spoken to him. Not you. Not Koshi, Not Rayn. No one. I had more information than any of you and I was wrong. That's not the point though. Who picked out all of this little stuff that no one else did, not you, not rayn, not me. Who else got all those important little things but is now wholly incapable of finding anything that makes me town? Like there's literally no way to ever think I'm mafia in this game. Like it's incomprehensible that I'm being pushed. Like Koshi's meta'd Snickers; he's looked at other people's meta too IIRC. But he's pushed to lynch me without in any way looking at my meta. Without in any way reasonably looking at Kurumi's meta. Without in any way reasonably looking at Kurumi when I'm a good player and have good pushes quite often. Like how does that make sense? Like, this is Koshi's townplay? Really?
|
On February 23 2015 10:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
And geript is still ignoring my very simple questions so I'm still of the opinion that he's mafia making shit up. So my vote stands.
So you're still either god awful or mafia. I don't care. Lynch me.
|
On February 23 2015 10:13 sicklucker wrote:
Yes we should because one of snickers and kurimi is a role and the other is a green check. We dont know who and koshi wont tell us so we cant lynch either
And Koshi's the one who supposedly knows who the cop is. The guy who bussed his partner. You don't think he'd in least help control who gets checked so it's in his favor? You don't think it's odd that Koshi is completely ignoring people who haven't contributed anything pretty much all game like Oats, Kurumi or Liancourt in favor of people who have at worst been semi-active? Like inactivity kills town. KILLS TOWN. And Koshi's most interested in killing people who aren't inactive in any way. Like Koshi's a person who's pointed out that Oats looked okay on D1 but he can still be mafia. He tends to fall off as mafia. He's obviously fallen off. How interested in Koshi in lynching Oats who's fallen off?
|
On February 23 2015 10:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Neither of those are the person Koshi told me was the greencheck. I don't know what you think that means, but there it is. As far as /I/ know, neither of those people should be off the table.
Yet Koshi isn't interested in lynching either. He's not interesting in lynching anyone who hasn't at least tried. He's not interested in lynching people who haven't said anything at all interesting. He's interested in lynching people who have. What does that tell you?
|
On February 23 2015 10:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
geript you never provided any salient points against Kurumi aside from "Operation Failpot" and him going inactive. Like....what is there you think a town Koshi should have listened to? I consider myself a fine player regardless of what you think and I /also/ can see Kurumi being town - but you talk about him like you've made some rock solid case against him that makes you confirmed town. I simply don't see it, and I would REALLY appreciate it if you would stop calling me bad and try and interact with me.
WHAT about the vote logic makes it likely a bus? From my perspective it's the complete opposite. And WHY wasn't it a bus when you were talking about it earlier if it was so obviously a bus?
Am I supposed to recognize it's a bus before the lynch? How am I supposed to see that mafia will be lynched with only 4 votes? How am I supposed to know that Koshi will switch targets to try and lynch active/semi-active players while wholly ignoring inactives and any points against them? Like Koshi's told you something else than he told the thread. He essentially said in thread IIRC that Kurumi was greenchecked. Like look at Koshi's targets. The only "ok" target he's pushed today is SL who's maybe mafia. IDK. I have no clue how to read him and he does stupid shit as mafia and is even worse as town. Look at the targets he's wholly ignoring. Like he's completely skipping over likely mafia all over the place.
Yes I did VE. I made great points on IRC, I think you were there, about Kurumi's meta. I've made great points about how Kurumi literally made a push that was designed to go no where. Like it's a push that proves nothing whatsoever. He doesn't in any way try to find anything from it. On top of that, it's a push that literally can prove nothing. How can Town!Kurumi think he's found 2 mafia AND THEN WHEN HE COMES BACK HE COMPLETELY DROPS IT AFTER BOTH YOU AND LS HAVE STATED THAT NEITHER OF YOU HAVE HIT UP THAT QT FROM MORE THAN 1 DEVICE. Like if he thought I could be mafia there, then he should be more suspicious of you and LS because neither of you have any sort of excuse for the extra unique view. Like WTF???
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
